Cricket season- Cricket Thread. England v India

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1950`spoolfan

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With the new Baz Ball McCullum, Stokes way it will be fascinating to see how well it can work against a very good Indian team.

I still find it hard to adjust from the approach of win the toss 9 times out of 10 bat and on tenth time think about it and still bat but times and tactics move on .Lets hope the wicket doesn`t deteriorate too much by the fourth innings.
 
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1950`spoolfan said:
But not down that time!!!
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England have dropped 11 catches in the last 4 tests apparently, I suspect Crawley was responsible for 4 or 5 of them. I get that most catches are dropped in the slips but he does seem to drop more than his fair share. When dropped catches are costing your team more runs than you score with the bat, questions have got to be asked.
 
NewburyOne said:
England have dropped 11 catches in the last 4 tests apparently, I suspect Crawley was responsible for 4 or 5 of them. I get that most catches are dropped in the slips but he does seem to drop more than his fair share. When dropped catches are costing your team more runs than you score with the bat, questions have got to be asked.
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That`s all true but apparently the current policy is to pick them and then stick with them.Crawley has certainly dropped one or two but has caught a fair few and Root has dropped even more I think.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
That`s all true but apparently the current policy is to pick them and then stick with them.Crawley has certainly dropped one or two but has caught a fair few and Root has dropped even more I think.
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True, but Root scores a few more with the bat and is at 1st slip, probably the most difficult of all the slip positions.
 
NewburyOne said:
True, but Root scores a few more with the bat and is at 1st slip, probably the most difficult of all the slip positions.
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I wasn`t actually suggesting dropping Root just discussing relative slip catching merits.

I do worry about Crawley`s merits as a batsman with only averaging about 30 in first class cricket but selectors can afford to be a bit more patient when the team is winning.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
I wasn`t actually suggesting dropping Root just discussing relative slip catching merits.

I do worry about Crawley`s merits as a batsman with only averaging about 30 in first class cricket but selectors can afford to be a bit more patient when the team is winning.
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Crawley is a very lucky boy to be given another chance, he was abysmal against NZ and has barely scored any runs for England recently. Dropped catches happen but he just doesn't look like a test player to me.
 
NewburyOne said:
Crawley is a very lucky boy to be given another chance, he was abysmal against NZ and has barely scored any runs for England recently. Dropped catches happen but he just doesn't look like a test player to me.
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Think I heard on TMS that Crawley has been told he's in for a while.
 
Enjoying the day here at Edgbaston. England's morning, India's afternoon. Pant is box office.
 
Taken Jimmy's record away. At least one member of the England Team has something to be pleased about.
Pretty stupid bowling they are tailenders for a reason, so pitch it up.
 
That over from Broad was pretty embarrassing. 🤬

Anyway in reply Alex Lees goes for 6 England 16/1 rain stopped play. 🙄
 
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NewburyOne said:
If Crawley gets another game for England, I'll be furious. The lad just isn't good enough, it's the same form of dismissal everytime.
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In all summer apparently.

A frustrating day. England need a quickfire 300 from Bairstow. He'll do that, won't he?
 
Time for McCullum to put his arm around Crawley and tell him to drop back in to County cricket and gain his confidence back, I'm not sure what his Test average is this summer but I imagine it won't be even be double figures.

Time to give Harry Brook his shot, in great form and his time his now.
 
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Time for McCullum to put his arm around Crawley and tell him to drop back in to County cricket and gain his confidence back, I'm not sure what his Test average is this summer but I imagine it won't be even be double figures.

Time to give Harry Brook his shot, in great form and his time his now.
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I'd give Brook a chance too as he seems to be a genuine top quality player . . reminds me of Root but maybe even more potential.

The problem is he's a middle order player and not sure you can throw him into the test arena as an opener? Before the tests started I'd have picked him before Bairstow but after a couple of amazing knocks Bairstow has redeemed himself and rightly so has cemented his place.

Lees, Crawley and Pope still remain dodgy but not sure where we should go?

The problem we have is that no other county opener is currently throwing their hat into the ring . . . maybe Ben Compton but like many other before him runs in the county game means nothing. Hameed, Burns, Lyth, Jennings all score runs in domestic red ball cricket but couldn't make the step up to test opener.

As has been the case for a good few years the top 3 batting slots is a big problem.
 
We seem to be able to find the odd bowler with hint of something about him. When it comes to batsmen, we only seem to have sporty boys from the usual public schools who've been coached to a certain level but lack what it takes to go further than county or hit and giggle. You can't blame someone for not being quite good enough but it's a bit frustrating to say the least.
 
I understand the need/desire to be aggressive when batting but surely there’s a balance to be struck. Stokes scoring 40 in 40 isn’t as useful as him scoring 150 in 400.
 
Stokes finally caught after being dropped twice. 🙄

Bairstow is fast emerging as our best batsman in years.
 
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Very interesting lunchtime discussion about the comparison between the way Stokes and Bairstow are currently batting and batting in general.
 
You get the impression that Stokes is not currently playing the ball on its merits but desperate to prove the new all out attack policy has to be practised no matter what, as todays innings well illustrated. He has proved before he was made captain that that is not always the best way. I think he is an extremely talented instinctive very positive cricketer but not always the most intelligent.

Bairstow is an extremely talented stroke maker who is in the form of his life and just seems to be permanently in the Zone at the moment seeing the ball like a football. Long may it last.

They sometimes say great batters seem to have more time to play the ball and I think especially when in the zone their eyes and brain actually process the information in front of them a little quicker and thus they do in fact appear to have a fraction more time to make the right decision for each ball faced.
 
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I see we had the inevitable England collapse after Bairstow got out.

That last wicket catch clearly bounces off the ground for me yet he’s given out, shocking decision. 😮🤬
 
TangerineTed said:
Looks like you can catch a ball after it bounces now…
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I see we had the inevitable England collapse after Bairstow got out.

That last wicket catch clearly bounces off the ground for me yet he’s given out, shocking decision. 😮🤬
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It has been shown many times that TV recordings trying to determine whether a low catch has been taken, ie has the ball has hit the ground or whether in fact there are actually fingers under the ball, are often very misleading as the fingers under the ball are often hidden so as the ball appears to bounce up slightly it has often come up off the hidden fingers, not off the turf.
 
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1950`spoolfan said:
It has been shown many times that TV recordings trying to determine whether a low catch has been taken or the ball has hit the ground or whether in fact there are actually fingers under the ball are often very misleading as the fingers under the ball are often hidden.
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Seen it several times now on slow motion reply and I’am still convinced it bounced up off the ground first.
I’am not even sure he cleanly caught it either, after juggling with it in the air rolled over and turned his back to the camera yet when he turned around he had it in his hands.
I thought if there was any doubt at all in cricket you always favoured the batsman. 🤔
 
It hit the floor the cheating bastard

Even another 30 or so runs would have been massive in this situation

Who said cheats don't prosper
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Seen it several times now on slow motion reply and I’am still convinced it bounced up off the ground first.
I’am not even sure he cleanly caught it either, after juggling with it in the air rolled over and turned his back to the camera yet when he turned around he had it in his hands.
I thought if there was any doubt at all in cricket you always favoured the batsman. 🤔
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But if it is referred to the third umpire when the soft signal on the pitch is out as it was this time then the third umpire will only overturn that decision if there is very certain evidence that the soft signal is wrong and both commentators said that was not the case on this occasion.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
But if it is referred to the third umpire when the soft signal on the pitch is out as it was this time then the third umpire will only overturn that decision if there is very certain evidence that the soft signal is wrong and both commentators said that was not the case on this occasion.
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I fully understand the rules I’am just saying they got this one wrong in my opinion, the only one who will know for sure was the catcher and we all know he’ll say he caught it.
 
I don't wanna see that prick Kohli send someone off with a kiss again. Absolute bellend. Not even in the top 20 best batsman currently.
 
We're still brittle as fuck in the top order, we've tried lots of players in the past couple of years and none of them have shown the application to be a test batsman, without Root and Stokes we'd be absolute garbage.
 
With some variable bounce and some turn I can`t help repeating what I said at the very start of this thread, that it was a mistake not to bat first having won the toss. Let`s hope I`m wrong. We`ll soon find out.
 
2 more dropped catches today, albeit both were difficult. Chasing down 350+, on this wicket, against thus India attack seems extremely unlikely. Hopefully we can grab these last 3 wickets and give ourselves a glimmer.
 
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