Critchley haters

BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’d be interested to see the thread tbh.

I was waxing lyrical about Dembele before he’d kicked a ball. However I wasn’t so complimentary in the immediate aftermath of the Derby game.
Click to expand...
I call bullshit tbh. I'm not doing the research, the fact two individuals recall the same thing says all you need to know.
 
gjr said:
Probably not long after he signed, people were writing that he is a winger where does he fit in.
We obviously weren't moving away from a back 3 and he's no wingback so you play him behind a front 2. Obvious. As I'm sure it was to Critchley when he signed him, he just had to be bold enough to put it into practice.
Click to expand...
I think Critchley brought him in specifically to use in the way he is.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think Critchley brought him in specifically to use in the way he is.
Click to expand...
He must've done, he dabbled initially with him playing a bit deeper off Rhodes, but that didn't work for either of them against Derby or Bolton, now he's playing Dembele behind a front 2 it looks good.
But like you say I think he always intended to play him in a number 10 role.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Me, actually. I said we should play him there and build the team around him.

Some random clueless bellend on AVFTT called me out on it...and said it was a stupid idea to build a team around a kid.
Click to expand...
Just a quick question do any other teams in the country build their team around one player if they do i would like to know who and which player it is because that doesn't happen in my opinion? its not about one player its having the team playing the way they are set out to play and each player having their own jobs to do whether in defence or in attack.
 
gjr said:
He must've done, he dabbled initially with him playing a bit deeper off Rhodes, but that didn't work for either of them against Derby or Bolton, now he's playing Dembele behind a front 2 it looks good.
But like you say I think he always intended to play him in a number 10 role.
Click to expand...
Critchley literally referenced Dembele "having an eye for finding pockets" in his opening interview about the player 🙄
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Critchley literally referenced Dembele "having an eye for finding pockets" in his opening interview about the player 🙄
Click to expand...
I'm not sure if we agreeing or not but I think Critchley always intended to play Dembele as a 10, he thought that might work with Rhodes as a lone 9 it doesn't and won't. Although it might work with Joseph as the 9.
Well done to Critchley for bringing Dembele to the club he is effective and a joy to watch, even better when deployed correctly as he has been recently.
 
BFCfan33 said:
Just a quick question do any other teams in the country build their team around one player if they do i would like to know who and which player it is because that doesn't happen in my opinion? its not about one player its having the team playing the way they are set out to play and each player having their own jobs to do whether in defence or in attack.
Click to expand...
Spurs did with Kane.
 
fcblackpool said:
My problem with Critchley has always been his in-game management. I think pretty much 100% agree he's a very competent coach and yesterday as Ronan might have penned: He did it best when he did nothing at all.

Same winning team.

Tuesday is now an absolute must win. Not in terms of points, but for the confidence and following up on taking a huge opportunity which they did with such style. Don't undo all the good work.

So NC takes huge credit, but it's making the right decisions week in week out that will decide where the team finish. And to that end I still want that exp No 2 in there. Do that and automatic is not beyond the squad.
Click to expand...
MUST WIN alert - capitals courtesy of JOHNMAJORTOM
 
SeasideKurt said:
I call bullshit tbh. I'm not doing the research, the fact two individuals recall the same thing says all you need to know.
Click to expand...

I did manage to find you mentioning that Critchley should build a Team around Dembele, but I can't seem to find the bit where I discuss that with you. We did certainly have a long winded debate about CJ?

Interestingly, I'm not quite sure you were extolling the virtues of Dembele behind the front two as you so boldly claimed though Kurt...Perhaps your memory isn't quite what you thought it was 😉

SeasideKurt said:
Saturday was unacceptable. Lincoln was unacceptable. And he played the EXACT same way at both games.

The formation isn't working and hasn't worked. I really don't care about Wigan, they were just crap that day.

IF and that is IF he persists with this formation then he has to put players who are comfortable in positions. Husband at left wing back. Lyons at right wing back. Dembele plays close to Rhodes. Simple as that.
Click to expand...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I did manage to find you mentioning that Critchley should build a Team around Dembele, but I can't seem to find the bit where I discuss that with you. We did certainly have a long winded debate about CJ?

Interestingly, I'm not quite sure you were extolling the virtues of Dembele behind the front two as you so boldly claimed though Kurt...Perhaps your memory isn't quite what you thought it was 😉
Click to expand...

You've even admitted it, I'd just quit while I was behind to be honest if I was you.
 
BFCfan33 said:
Just a quick question do any other teams in the country build their team around one player if they do i would like to know who and which player it is because that doesn't happen in my opinion? its not about one player its having the team playing the way they are set out to play and each player having their own jobs to do whether in defence or in attack.
Click to expand...
Lots of teams do, Peterborough over the years have around Clarke Harris. We have previously around Bowler. We did around Hoolahan. We did around Charlie Adam. I could probably go on, generally when you have a player who is so far ahead of the quality in your team and others you play against you build your team around them.

Liverpool did with Gerrard for around 10 years.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gjr
SeasideKurt said:
You've even admitted it, I'd just quit while I was behind to be honest if I was you.
Click to expand...
I haven't admitted anything, I said that I don't think we should build a team around Dembele.... That's not to say that I don't think he's a key player for us.

I take it you acknowledge the fact that you were actually promoting Dembele as a Strike partner for Jordan Rhodes as opposed to where Critchley brought him in to play?
 
SeasideKurt said:
Lots of teams do, Peterborough over the years have around Clarke Harris. We have previously around Bowler. We did around Hoolahan. We did around Charlie Adam. I could probably go on, generally when you have a player who is so far ahead of the quality in your team and others you play against you build your team around them.

Liverpool did with Gerrard for around 10 years.
Click to expand...
Dembele is currently on loan, so the idea of 'building a team around him' in the same context as a Gerrard or a Charlie Adam, seems to be slightly OTT for me. The kind of players you mention are Captain types and tend to orchestrate the whole tempo of a game ... I'm not sure that Dembele is quite as fundamental to us... The idea of building Norburn around Dembele seems a but of an odd concept in my book.

That doesn't mean he's not a fantastic player and obviously he's becoming a very important assett, especially in terms of how we break teams down etc... But he's not that kind of player IMHO. I'm also not sure we built a team around Josh Bowler ... I do think we sought to make the most of JB's ability.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Lots of teams do, Peterborough over the years have around Clarke Harris. We have previously around Bowler. We did around Hoolahan. We did around Charlie Adam. I could probably go on, generally when you have a player who is so far ahead of the quality in your team and others you play against you build your team around them.

Liverpool did with Gerrard for around 10 years.
Click to expand...
i think you could teach me a few things about the way football is played, all players quoted are superb players but sorry in my opinion no team is built around one person
 
20togo said:
sorry, i meant to say Dave Whelan. Now that would confuse you. Yet you somehow think you're not the clueless one.
Click to expand...
When you say Dave Whelan who is that i have had that quoted before?, clueless in certain things in life maybe but football is certainly not one of them
 
BFCfan33 said:
i think you could teach me a few things about the way football is played, all players quoted are superb players but sorry in my opinion no team is built around one person
Click to expand...
I guess you've never watched football then. Or understand what the term "Build a team around a player" means.
 
Last two games Dembele hasn’t really played in the hole behind. In most cases he’s inside right of a front 3, who drops into the 10 if CJ goes into a wide right position.

Quite ballsy by Critch as mostly we are lining up 3-4-3

Bees is doing it a little bit on the left side too (it’s definitely not a front 2 as Bees and Rhodes aren’t stood close) when Dale motors into the LW position but it’s more noticeable with Dembele. Also when Connolly came on in both games, CJ has moved to RF with Connolly at RWB when Dembele goes off.

A subtle change in the formation that a before was a 3-5-2 and it’s working much much better.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I guess you've never watched football then. Or understand what the term "Build a team around a player" means.
Click to expand...
What does it mean Kurt?

And can we just clarify that "Dembele plays close to Rhodes. Simple as that." doesn't actually mean "Dembele should play behind the front two" are two quite different things whilst we're at it 😂

Once a Liar!!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What does it mean Kurt?

And can we just clarify that "Dembele plays close to Rhodes. Simple as that." doesn't actually mean "Dembele should play behind the front two" are two quite different things whilst we're at it 😂

Once a Liar!!
Click to expand...
The more you talk, the longer the paragraphs you write, the less you actually say. You can't lie about something you've already told me I said! You really are thick aren't you?

It's already been cleared up what I mentioned prior to it happening, Critch knew that was his best position anyway.

Neil should be applauded for being brave this weekend, he's got a challenge to keep the performances at that level.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What does it mean Kurt?

And can we just clarify that "Dembele plays close to Rhodes. Simple as that." doesn't actually mean "Dembele should play behind the front two" are two quite different things whilst we're at it 😂

Once a Liar!!
Click to expand...
Also, if you don't know what it means. It doesn't matter, it's not something I expect you to understand. You prove time and time again football isn't your thing. Getting pissed and talking utter shite is.
 
SeasideKurt said:
The more you talk, the longer the paragraphs you write, the less you actually say. You can't lie about something you've already told me I said! You really are thick aren't you?

It's already been cleared up what I mentioned prior to it happening, Critch knew that was his best position anyway.

Neil should be applauded for being brave this weekend, he's got a challenge to keep the performances at that level.
Click to expand...
You said

SeasideKurt said:
Me, actually. I said we should play him there and build the team around him.

Some random clueless bellend on AVFTT called me out on it...and said it was a stupid idea to build a team around a kid.
Click to expand...

SeasideKurt said:
Yes, I did say it.

And YOU called me ridiculous for even thinking we should build a team around him.
Click to expand...
Yet You didn’t say it at all did you !!

What you actually said was that Dembele should play up front close to Rhodes (So you lied).

And I didn’t have the debate / discussion with you about Dembele either… So you lied about that too !!

I am having the discussion about Dembele now though… and so instead of trotting out meaningless cliches… Let’s have a proper meaningful discussion..

What specifically do you mean when you talk about “Building a Team around” Dembele??
 
Chunkylad said:
Last two games Dembele hasn’t really played in the hole behind. In most cases he’s inside right of a front 3, who drops into the 10 if CJ goes into a wide right position.

Quite ballsy by Critch as mostly we are lining up 3-4-3

Bees is doing it a little bit on the left side too (it’s definitely not a front 2 as Bees and Rhodes aren’t stood close) when Dale motors into the LW position but it’s more noticeable with Dembele. Also when Connolly came on in both games, CJ has moved to RF with Connolly at RWB when Dembele goes off.

A subtle change in the formation that a before was a 3-5-2 and it’s working much much better.
Click to expand...
Yep agree with this 💯.

You don’t see Dembele roaming on the left he sticks to the right channel and centrally and makes CJ look so much better. It’s a 3-4-3 and with two wingers as wing-backs it’s very attacking.

Long may it continue because if we play remotely well we’ll just blow teams away.

Even more so when Kyle Joseph eventually takes Beesley’s role 👌🏼
 
BFCfan33 said:
When you say Dave Whelan who is that i have had that quoted before?, clueless in certain things in life maybe but football is certainly not one of them
Click to expand...
Dave Whelan is the former owner of Wigan Athletic, JJB Sports & DW Fitness etc..Played for Blackburn Rovers late 1950’s and famously broke his leg in the 1960 FA Cup Final 👍
 
Adams Kebab said:
Yep agree with this 💯.

You don’t see Dembele roaming on the left he sticks to the right channel and centrally and makes CJ look so much better. It’s a 3-4-3 and with two wingers as wing-backs it’s very attacking.

Long may it continue because if we play remotely well we’ll just blow teams away.

Even more so when Kyle Joseph eventually takes Beesley’s role 👌🏼
Click to expand...
Has he not always done that to a greater extent though? (At least when he’s not kind of making up the 2)..

When he came on vs Oxford he was predominantly on the right ?
 
NC isn’t building a team around any player. Like any manager, he’ll be looking for a system that works and where different squad players can fulfil the same role if needed, without any significant impact on team performance. Injuries and suspensions mean it’s daft to build a team around an individual. What you might have, are players in the squad that best deliver in certain positions, if fit & available.

As for whether NC always intended to play Dembele in his current role, I’m not convinced. I think the injury to Norburn and some below par performances by others sort of forced his hand.
 
Chunkylad said:
Last two games Dembele hasn’t really played in the hole behind. In most cases he’s inside right of a front 3, who drops into the 10 if CJ goes into a wide right position.

Quite ballsy by Critch as mostly we are lining up 3-4-3

Bees is doing it a little bit on the left side too (it’s definitely not a front 2 as Bees and Rhodes aren’t stood close) when Dale motors into the LW position but it’s more noticeable with Dembele. Also when Connolly came on in both games, CJ has moved to RF with Connolly at RWB when Dembele goes off.

A subtle change in the formation that a before was a 3-5-2 and it’s working much much better.
Click to expand...
Interesting and there's probably an element of fluidity anyway. Dembele will find the space.

I'd be interested to know the patterns of play, although they won't reveal them for obvious reasons.

There's also relationships being built on the pitch, knowing what people do and building understanding.

But with that style and quality of player up top, when on it we're hard to stop.

A lot of football intelligence, skill, pace etc up top.
 
JJpool said:
Interesting and there's probably an element of fluidity anyway. Dembele will find the space.

I'd be interested to know the patterns of play, although they won't reveal them for obvious reasons.

There's also relationships being built on the pitch, knowing what people do and building understanding.

But with that style and quality of player up top, when on it we're hard to stop.

A lot of football intelligence, skill, pace etc up top.
Click to expand...
You play Dembo the mids have to turn and face him. They did that. Carey was a 9/10 at doing that. Dale too looking forward.

I think, even with the Shrews game, that's the first time I've seen us turn and say it's about us.
 
fcblackpool said:
You play Dembo the mids have to turn and face him. They did that. Carey was a 9/10 at doing that. Dale too looking forward.

I think, even with the Shrews game, that's the first time I've seen us turn and say it's about us.
Click to expand...
We're playing with more confidence and purpose, let's see how we do in the run if games coming up.

Sides with quality closer to Shrewsbury than Portsmouth. Doesn't always mean it'll be easy but if we play to our levels in this passing style...
 
Dembele is given a free role when we are on the ball, got his jobs to do when we are defending
 
BFCfan33 said:
you sound like you know alot about the game maybe you could tell me where you played and what position you played because i might have watched you play
Click to expand...
but you just told me you'd forgotten more than i will ever know about the game. Make your mind up.
 
BFCfan33 said:
i have, but just answer the question asked simple as that
Click to expand...
Have you any evidence to prove that or is it just the opinion of some-one pretty new on here trying to create an impression? And let's face it you hadn't a clue about Dave Whelan. 😉 Oh and I think it was contrary mary who pulled you up over there is no correlation between the level of football you played at and how much you know about it?
 
20togo said:
Have you any evidence to prove that or is it just the opinion of some-one pretty new on here trying to create an impression? And let's face it you hadn't a clue about Dave Whelan. 😉 Oh and I think it was contrary mary who pulled you up over there is no correlation between the level of football you played at and how much you know about it?
Click to expand...
you haven't answered the question so i take you have never played, lets just say i played for the club everyone on here talks about, i joined this site to see what people have to say about the team and club and maybe meet some nice people, i cant help it if i put things over in a way that people dont like
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top