Critchley

Seaseaseasider said:
Shut up.

You never answered my question because you know that it will either make you look like a fool for saying it makes him a bad manager or that you've actually found yourself agreeing with me, but don't want to backtrack.

Of course I care. But that doesn't mean Critchley is a bad manager as some have used the game to try to show, therefore overplaying it. You either don't understand that or you just don't want to admit that you've made a fool of yourself.
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no, as I said there were more than two options. You just want to only have two because it suits you in order that you can justify your criticism of those who you think are "overplaying" it? Now come on admit that you are lying when you said many of our players were given a longer summer off. I asked you to name those players and you've yet to come up with a single name. Why is that? Not me that's the fool!

Let's look at it like this. You think people are "overplaying" it. Others don't. That is all a matter of OPINION. On the other hand you've made a direct statement of FACT that many players were given a longer summer off but you've not been able to name one uninjured player to back up and prove that claim.
 
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20togo said:
no, as I said there were more than two options. You just want to only have two because it suits you in order that you can justify your criticism of those who you think are "overplaying" it? Now come on admit that you are lying when you said many of our players were given a longer summer off. I asked you to name those players and you've yet to come up with a single name. Why is that? Not me that's the fool!
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I can tell you one that's had a longer summer this season.
Kenny Dougall.
He was already in Australia when we played Norwich which led me to speculate that he won't be with us next season.
 
Insider said:
I can tell you one that's had a longer summer this season.
Kenny Dougall.
He was already in Australia when we played Norwich which led me to speculate that he won't be with us next season.
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What relevance is that to Critchley and last summer? But thanks for the info.
 
20togo said:
no, as I said there were more than two options. You just want to only have two because it suits you in order that you can justify your criticism of those who you think are "overplaying" it? Now come on admit that you are lying when you said many of our players were given a longer summer off. I asked you to name those players and you've yet to come up with a single name. Why is that? Not me that's the fool!
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Bowler.

"He’s played so many minutes and so many games this season, he’s been running on empty so you can see from the players not here today the decisions we made and we still felt this team was going to be the right team to pick and unfortunately that’s my responsibility and today it wasn’t.”

Thorniley, Madine and Kirk were also left out. Yep, you're the fool.
 
Seaseaseasider said:
Bowler.

"He’s played so many minutes and so many games this season, he’s been running on empty so you can see from the players not here today the decisions we made and we still felt this team was going to be the right team to pick and unfortunately that’s my responsibility and today it wasn’t.”

Thorniley, Madine and Kirk were also left out. Yep, you're the fool.
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so he admits he got it wrong. thanks. So criticism was justified and it wasn't overplayed then. Thanks again.Bowler hadn't played for the last few games and whether that was because of a possible forthcoming transfer or something else which others have alluded to I've no idea. But it's you who is still the fool. Are you suggesting those players you name, some who might have been injured, didn't have to turn up for training in the week before the game? If so show me the evidence. Or in other words your idea of a longer summer pretty much amounts to one extra day off. Some long summer eh! 🤡

You also stated the reason they were given time off was of because of two long gruelling seasons. Tell me how many games Kirk played in that gruelling season? Madine was injured for a large part of the season too, so hardly gruelling for him either. Even Thorniley was behind Ekpiteta and Keogh for a place in the ream, Yep, you're making things up.
 
20togo said:
so he admits he got it wrong. thanks. So criticism was justified and it wasn't overplayed then. Thanks again.Bowler hadn't played for the last few games and whether that was because of a possible forthcoming transfer or something else which others have alluded to I've no idea. But it's you who is still the fool. Are you suggesting those players you name, some who might have been injured, didn't have to turn up for training in the week before the game? If so show me the evidence. Or in other words your idea of a longer summer pretty much amounts to one extra day off. Some long summer eh! 🤡
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I've given you what you wanted and you still can't admit you're wrong. Wow!
 
Seaseaseasider said:
I've given you what you wanted and you still can't admit you're wrong. Wow!
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I've added an extra para to show you are talking utter nonsense. Charlie Kirk 9 appearances for us, some probably as sub. Yep, he'll have been knackered after that gruelling season and needed a longer summer off.
 
20togo said:
I've added an extra para to show you are talking utter nonsense. Charlie Kirk 9 appearances for us, some probably as sub. Yep, he'll have been knackered after that gruelling season and needed a longer summer off.
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You've completely deviated from my original point that the Peterborough game was overplayed.

Why? Because it has been overplayed. You can only argue against that if you think those that have used the game as an example of Critchley being a bad manager are right.

If not, then you agree that I was correct and it has been overplayed, end of.
 
Seaseaseasider said:
You've completely deviated from my original point that the Peterborough game was overplayed.

Why? Because it has been overplayed. You can only argue against that if you think those that have used the game as an example of Critchley being a bad manager are right.

If not, then you agree that I was correct and it has been overplayed, end of.
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nope, stop with this nonsense. You said there were only two options. No there wasn't. People felt strongly about what happened at Peterboro. You'd have known that if you were there. And fans are entitled to hold it against him for that. That's not overplaying it. And I haven't deviated from anything. Go and read my first reply to you on the subject. You've resorted to making things up as evidenced by me quoting Kirks stats. One of "many" players eh! Like I said, it's only your OPINION that some are "overplaying" it.
 
20togo said:
nope, stop with this nonsense. You said there were only two options. No there wasn't. People felt strongly about what happened at Peterboro. You'd have known that if you were there. And fans are entitled to hold it against him for that. That's not overplaying it. And I haven't deviated from anything. Go and read my first reply to you on the subject. You've resorted to making things up as evidenced by me quoting Kirks stats. One of "many" players eh! Like I said, it's only your OPINION that some are "overplaying" it.
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You stop! I said it's been overplayed because people are using that game to argue he was crap or declining. That's absolutely garbage.

I agree that it was disappointing and not the right thing to do, however those who have argued the above have overplayed it.

What can't you understand about that? Thought you were a somewhat reasonable poster, turns out that you can't understand something as simple as that, or you're just holding onto the rest comment because you said it wasn't overplayed when I've shown it clearly has been. Give it up.
 
Insider said:
I can tell you one that's had a longer summer this season.
Kenny Dougall.
He was already in Australia when we played Norwich which led me to speculate that he won't be with us next season.
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When he booked the flight on Sunday, it was his birthday it may have been arranged before the Queen died and before the fixture was
moved because of the coronation from Saturday. Dougall didn't play much for Dobbie, but neither did Connolly. Maybe the club wanted
to rest these two players so that they are injury free for next season or to sell them in the summer. Trybull also didn't get any playing time,
not even 10 minutes at the end of the game, which was a bit strange.
 
Seaseaseasider said:
You stop! I said it's been overplayed because people are using that game to argue he was crap or declining. That's absolutely garbage.

I agree that it was disappointing and not the right thing to do, however those who have argued the above have overplayed it.

What can't you understand about that? Thought you were a somewhat reasonable poster, turns out that you can't understand something as simple as that, or you're just holding onto the rest comment because you said it wasn't overplayed when I've shown it clearly has been. Give it up.
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it's only your opinion that it's been overplayed though isn't it? Others are entitled to their opinions. Anyway, i've made my point pretty clear so I'm likely to be out. I haven't got involved in the debate about who our next manager is gonna be because I will support whoever it is. Be that Critchley, Wellens,Dobbie or whoever else may be under consideration..
 
20togo said:
it's only your opinion that it's been overplayed though isn't it? Others are entitled to their opinions. Anyway, i've made my point pretty clear so I'm likely to be out. I haven't got involved in the debate about who our next manager is gonna be because I will support whoever it is. Be that Critchley, Wellens,Dobbie or whoever else may be under consideration..
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Of course it is. But, I think Critchley was clearly not crap for us.

The same for me. I actually hope it is Dobbie, but if it does end up being Critchley then I guess we will all have to come together and support him.
 
This is my take on Critchley based on the games that I saw Millwall away Blackburn Rovers at home and Bournemouth at home. In my opinion the team were well organized very fit and it seemed to me the lads ran their socks off in each game. At Millwall Connelly got sent off in the first 10 minutes and had Lavery put away a couple of half chances we could and should have won. Against Rovers Keshi was on fire and Moore made a fantastic save late in the game. I thought the team was excellent and on that day team coach and crowd were absolutely together. Against Bournemouth we were by far the better side but lost our in the last five minutes because we had injuries and were knackered. Bearing in mind that this was a group of mainly League 1 players I thought that Critchley was the best coach I had seen in the 58 years I have watched Blackpool. I was sick at the way he left and he would have deserved some stich had he kept his job at QPR. I understand fans feelings over his departure but on balance I would give him the benefit of the doubt. But I only saw a handful of games.
 
Tangerine Manc said:
As long he gets funds He did once he can do it again
I also think he left due being told no funds which was proven correct
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How would he have, spent these funds when he, already has 28 players?
They were his signings so if he, wanted to sign even players he should have been careful dishing out contracts.
 
BlackpoolFC said:
Judas ??? FFS
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People going too far. I was disappointed in Critchley for not releasing a statement. I think it was a very poor call and was quite a shock because he always came across as a decent guy who would do the decent thing. I think if he had, then 99% on here would be begging for him to return.

However, he didn't and things have been going wrong for us ever since he left which has annoyed fans even more. It does though, highlight what a good job he did in the first place.
 
clappers said:
The overall sense is that there is no excitement around the expected return of “Critch” and that the fans are split pretty much 50/50 as to either being content with it or apprehensive/totally against it.

That’s a better starting point than Appleton had.
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I really think if he starts well and does some positive interviews the 50 that are against it will start to change their tune
 
Seaseaseasider said:
People going too far. I was disappointed in Critchley for not releasing a statement. I think it was a very poor call and was quite a shock because he always came across as a decent guy who would do the decent thing. I think if he had, then 99% on here would be begging for him to return.

However, he didn't and things have been going wrong for us ever since he left which has annoyed fans even more. It does though, highlight what a good job he did in the first place.
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Except that, he bailed when he knew there was very little money available. Yes he at least doubled his income, no one can blame him for that, but he knew he was dropping us in the doodoo and didn’t care. If he did it once who’s to say he wouldn’t do it again , we all know contracts these days aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. It’s a 100% no from me.
 
Albert Ross said:
Except that, he bailed when he knew there was very little money available. Yes he at least doubled his income, no one can blame him for that, but he knew he was dropping us in the doodoo and didn’t care. If he did it once who’s to say he wouldn’t do it again , we all know contracts these days aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. It’s a 100% no from me.
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I'm not sure how true that is, I imagine that he would always have been aware of the kind of budgets he could work with as he'd had them for the past two years?

Either way, that wouldn't exactly be his fault would it?

Contracts don't mean anything like you say, and it was only a matter of time before someone else came in for him. I just imagined it would have been a top Championship club. The club just gets more compensation if he is on a long contract. That is how football works though. You do well enough, you'll earn your move up the pyramid. That's the case for both players and staff.
 
I’m pro a Critchley return. Not convinced the fan base would be divided based on the fact not all 9/10,000 supporters post on here. Critchley built solid foundations for Blackpool to become an established Championship side. His departure was disappointing and the catalyst for last season’s demise. In terms of coaching ability and pedigree, I think you would have to say it would be a good appointment. And, given his demise last season, he would come back with a point to prove.
 
Anyone would have moved on if offered 4 times his salary (or whatever it was), and that won't change with the new guy if we do well. The thing with NC is that it's less likely after his recent failures, and maybe he's learned from it?

Maybe could do with the advice not to fust pump at the North after a home win.
 
Seaseaseasider said:
I'm not sure how true that is, I imagine that he would always have been aware of the kind of budgets he could work with as he'd had them for the past two years?

Either way, that wouldn't exactly be his fault would it?

Contracts don't mean anything like you say, and it was only a matter of time before someone else came in for him. I just imagined it would have been a top Championship club. The club just gets more compensation if he is on a long contract. That is how football works though. You do well enough, you'll earn your move up the pyramid. That's the case for both players and staff.
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It is and as you say the longer the contract and the bigger the club they move to the higher the compensation. However, the compo wouldn’t make up for the £7 million or so relegation cost us. Although his budget was limited initially, it was one of the biggest in league one, so he had a decent amount to spend. We took a lot of teams by surprise when we arrived in the Championship and got a good amount of points on the board. We were found out towards the end of the season, hence our poor performance and results. Critchley had a good idea of our predicament in season two and buggered off. Good riddance, mind the door doesn’t hit you in the arse on the way out.
 
Lee65 said:
Anyone would have moved on if offered 4 times his salary (or whatever it was), and that won't change with the new guy if we do well. The thing with NC is that it's less likely after his recent failures, and maybe he's learned from it?

Maybe could do with the advice not to fust pump at the North after a home win.
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So you’re saying if he continues in the same vein as his, as you say recent failures, we are stuck with him for however long his contract is, or we peddle him and cost us more in compo for yet another managerial change.
 
Albert Ross said:
So you’re saying if he continues in the same vein as his, as you say recent failures, we are stuck with him for however long his contract is, or we peddle him and cost us more in compo for yet another managerial change.
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Good point, but Hopefully not.
I meant that anyone would move on If offered higher wages. We're stuck with anyone's compo if they fail and we decide to get rid.

My assumption is that he won't continue in the same vein as you say.
 
Lee65 said:
Good point, but Hopefully not.
I meant that anyone would move on If offered higher wages. We're stuck with anyone's compo if they fail and we decide to get rid.

My assumption is that he won't continue in the same vein as you say.
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I put in an earlier post, anyone with any sense would move for a much higher salary. It the way he did it, and I don’t mean not waving goodbye. He dropped us in it and certainly contributed to our relegation.
 
Tangerine Tractor said:
I'm in two minds on this.
But realistically, how he left is irrelevant. Most people, however much they loved their job, would move to double their salary. And you don't have to justify why you're leaving to your previous employer, workmates or customers.
Critchley made mistakes. He got too emotionally involved with the fans, and he got stale. The drop-off at the end of the season, when we were safe and after two intense seasons, was alarming but understandable.
Whoever's decision it was for him not to make a statement was wrong. But it doesn't change anything really. People change, people make mistakes, people learn from them.
If Critchley returns, we HAVE to back him, or what's the point of supporting the team? It's not like he's a convicted criminal or wife beater.
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But will he be able to return as an 'opposition beater'? And, is it just me, but would he be able to manage without CC - or his equivalent - being there to hold his hand? Cos the difference Caulderwood made following his arrival was huge. And I really don't know why but I don't really recall him receiving any recognition at the end of our promotion season, and nor has there ever really been any paid since. I know he's now having some key input into the success currently being enjoyed by newly promoted Northampton Town, but it's like he's now taken on the mantle of the forgotten man at BFC, almost as though it has become something of a taboo to even mention his name. I mean, I'm all for moving on, but why the rewriting of history?
 
So lets take stock.
What do we know?
Not a lot.
We have a statement from the custodian back in March saying the next Manager will be a "Critchley type" or words to that affect.
We had a list of candidates before Badlan left.
I was told we had had talks with at least one person on that list and he was deemed unsuitable. He wasnt someone I'd ever heard of.
The process has been ongoing for at least 2 months now.
What we don't know.
Obviously who it is but I firmly believe we have identified the person we want?
So why the delay?
We might not have agreed terms?
We might want a mega annoucement involving the Director of Football which is Downes and its now being held up until The Tykes beat The Wendies.
This could just be a load of bollux.
 
TangerineWizard7 said:
I’m pro a Critchley return. Not convinced the fan base would be divided based on the fact not all 9/10,000 supporters post on here. Critchley built solid foundations for Blackpool to become an established Championship side. His departure was disappointing and the catalyst for last season’s demise. In terms of coaching ability and pedigree, I think you would have to say it would be a good appointment. And, given his demise last season, he would come back with a point to prove.
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No, his departure wasn't so much disappointing; given the way events have panned out since he chose to 'do one', the word I would use would be 'cataclismic'. Although he can't possibly have known the full repercussions of his actions at the time, it wouldn't have taken a total genious to work out there would be serious ructions for the club in the aftermath of his 'switch of allegiance', and of course this is precisely what transpired - like Critchley honestly really gives a ----.
Forgive and forget? Yeah - right... For those fans still holding to that sentiment, I've just got two words: utterly spineless.
 
tarantula said:
No, his departure wasn't so much disappointing; given the way events have panned out since he chose to 'do one', the word I would use would be 'cataclismic'. Although he can't possibly have known the full repercussions of his actions at the time, it wouldn't have taken a total genious to work out there would be serious ructions for the club in the aftermath of his 'switch of allegiance', and of course this is precisely what transpired - like Critchley honestly really gives a ----.
Forgive and forget? Yeah - right... For those fans still holding to that sentiment, I've just got two words: utterly spineless.
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And yes, I know I've undergone a major shift in attitude since last posting on this subject. But I offer no apology for that. I have been very much swayed by how this whole debate has continued to play out on this site, and I'm now feeling a little more enlightened on the subject than I was previously. I simply HAD to have a change of heart once I'd formed a more accurate picture of what has been going on in various settings and behind the scenes.
 
tarantula said:
No, his departure wasn't so much disappointing; given the way events have panned out since he chose to 'do one', the word I would use would be 'cataclismic'. Although he can't possibly have known the full repercussions of his actions at the time, it wouldn't have taken a total genious to work out there would be serious ructions for the club in the aftermath of his 'switch of allegiance', and of course this is precisely what transpired - like Critchley honestly really gives a ----.
Forgive and forget? Yeah - right... For those fans still holding to that sentiment, I've just got two words: utterly spineless.
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Football is full of self interest, from clubs ripping up contracts to players refusing to turn up to training - it goes both ways. Ultimately I just want us to be on the winning side, it doesn’t matter if we pick a manager that left us for another club and didn’t apologies, I care about results and progress.

In my opinion the bitterness against Critch is going to negatively impact the club, chop off your nose to spit your face springs to mind.

Critch is by far the best manager we’ve had in the last decade, if we have an opportunity to bring him back in we should…but only as long as the fans stick together and support him!
 
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