Don’t Pay (energy bills) UK Group.

I don't think there has ever been a 'political" thread on here with agreement across the board like this one. For those still thinking it will work out OK, how far would it have to rise before you got upset? £4000, £5000, £10000? The not fit for purpose OFGEM have forgotten they are there to protect customers, they seem to think they are there to protect energy businesses. The Government seem to have their fingers in their ears singing La la la la la.
 
Lefties were very hot for war earlier in the year. Less so now. Interesting times.
 
Lala said:
I can see there being a swift lean back towards office based work rather than home working thats for sure. People won’t be able to afford to keep the heating on at home all day mid winter without it costing an absolute fortune.

Other than that I don’t think I’d risk not paying my bill for fear of being cut off and I’m not sure if I’m a natural born rioter 😏

I do think the situation needs addresing and I don‘t think short term bungs from the government to help with bills are the answer.

I don’t know who or what has control over the price capping of energy bills but can that be revisited, as it’s the cause of the biggest cost of living issue we have ?
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The Government are wringing their hands, but of course, its fully within their power to have Ofgem set the cap at 0%, like the French have.

The obvious answer is that the energy companies are big donors so their interests trump any discomfort to the general public, most of whom didn't vote for them.
 
Wizaard said:
??? The war mongers on here were all of the RWNJ persuasion.
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Not this time, deffo the lefties equating Putin with Hitler and talking about appeasement never working (not saying that's wrong btw). Just an observation I made at the time. I don't think the right particularly cares about Ukraine. The land of Adidas tracksuits and roll neck jumpers.
 
Today's Times has a poll saying 3 out of 4 Tory voters prefer Labour's energy plans.

The tide is turning.
 
Lala said:
Yes, she isn‘t saying much that appeases the average working man and woman 😳
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I think what is interesting is what is the 'average person's view' (if such a thing exists) may have shifted somewhat.

I think politicians at the moment on both sides are resorting to previous orthodoxies as it's their comfort zone but not necessarily looking at the circumstances.

I feel a bit like the political discourse is mostly out of step with people in general.
 
Levi501 said:
At last a movement that is advocating non payment of energy bills from October 1st. It’s in its embryonic stage at the moment, but surely whatever ones views political wise, enough is enough. We’re having the piss took now, it’s time for a Poll Tax type revolt, I’m not advocating violence, but we need to take direct action. Thames Water introducing hosepipe bans, when %25 of the water goes down the drain due to leaks whilst the top guy takes £2 million plus in ’handouts’ it’s a ** disgrace!
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Too bloody right.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
My monthly payments have gone up to £750
Yes there’s six of us but jeez
And this is b4 the next two rises 🤣
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Don’t you just think it’s a bit like: think of a number and don’t forget to make it a big one!
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
E-on just announced profits of £3.5 billion for the first quarter of this year.
Clearly taking the piss, no doubt others will announce similar if not bigger profits any time soon.
The fat Cats just get fatter.
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Sadly, they are my fat (bastards - oops) cats.
 
My best advice is pay as you will never beat them and just end up in Court and have a poor credit rating. It’s really not worth it. If you can’t pay fully negotiate with them.

Or plan B go to France hop on a Dingy through away your phone and passport and live in a hotel for the winter. With free food, health and dental care. Simple
 
Wizaard said:
Today's Times has a poll saying 3 out of 4 Tory voters prefer Labour's energy plans.

The tide is turning.
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Problem is Labour aren't in power and may not be for another couple of years or so. So in the meantime, what? Not a dig just a genuine question.
 
20togo said:
Problem is Labour aren't in power and may not be for another couple of years or so. So in the meantime, what? Not a dig just a genuine question.
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The Tories need to stop their self interest and do something. The current plans are not enough, but their core constituency can afford it and the key donors are benefitting from it. As such, nothing will happen. The current vacuum of responsibility created by Boris won't change with the election of Truss to PM. She is absolutely clueless.

Yet people will still vote for them in two years time, falling for some election bribe and a mention of Corbyn. I genuinely despair.

There is nothing to stop Tories bringing in the Labour plan which would help enormously, but they won't.
 
What about all the pay as you go type meter owners, which is generally the type on the breadline… They can’t just not pay can they..?
 
Stony Hill said:
All the utilities are the same: incompetently run but all ruled by ‘Sheriff’s of Nottingham’.
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Trouble is all the smaller utility companies who offered better deals and were a real threat to the big conglomerates have now gone bust leaving them to run the industry like a cartel. I suspect in the future there will be far less choice. Might as well be nationalised.
 
traffordtang said:
Trouble is all the smaller utility companies who offered better deals and were a real threat to the big conglomerates have now gone bust leaving them to run the industry like a cartel. I suspect in the future there will be far less choice. Might as well be nationalised.
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You’re right about the big “bosses” squeezing out their competition. I can almost see them sitting round the table:
“Well done lads. Plan A accomplished.”
”Plan B: hands up for price rises. I’m thinking of buying Monaco.”
 
Wizaard said:
Today's Times has a poll saying 3 out of 4 Tory voters prefer Labour's energy plans.

The tide is turning.
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I was lucky enough (or possibly astute enough) to fix my gas/electric last September for 3 years. The fix is about 2/3 of current cap so I am not going to be impacted by the cap rises.

The current Tory plan is to still give me a £400 rebate on my bill. The Starmer proposal will, quite rightly, give no benefit to myself but will help all those affected by the potential cap increases.

The current Tory plan will also give my mother-in-law an additional £650 as she is on Pension Credit and an additional £150 for DLA - she is in a care home so is not impacted by energy price increases. The Starmer proposal will also, quite rightly, give no benefit to my mother-in-law.

Can't believe we are the only ones who will benefit from the current Tory scheme who are not affected.

We will be passing on those benefits to members of our family who are struggling to pay their energy bills.
 
Don't always agree with Starmer but his description of the Zombie Government running our country is bob on.
With Truss in number 10 we'll get another 2 years in limbo, even if gas and leccy bills go to £10k a year the majority will still vote Tory like turkeys voting for Christmas.
It's bloody depressing.
 
Just a heads up for anyone interested. I've been following up on stuff this week that I started a couple of weeks ago and had asked the energy company for an updated bill which I've now got from them albeit reluctantly. They only review twice a year. I've been refunded nearly 800 eventually and seen my DD drop by 130pm. I did have to tell them that I was fed with lending them money.

Check your bills very closely and who knows? You may get a pleasant surprise

They are definitely using the uncertainty to capitalise on customers ignorance and frankly should be run out of town for it.
 
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fcblackpool said:
Just a heads up for anyone interested. I've been following up on stuff this week that I started a couple of weeks ago and had asked the energy company for an updated bill which I've now got from them albeit reluctantly. They only review twice a year. I've been refunded nearly 800 eventually and seen my DD drop by 130pm. I did have to tell them that I was fed with lending them money.

Check your bills very closely and who knows? You may get a pleasant surprise

They are definitely using the uncertainty to capitalise on customers ignorance and frankly should be run out of town for it.
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Totally agree. The current price hikes have been through a time when gas and electric useage will have been a lot lower due to the season, and people will already be cutting back on usage through fear.
Good work Founts, definitely worth doing 👌
 
20togo said:
Problem is Labour aren't in power and may not be for another couple of years or so. So in the meantime, what? Not a dig just a genuine question.
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It's a valid one.

I cannot see how the economy doesn't tank if the 6k price cap that's rumoured today is an actual thing. That's a) going to make so many people reliant on some kind of hand out and b) going to decimate the cash in the pockets of many of the rest...

Pubs, restaurants, satellite tv, beauty salons etc etc. Anything you can think of that isn't a bare necessity is going to be squeezed like hell, whilst also having to pay their own rates.

Which in turn creates more issues as people are laid off and businesses go under.

I don't get why it's not a bigger deal.
 
This price cap is going to cripple people,I use way more than the average so mine could be £700 a month after Xmas, it will of trebled in less than a year ,can anyone afford their energy bill to treble ????
 
Questions need to be asked why our regulator signs off on 250% increases for the French owned energy companies such as EDF, which in effect, subsidises the French taxpayer who have 12 months of 0% increases signed off by their Government.

Another Brexit bonus. Sovereignty means we can fleece our energy users independently of what Europe does.
 
td53 said:
It's a valid one.

I cannot see how the economy doesn't tank if the 6k price cap that's rumoured today is an actual thing. That's a) going to make so many people reliant on some kind of hand out and b) going to decimate the cash in the pockets of many of the rest...

Pubs, restaurants, satellite tv, beauty salons etc etc. Anything you can think of that isn't a bare necessity is going to be squeezed like hell, whilst also having to pay their own rates.

Which in turn creates more issues as people are laid off and businesses go under.

I don't get why it's not a bigger deal.
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Many businesses look to be in real danger right now, and don’t even have the benefit of a maximum price cap. Football clubs no doubt included in this as well. How much does it cost to run the floodlights for two or three hours for instance.
1.00 pm kick offs through the winter months maybe??
 
How much more are the vast majority of our country going to take before some form of direct action is taken. Not just the energy companies. High street banks including HSBC, Lloyds, NatWest, and Santander, holding £673.5 billion in cash, at a 14 year high of 1.75 per cent interest held for a year would make them £11.78 billion in interest! whilst the easy access account across the top 5 banks pays 0.14 per cent! its piss taking!
It’s time to take back our water, since privatisation in 1989 £72billion paid out to shareholders, millions of litres a day draining away due to no repairs made to Victorian sewage pipes and mains water replacement pipes. Again it’s piss taking!
 
Levi501 said:
How much more are the vast majority of our country going to take before some form of direct action is taken. Not just the energy companies. High street banks including HSBC, Lloyds, NatWest, and Santander, holding £673.5 billion in cash, at a 14 year high of 1.75 per cent interest held for a year would make them £11.78 billion in interest! whilst the easy access account across the top 5 banks pays 0.14 per cent! its piss taking!
It’s time to take back our water, since privatisation in 1989 £72billion paid out to shareholders, millions of litres a day draining away due to no repairs made to Victorian sewage pipes and mains water replacement pipes. Again it’s piss taking!
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piss leaking perhaps... but yeah.
 
Levi501 said:
Something better change! I’m ** 70 next month, I’ve done my direct action bit over the years, it’s time for the young uns to say, right enough is enough!
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Aye.

I think there's a general incredulity. I don't think people can actually quite process it. The whole suspension of business whilst the Government sorts out it's own internal politics isn't helping either cos it's like there's no one actually to demand anything of.
 
td53 said:
Aye.

I think there's a general incredulity. I don't think people can actually quite process it. The whole suspension of business whilst the Government sorts out it's own internal politics isn't helping either cos it's like there's no one actually to demand anything of.
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Tbh we’ve thought similar, its almost like people are in denial of what is about to hit them! Sadly they’re all too soon to find out.
 
Levi501 said:
Tbh we’ve thought similar, its almost like people are in denial of what is about to hit them! Sadly they’re all too soon to find out.
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Think it also perhaps doesn't help that many have just experienced being 'bailed out' so to speak by furlough and there's a feeling that somehow, something must come along to divert the problem.

I don't think a certain class of people really believe that they might be 'poor' either but there's a hell of a lot of us are fucked if this turns out as some are predicting.

I can't believe I'm hearing Truss talk about 'we need to avoid recession and blah, blah'

This is going to be a catastrophic economic situation if it's not got in hand soon.
 
td53 said:
Think it also perhaps doesn't help that many have just experienced being 'bailed out' so to speak by furlough and there's a feeling that somehow, something must come along to divert the problem.

I don't think a certain class of people really believe that they might be 'poor' either but there's a hell of a lot of us are fucked if this turns out as some are predicting.

I can't believe I'm hearing Truss talk about 'we need to avoid recession and blah, blah'

This is going to be a catastrophic economic situation if it's not got in hand soon.
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Regarding Truss and little Rishi their only thoughts are who‘s going to be the next Leader of the Conservative Party (Ludicrously) also PM! This on coming fiscal tidal wave is going to leave the vast majority struggling to meet even the bare necessities of weekly outlay, even the fairly well off are going to gasp at what little luxuries they are going to have to forfeit!
 
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td53 said:
It's a valid one.

I cannot see how the economy doesn't tank if the 6k price cap that's rumoured today is an actual thing. That's a) going to make so many people reliant on some kind of hand out and b) going to decimate the cash in the pockets of many of the rest...

Pubs, restaurants, satellite tv, beauty salons etc etc. Anything you can think of that isn't a bare necessity is going to be squeezed like hell, whilst also having to pay their own rates.

Which in turn creates more issues as people are laid off and businesses go under.

I don't get why it's not a bigger deal.
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Yes, certainly not enough being done for small businesses.

Conservatives are supposed to encourage free enterprise but I get the impression that they wouldn't be disappointed for there to be just a few super businesses within individual industries.

The small businesses need support and quickly, I am not pretending to know all the figures but surely better to support the small businesses and help ensure their survival and continue to receive revenues from the tax on their profits and their employees earnings than have to provide support to all those who find themselves out of work if these businesses fail.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Yes, certainly not enough being done for small businesses.

Conservatives are supposed to encourage free enterprise but I get the impression that they wouldn't be disappointed for there to be just a few super businesses within individual industries.

The small businesses need support and quickly, I am not pretending to know all the figures but surely better to support the small businesses and help ensure their survival and continue to receive revenues from the tax on their profits and their employees earnings than have to provide support to all those who find themselves out of work if these businesses fail.
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This is true. Whether it's supporting small business or supporting individuals to keep money flowing round or challenging the mega companies (i.e. fuel or energy giants) - if bills are high and no one is spending them it's effectively a cull of businesses that do not have cash reserves and/or profit margins they can use as a buffer.

There comes a point where whether you look at it from left, right or centre, you have to conclude 'er... The economy cannot function here, this is broken'
 
td53 said:
Aye.

I think there's a general incredulity. I don't think people can actually quite process it. The whole suspension of business whilst the Government sorts out it's own internal politics isn't helping either cos it's like there's no one actually to demand anything of.
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And yet all Ministers are still taking the additional salary for all that responsibility they're abdicating from.
 
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