Edward Colston statue toppled in Bristol...

Bristol has a black Mayor so why the fuck didn't he get the statue removed the last time a petition was handed to him.
 
well said Lala. And some on here are still in denial and refuse to condemn these acts of wanton vandalism and violence. Anarchy rules. Even on AVFTT.
 
20togo said:
well said Lala. And some on here are still in denial and refuse to condemn these acts of wanton vandalism and violence. Anarchy rules. Even on AVFTT.
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People are frightened to voice rationality or simply don’t care about rational in their attempts to appear superior, right on and nice.
 
If the Police are going to chase up these people who brought down the statue then it will be a very interesting court room that day.

All their legal costs will be covered aswell,the charities have been well backed throughout this.
 
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My post would be censored Herts. It's not hard to look through threads and see who has commented but who has also failed to condemn the acts of violence and vandalism.
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I haven't so does that include me? By the way, several "senior" members on here are calling you out. Here's an idea... Next time Cat posts something, debate it with him. Please try to avoid using the words, disgusting, vile, racist, idiotic etc. Oh and remember, he is a teacher, looking after kids so may not always be able to respond promptly like you.
 
Lala said:
www.google.com

Police call for apology from bosses after 49 officers injured during anti-racism protests

Demonstrators threw bottles and fireworks during clashes at anti-racism protests in central London over the weekend.
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Absolute shocking behaviour from total scumbags. Some of these protesters are worse than those they accuse.
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Those pesky militant suffragettes causing trouble eh? Disgraceful....burning down homes, destroying exhibitions in museums and planting bombs! They were responsible for 1-2 billion worth of damage 1913-14 alone.
 
Shandypants said:
Those pesky militant suffragettes causing trouble eh? Disgraceful....burning down homes, destroying exhibitions in museums and planting bombs! They were responsible for 1-2 billion worth of damage 1913-14 alone.
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Argh, ok. Because that happened it’s now sensible to assault any police officer you like.
Bollox.
Women are still discriminated against now, and daily.
Doesn’t give me the right to chop your bollox off though just because you maybe the same sex and colour of the offenders.
You’re advocating a violent free for all for anybody feeling aggrieved or discriminated against in modern society by that logic.
 
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Sometimes shit happens for change. I can't help think that because it's a black thing there are a few on here that instantly don't like it. Remember the poll tax riots, that's when youth had a set of bollocks rather than put up with Tory nonsense.
 
Shandypants said:
Sometimes shit happens for change. I can't help think that because it's a black thing there are a few on here that instantly don't like it. Remember the poll tax riots, that's when youth had a set of bollocks rather than put up with Tory nonsense.
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The black thing is so not an issue here for me. And if you actually knew me you wouldn’t doubt that.
Its a road to nowhere if you condone assaulting the innocent for the crimes of others.
 
Lala said:
The black thing is so not an issue here for me. And if you actually knew me you wouldn’t doubt that.
Its a road to nowhere if you condone assaulting the innocent for the crimes of others.
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Maybe not you but there are some on here that'll think like that. There are many movements that have changed society for the better, through civil disobedience and/or violence. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist and all that. I fully endorse the removal of the statue in the manner it happened, its shocking that it was still there making Colston to be a heroic figure rather than a murderer.
 
Shandypants said:
Maybe not you but there are some on here that'll think like that. There are many movements that have changed society for the better, through civil disobedience and/or violence. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist and all that. I fully endorse the removal of the statue in the manner it happened, its shocking that it was still there making Colston to be a heroic figure rather than a murderer.
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Yes, my response was more aimed at the violence inflicted on our public servants trying to keep the peace.
 
Lala said:
The black thing is so not an issue here for me. And if you actually knew me you wouldn’t doubt that.
Its a road to nowhere if you condone assaulting the innocent for the crimes of others.
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Very well said. My daughter has been pilloried on social media by her peers because although passionate about the racial inequality that still exists, she thinks the violence and acts of vandalism have distracted from the cause. Kind of ironic they’ve bullied her off social media .
 
Newholland said:
Very well said. My daughter has been pilloried on social media by her peers because although passionate about the racial inequality that still exists, she thinks the violence and acts of vandalism have distracted from the cause. Kind of ironic they’ve bullied her off social media .
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Everyone I know in real life feels the same. People are too scared to voice rational thoughts though on social media particularly, for fear of being branded a racist and intimidated because of their logic.
I’m sure your daughter has made valid points. You have to be thick skinned and resolute to not be intimidated by the backlash you get for expressing them though.
 
Ormergod said:
If the Police are going to chase up these people who brought down the statue then it will be a very interesting court room that day.

All their legal costs will be covered aswell,the charities have been well backed throughout this.
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Agreed. If there are prosecutions I believe there will be protests every bit as big as those we saw at the weekend and not just in Bristol.

Bristol is a multicultural, young, educated and tolerant city, would a jury of their peers convict them even if the evidence suggested they were guilty?

Very interesting times ahead.
 
Wonder what Captain Sir Thomas Moore would make of it all. I think I know the answer. A true Gentleman that I imagine the media certainly wouldn’t want to speak to at the moment.
 
Shandypants said:
Whataboutery in its purest form. Wonder what Bob Carolgees, Michelle Platini, Princess Margeret and Frankie Dettori think about it, I'd love to know......
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theres Quite a lot of whataboutery in lots of posts on here, it doesn’t take away the fact that you come across as somebody with very little respect for the Law and The freedoms The likes of Mr Moore has afforded you.
 
Scaramanga said:
theres Quite a lot of whataboutery in lots of posts on here, it doesn’t take away the fact that you come across as somebody with very little respect for the Law and The freedoms The likes of Mr Moore has afforded you.
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My family have made major sacrifices in both wars so I dont need a lecture from the likes of you. My son is also serving in HM Forces. The difference between you and me I open my eyes to what goes on, you wallow in patriotism
 
I’m not wallowing in anything thank you very much, but I am a patriot. I thought this was a message board, now I’m lecturing you ? Diddums.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
You deserved it for what you said.

Now stop crying and grow a pair. You Big Girl’s Blouse. 👍
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That's two 'big girl's blouses' on one thread. That's both sexist and fatist. Before long you'll be starting up hatred against women demos and leading the male chauvinist rampage to topple the statue of Millicent Fawcett in Parliament Square. You've obviously got no respect for the traditions and....(Continued on p.94)
 
Anyway footage tonight on Twitter showing West Ham's hoolies having a set too with Antifa on the streets of London.Not posting the link but it seems like an extension of the stuff we witnessed over Brexit,and absolutely nothing at all to do with a civilised constructive debate.

I'm genuinely fearful that this is how politics will develop in this country,irrespective of what sets off these issues in the first place.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
That's two 'big girl's blouses' on one thread. That's both sexist and fatist. Before long you'll be starting up hatred against women demos and leading the male chauvinist rampage to topple the statue of Millicent Fawcett in Parliament Square. You've obviously got no respect for the traditions and....(Continued on p.94)
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I’d like to extend my deepest and sincerest apologies to anyone who was offended by my wholly unacceptable turn of phrase. Clearly in this day and age it is totally unacceptable and I am profoundly sorry if I have caused upset to any Big Jessies.

Oh shit!!! I’ve done it again!!! Where the fick is the edit button on this new fangled site? It was much easier on the old site. It clearly said “edit”!!! Bollux🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
 
20togo said:
Oh indeed we do. Free speech and all that. Oh hang on a mo.
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Mexboroseasider said:
I’d like to extend my deepest and sincerest apologies to anyone who was offended by my wholly unacceptable turn of phrase. Clearly in this day and age it is totally unacceptable and I am profoundly sorry if I have caused upset to any Big Jessies.

Oh shit!!! I’ve done it again!!! Where the fick is the edit button on this new fangled site? It was much easier on the old site. It clearly said “edit”!!! Bollux🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
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And so you should be you er, sexist fat shamer! tch, tch!
 
Just following the spat between Scara and Shandy. I´m not going to get involved as such but I am interested in this idea of being a patriot so I feel compelled to chip in. Patriots come in all shapes, sizes, colours and political persuasions. However, some people ( and I´m not referring to anyone on here because I´ve never looked anyone in the eye and asked straight questions of them) , I think, get confused between patriotism and nationalism. And even between patriotism and royalism. I don´t live in the UK but that doesn´t make me any less British than anyone else. I´m not a fan of the Royals but I´m proud to be British and would describe myself as a patriot but never a nationalist.
 
Ripping down the statue was i guess symbolism.
Tbh i had know idea of who Colston was so at least I and im sure many others have learnt something.

The protests have certainly raised awareness. The authorities/Police In the UK were incredibly restrained and adopted a softly,softly approach in dealing with gatherings which was imo totally correct.

You obviously get some idiots, anti law & order/anarchist types causing trouble which was a real shame but there you go the vast majority 99.9% made their point peacefully👍.

Ok ideally i would have liked more social distancing😙 but on the whole I say well done to all the peaceful protestors for the way in which they made their voice heard.

Point Made.

The treatment and the death of George Floyd in the USA was reprehensible. All decent people stand against that type of behavior.

However many are concerned that large crowds which are not permitted at present for public health reasons will result in further transmissions of a virus that in a few months has cost so many lives here in the UK

So lets please now get back to following the guidelines and the task of defeating covid together as a nation.

I know social distancing is rather shit but it is their for a reason, it halts the virus & SAVES LIVES.👍
 
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Hertsseasider said:
I haven't so does that include me? By the way, several "senior" members on here are calling you out. Here's an idea... Next time Cat posts something, debate it with him. Please try to avoid using the words, disgusting, vile, racist, idiotic etc. Oh and remember, he is a teacher, looking after kids so may not always be able to respond promptly like you.
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Firstly, I don't believe I've ever called him a racist as it's pretty clear a racist he is not. Oh and by the way several people on here agree with me too so just because you've had a chat with Robbie spare me your bullshit in thinking you've got the sole right to be right just cos you agree with Cats political pov.
Oh and by the way again, I suggest Cat has used ALL the words you accuse me of saying in many of his posts. You can also add scum onto the list as well. Maybe you're own political persuasions mean you fail to realise that. Just a thought like.
 
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Been searching for this type of info, could only find evidence of newspaper online vote and reference to disagreement over a plaque. Source?
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"The Labour MP's plans have been met with opposition from Conservative councillors who believe the statue should remain in its place" 2018 quote from the Western Free press
 
Well... there we go... My maiden 100 on the new AVFTT board...
I would like to thank you all for your argumentative runs... Scara, Wiz, Mac, Herts, 20s, Ollygon, OL, Rec3, BFCx3, Levi, Lytham_FY8, 1966etc, Wizzer, Mex (especially), Olly, ElBurro... and, of course, theCat... Please forgive if you are overlooked.

Not quite as proud an achievement as my first ton on the old board, with the arduous, grinding, but important, effort of the Season Ticket counting using the Oystons’ own online ticketing to demonstrate how fucked they were in the face of the boycott... But, hey, I am glad to be still in play... UTMP !
I look forward to our return to BR.
 
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Anti-racist activist Lee Jasper: "It was white people who pulled the statue" of slave trader Edward Colston down, but "it's being pinned on the BlackLivesMatter movement..."
 
Shandypants said:
My family have made major sacrifices in both wars so I dont need a lecture from the likes of you. My son is also serving in HM Forces. The difference between you and me I open my eyes to what goes on, you wallow in patriotism
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Your son is serving in the armed forces. You must be extremely proud of him and rightly so.
I've always been of the opinion that being in the Forces instils in you the need for discipline and respect.
I think it a great shame then that those protestors who committed wanton acts of violence and vandalism didn't have the discipline to show respect to all those protestors who wanted to legitimately protest peacefully for their cause. Very sad.
 
Hertsseasider said:
I haven't so does that include me? By the way, several "senior" members on here are calling you out. Here's an idea... Next time Cat posts something, debate it with him. Please try to avoid using the words, disgusting, vile, racist, idiotic etc. Oh and remember, he is a teacher, looking after kids so may not always be able to respond promptly like you.
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Out of respect for you I will give you a more detailed response as to my thoughts. I'm not asking you to agree or disagree, simply consider what I say. Firstly, I'll simply deal with your comments in the post of yours that I've quoted. Perhaps you are not aware although I did post so that I received an 'alert' from a moderator, I suspect your senior member friend stating that I could not engage directly with Cat as my posts would be deleted. And that has proven to be the case. So looking at your words there can't be a "Next time". I find that decision to be totally wrong as it means I am not able to challenge Cats posts so therefore in my opinion he has carte blanche to write what he wants without me being able to challenge him if I feel the need to do so.
Your second point was to avoid certain words. I've already given an explanation of that that I feel Cat himself has used those words but I will come onto that later.
Your third point was about prompt replies from him. Rightly or wrongly you may be recalling a comment I made a while back regarding this where he did fail to respond quickly or even at all. Yes, I appreciate he's a teacher but in this particular case he was actively posting at the time but failed to respond. Anyway that's just a trivial issue but from my pov I feel it needed clarifying.

Right, down to the more important stuff.. Do I intentionally or specifically target CAT? I don't believe I do. That said is it's Cats posts I find most offensive?. Absolutely.. First I'll say there's many posters on here whose political persuasion is the same as Cat's although are they as extreme? I don't think so. To just quote a few and no doubt there's plenty more, but TD53, 1966,Wizzard and SSP all articulate their points in nowhere near as offensive manner as Cat does. They engage in debate. Cat does not he preaches the gospel of hate by use of the words you refer to -and a whole lot more. He targets individuals, for me it doesn't matter whether they post on here or not, this is a football forum for gods sake.

So just to be clear I've no problem with Cats political pov, he can be red blue or green or whatever colour he chooses. I made this point to Mex the other day when he said "play the ball not the man". It's not the ball I have a problem with, it's the man and the manner he goes about making his point. He targets individuals, this week, it's all to do with BLM and his justification and excuses for the acts of violence and vandalism. Last week it was Cummings, before that it was the PM and in between during this crisis their have been many other individual targets he has chosen. I will remind you again of his response when challenged about wishing the PM a speedy recovery. He didn't wish the PM dead because he didn't believe in the death penalty. That's a pretty extreme and offensive remark which was allowed to stand unchecked. Prior to this crisis he was his same abusive self with regards to the General Election and his views of the PM and previous PM's, the run up to Brexit and his opinion of the "Tory scum".
Why do you think so many people, I can think of at least four, who have openly stated, they have chosen to "ignore" him? I believe he contributes nothing else at all to this football message board, you only have to look at his posting history to realise he's pretty much a one trick pony. And that's why I've no problem believing that his purpose on here is to be an extremist, a political agitator stirring up hatred. He knows full well what he is doing.
That brings me back finally to my first point. One particular moderator has denied me the right to challenge Cat, I consider that to be an extremely poor decision for all the reasons I refer to. I ask myself, will this post be allowed to remain.
 
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Ollygon said:
He's just announced that he's not going to skulk in his Tax Haven anymore.

He's coming back to the UK, he's going to pay tax like the rest of us, he's going to sell his diamond earrings, and he's going to donate all of his wealth to black charities.

His hypocrisy is breathtaking, but not surprising.
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Is he not allowed to comment because he's rich then?

I would imagine a succesful black man who has experience of racial abuse, very publicly at the Spanish Grand Prix, would be the ideal spokesman?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Is he not allowed to comment because he's rich then?

I would imagine a succesful black man who has experience of racial abuse, very publicly at the Spanish Grand Prix, would be the ideal spokesman?
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It's like his wealth has turned him white...
 
20togo said:
Out of respect for you I will give you a more detailed response as to my thoughts. I'm not asking you to agree or disagree, simply consider what I say. Firstly, I'll simply deal with your comments in the post of yours that I've quoted. Perhaps you are not aware although I did post so that I received an 'alert' from a moderator, I suspect your senior member friend stating that I could not engage directly with Cat as my posts would be deleted. And that has proven to be the case. So looking at your words there can't be a "Next time". I find that decision to be totally wrong as it means I am not able to challenge Cats posts so therefore in my opinion he has carte blanche to write what he wants without me being able to challenge him if I feel the need to do so.
Your second point was to avoid certain words. I've already given an explanation of that that I feel Cat himself has used those words but I will come onto that later.
Your third point was about prompt replies from him. Rightly or wrongly you may be recalling a comment I made a while back regarding this where he did fail to respond quickly or even at all. Yes, I appreciate he's a teacher but in this particular case he was actively posting at the time but failed to respond. Anyway that's just a trivial issue but from my pov I feel it needed clarifying.

Right, down to the nitty gritty. Do I intentionally or specifically target CAT? I don't believe I do. That said is it's Cats posts I find most offensive?. Absolutely.. First I'll say there's many posters on here whose political persuasion is the same as Cat's although are they as extreme? I don't think so. To just quote a few and no doubt there's plenty more, but TD53, 1966,Wizzard and SSP all articulate their points in nowhere near as offensive manner as Cat does. They engage in debate. Cat does not he preaches the gospel of hate by use of the words you refer to -and a whole lot more. He targets individuals, for me it doesn't matter whether they post on here or not, this is a football forum for gods sake.

So just to be clear I've no problem with Cats political pov, he can be red blue or green or whatever colour he chooses. I made this point to Mex the other day when he said "play the ball not the man". It's not the ball I have a problem with, it's the man and the manner he goes about making his point. He targets individuals, this week, it's all to do with BLM and his justification and excuses for the acts of violence and vandalism. Last week it was Cummings, before that it was the PM and in between during this crisis their have been many other individual targets he has chosen. I will remind you again of his response when challenged about wishing the PM a speedy recovery. He didn't wish the PM dead because he didn't believe in the death penalty. That's a pretty extreme and offensive remark which was allowed to stand unchecked. Prior to this crisis he was his same abusive self with regards to the General Election and his views of the PM and previous PM's, the run up to Brexit and his opinion of the "Tory scum".
Why do you think so many people, I can think of at least four, who have openly stated, they have chosen to "ignore" him? I believe he contributes nothing else at all to this football message board, you only have to look at his posting history to realise he's pretty much a one trick pony. And that's why I've no problem believing that his purpose on here is to be an extremist, a political agitator stirring up hatred. He knows full well what he is doing.
That brings me back finally to my first point. One particular moderator has denied me the right to challenge Cat, I consider that to be an extremely poor decision for all the reasons I refer to. I ask myself, will this post be allowed to remain.
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For what it's worth I find a lot of Cat's posts full of interesting and enlightening content. However, once the informative stuff is posted he does tend to become aggressive and personal - not a good sell and not a good way of perpetuating the discussion. I think I've indirectly tried to make that point to him but since when did any leopard on here change its spots?
 
20togo said:
Right, down to the nitty gritty. Do I intentionally or specifically target CAT? I don't believe I do. That said is it's Cats posts I find most offensive?. Absolutely.. First I'll say there's many posters on here whose political persuasion is the same as Cat's although are they as extreme? I don't think so. To just quote a few and no doubt there's plenty more, but TD53, 1966,Wizzard and SSP all articulate their points in nowhere near as offensive manner as Cat does. They engage in debate. Cat does not he preaches the gospel of hate by use of the words you refer to -and a whole lot more. He targets individuals, for me it doesn't matter whether they post on here or not, this is a football forum for gods sake.

So just to be clear I've no problem with Cats political pov, he can be red blue or green or whatever colour he chooses. I made this point to Mex the other day when he said "play the ball not the man". It's not the ball I have a problem with, it's the man and the manner he goes about making his point. He targets individuals, this week, it's all to do with BLM and his justification and excuses for the acts of violence and vandalism. Last week it was Cummings, before that it was the PM and in between during this crisis their have been many other individual targets he has chosen. I will remind you again of his response when challenged about wishing the PM a speedy recovery. He didn't wish the PM dead because he didn't believe in the death penalty. That's a pretty extreme and offensive remark which was allowed to stand unchecked. Prior to this crisis he was his same abusive self with regards to the General Election and his views of the PM and previous PM's, the run up to Brexit and his opinion of the "Tory scum".
Why do you think so many people, I can think of at least four, who have openly stated, they have chosen to "ignore" him? I believe he contributes nothing else at all to this football message board, you only have to look at his posting history to realise he's pretty much a one trick pony. And that's why I've no problem believing that his purpose on here is to be an extremist, a political agitator stirring up hatred. He knows full well what he is doing.
That brings me back finally to my first point. One particular moderator has denied me the right to challenge Cat, I consider that to be an extremely poor decision for all the reasons I refer to. I ask myself, will this post be allowed to remain.
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20togo said:
Out of respect for you I will give you a more detailed response as to my thoughts. I'm not asking you to agree or disagree, simply consider what I say. Firstly, I'll simply deal with your comments in the post of yours that I've quoted. Perhaps you are not aware although I did post so that I received an 'alert' from a moderator, I suspect your senior member friend stating that I could not engage directly with Cat as my posts would be deleted. And that has proven to be the case. So looking at your words there can't be a "Next time". I find that decision to be totally wrong as it means I am not able to challenge Cats posts so therefore in my opinion he has carte blanche to write what he wants without me being able to challenge him if I feel the need to do so.
Your second point was to avoid certain words. I've already given an explanation of that that I feel Cat himself has used those words but I will come onto that later.
Your third point was about prompt replies from him. Rightly or wrongly you may be recalling a comment I made a while back regarding this where he did fail to respond quickly or even at all. Yes, I appreciate he's a teacher but in this particular case he was actively posting at the time but failed to respond. Anyway that's just a trivial issue but from my pov I feel it needed clarifying.

Right, down to the nitty gritty. Do I intentionally or specifically target CAT? I don't believe I do. That said is it's Cats posts I find most offensive?. Absolutely.. First I'll say there's many posters on here whose political persuasion is the same as Cat's although are they as extreme? I don't think so. To just quote a few and no doubt there's plenty more, but TD53, 1966,Wizzard and SSP all articulate their points in nowhere near as offensive manner as Cat does. They engage in debate. Cat does not he preaches the gospel of hate by use of the words you refer to -and a whole lot more. He targets individuals, for me it doesn't matter whether they post on here or not, this is a football forum for gods sake.

So just to be clear I've no problem with Cats political pov, he can be red blue or green or whatever colour he chooses. I made this point to Mex the other day when he said "play the ball not the man". It's not the ball I have a problem with, it's the man and the manner he goes about making his point. He targets individuals, this week, it's all to do with BLM and his justification and excuses for the acts of violence and vandalism. Last week it was Cummings, before that it was the PM and in between during this crisis their have been many other individual targets he has chosen. I will remind you again of his response when challenged about wishing the PM a speedy recovery. He didn't wish the PM dead because he didn't believe in the death penalty. That's a pretty extreme and offensive remark which was allowed to stand unchecked. Prior to this crisis he was his same abusive self with regards to the General Election and his views of the PM and previous PM's, the run up to Brexit and his opinion of the "Tory scum".
Why do you think so many people, I can think of at least four, who have openly stated, they have chosen to "ignore" him? I believe he contributes nothing else at all to this football message board, you only have to look at his posting history to realise he's pretty much a one trick pony. And that's why I've no problem believing that his purpose on here is to be an extremist, a political agitator stirring up hatred. He knows full well what he is doing.
That brings me back finally to my first point. One particular moderator has denied me the right to challenge Cat, I consider that to be an extremely poor decision for all the reasons I refer to. I ask myself, will this post be allowed to remain.
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Cheers 20's. I respect that response. Will leave it now, Spurs are soon to storm up the PL.
 
Right, I've had a heads up regarding an unfortunate phrase I used in my post of which I had no idea of the origins. Typical that it's so current.
I've duly edited my post replacing the offensive phrase and apologise if any one noticed it and realised it's meaning.
Thanks to the poster for informing me.
 
20togo said:
Right, I've had a heads up regarding an unfortunate phrase I used in my post of which I had no idea of the origins. Typical that it's so current.
I've duly edited my post replacing the offensive phrase and apologise if any one noticed it and realised it's meaning.
Thanks to the poster for informing me.
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And this is why we should never have created a separate political board. Politics is decisive and not what we as football fans are about. How do I start a return to one, football, boards campaign?
 
20togo said:
Right, I've had a heads up regarding an unfortunate phrase I used in my post of which I had no idea of the origins. Typical that it's so current.
I've duly edited my post replacing the offensive phrase and apologise if any one noticed it and realised it's meaning.
Thanks to the poster for informing me.
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You might be being somewhat over-sensitive...
But even so, it’s quite unintentionally hilarious, given the topic of the thread. 🤗
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The meaning and origin of the phrase 'Nitty-gritty'.
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