Embarrassed

and that rule applies to most of our attempted signings so what's the problem with BFC ?

Personally, whilst I think most of the stuff TAM has said is not fair or even acceptable we can implode very, very quickly and have a track record for it, I feel we are in very deep water already and the pressure is on

All I say to supporters is try and encourage - our awayu followings will try and lift the team - they are a different kind of suppoprters but it wont guarantee points and we need some points pressure release and make would be signings think 'hey this is a good Club'.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
What have we become ?
1/Giving shit to the Sandgrownun who has repositioned his life to become our custodian and spent tens of millions so far and with more to follow
2/ Remonstrating with our best player because he fcuked up a chance
3/ Booing the team
We are better than this
Or at least we should be
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Exactly right Tim. It’s a minority of clueless idiots though.
 
I’m going to try and be honest and balanced here, because there’s no point sugar coating these things. I’ve wholeheartedly defended the club and board over many things recently, but let’s be straight.

Yes it’s embarrassing, but it’s not unexpected …All of this was entirely predictable…

Top and bottom… Appleton was the choice that the board, including SS made. They made that choice (unanimously) in the full knowledge of how the fans felt. So I’m afraid to that extent they’ve made their bed …. And need to make it work.. (obviously most of us will put our feelings to one side and get behind the manager, but not everyone ) .. so It’s no good getting upset, because fans start to behave in an entirely predictable way…

Also I think we’ve lost a sense of direction and building something that came with Critchley.

The communication recently, both around Appleton appointment and also the recent Gazette piece has been poor.

The transfer dealings haven’t gone as well as expected.

The football up to this point has been awful..

Some of the ticketing policies are an added irritation.

At this point, the board / club have somehow got to re-engage and reignite the passion and direction within the fanbase.

Now that will inevitably come if the results start going well, but in the absence of the positive results on the field, you need strong passionate leadership and clear and honest communication about where we are going.

You can’t shut dissent down and you can’t hide away from it by telling people they are out of order or through carefully orchestrated invite only supporter meetings…. You must face your critics head on and make them a part of the solution…


As Fans though… We can’t ignore our own responsibilities and we are going to need to dig deep… we need to dig deep in terms of our emotional resources and get behind the team through a rocky period… booing and abuse will only make matters worse… And we also need to dig deep financially…. It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium…

So whilst I understand the gripes about Ticket Prices, people need to ask themselves whether they want Championship Football at a premium or L1 Football which is affordable.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m going to try and be honest and balanced here, because there’s no point sugar coating these things. I’ve wholeheartedly defended the club and board over many things recently, but let’s be straight.

Yes it’s embarrassing, but it’s not unexpected …All of this was entirely predictable…

Top and bottom… Appleton was the choice that the board, including SS made. They made that choice (unanimously) in the full knowledge of how the fans felt. So I’m afraid to that extent they’ve made their bed …. And need to make it work.. (obviously most of us will put our feelings to one side and get behind the manager, but not everyone ) .. so It’s no good getting upset, because fans start to behave in an entirely predictable way…

Also I think we’ve lost a sense of direction and building something that came with Critchley.

The communication recently, both around Appleton appointment and also the recent Gazette piece has been poor.

The transfer dealings haven’t gone as well as expected.

The football up to this point has been awful..

Some of the ticketing policies are an added irritation.

We’ve somehow got to re-engage and reignite the passion and direction within the fanbase.

Now that will inevitably come if the results start going well, but in the absence of the positive results in the field, you need strong passionate leadership and clear and honest communication about where we are going.

You can’t shut dissent down and you can’t hide away from it by telling people they are out of order or through carefully orchestrated invite only supporter meetings…. You must face your critics head on and make them a part of the solution…


As Fans though… We can’t ignore our own responsibilities and we are going to need to dig deep… we need to dig deep in terms of our emotional resources and get behind the team through a rocky period… booing and abuse will only make matters worse… And we also need to dig deep financially…. It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium…

So whilst I understand the gripes about Ticket Prices, people need to ask themselves whether they want Championship Football at a premium or L1 Football which is affordable.
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Spot on.
 
BISONS said:
10s of millions?? Calm down. It’s all given to the club as a loan. He’ll get it back.

You condone illegally bringing pyrotechnics into the ground but people who have paid good money can’t berate the players or owner? What planet are you on?

I appreciate the work that’s been done with the club but let’s not lose sight of the fact that the things he’s done and is doing are his to do. He bought the club, he wasn’t forced into it. Most people only care about the team and this season so far he has failed to provide adequate backing for his manager.

If he can’t or won’t back him then he needs to rethink his priorities or find a buyer with the wherewithal to support his manager. No amount of blowing smoke up his arse is going to change the fact he isnt rich enough to compete at this level.
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Jesus ** Christ. The chief whopper has spoken.
 
Disgusted more than embarrassed at some fans behaviour, you analyse it and the only thing I can think of have they an ulterior motive ?

If you read this message board Simon please carry on running OUR Club like you are doing and ignore the minority , the majority love what you are doing for us and long term for the Community,
UTMP
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m going to try and be honest and balanced here, because there’s no point sugar coating these things. I’ve wholeheartedly defended the club and board over many things recently, but let’s be straight.

Yes it’s embarrassing, but it’s not unexpected …All of this was entirely predictable…

Top and bottom… Appleton was the choice that the board, including SS made. They made that choice (unanimously) in the full knowledge of how the fans felt. So I’m afraid to that extent they’ve made their bed …. And need to make it work.. (obviously most of us will put our feelings to one side and get behind the manager, but not everyone ) .. so It’s no good getting upset, because fans start to behave in an entirely predictable way…

Also I think we’ve lost a sense of direction and building something that came with Critchley.

The communication recently, both around Appleton appointment and also the recent Gazette piece has been poor.

The transfer dealings haven’t gone as well as expected.

The football up to this point has been awful..

Some of the ticketing policies are an added irritation.

At this point, the board / club have somehow got to re-engage and reignite the passion and direction within the fanbase.

Now that will inevitably come if the results start going well, but in the absence of the positive results on the field, you need strong passionate leadership and clear and honest communication about where we are going.

You can’t shut dissent down and you can’t hide away from it by telling people they are out of order or through carefully orchestrated invite only supporter meetings…. You must face your critics head on and make them a part of the solution…


As Fans though… We can’t ignore our own responsibilities and we are going to need to dig deep… we need to dig deep in terms of our emotional resources and get behind the team through a rocky period… booing and abuse will only make matters worse… And we also need to dig deep financially…. It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium…

So whilst I understand the gripes about Ticket Prices, people need to ask themselves whether they want Championship Football at a premium or L1 Football which is affordable.
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Has the football been awful though???? I’m not seeing a world of difference between last year and this…. Poor final passes and crap strikers tbf
 
BISONS said:
How is he intending to finance the capital projects? He certainly does not have £40m to spend. Surely he won’t be using the club as collateral when he finances it?!

Other than the initial purchase, which was cheap, every penny is on the accounts, as a ‘loan’ please correct me if I’m wrong.

If you think a very hard nosed businessman is going to throw £40m at something for the love of it then you’re more delusional than I thought you were.
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He’s already said he isn’t expecting to see any return for these capital projects so whether it’s shown as a private loan in the accounts for tax reasons is frankly irrelevant as no one is going to give him his investment back

What’s delusional is thinking any investment in a football club comes with an expectation of a return

Whilst I can’t say I know Simon that well I did spend many hours speaking to him before he made the decision to proceed so I think I’m better placed than you to assess his motives behind his purchase of our club and it certainly wasn’t to make a profit
 
southshorepool said:
Appointing Appleton has made for a toxic environment. Rightly or wrongly.
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Rightly or wrongly?! Abuse is never justified SSP. Whatever your religion...

I wasn't that keen on Appleton myself but the way people turn against people and display such obsessive toxic behaviour is the single most off putting thing about supporting a football team.

It's offensive behaviour and incredibly destructive, designed to destroy people in order to prove they were right and to get their own way. Appleton has had 3 league games. Buying a ticket doesn't entitle anyone to be abusive. If we lost the next 20 games, abuse would not be justified. Abusive behaviour is never ok and if it happens at the match its sure to happen at home and elsewhere.

Other people shouldn't have to suffer your misery. You shouldn't suffer it either. A football match is not a reason to get angry and abusive. Being abusive is never justified. Get some help if this is you.
 
Not sure why the players were booed it looks like we had a go in the second half and had chances to win the game against a side who always dominate possession

Preston away was the last time I actually gave the players some shit at the end of the game

As for SS, now I'm torn on this as this pre season has been awful and the communication from the club just hasn't been good enough

He certainly doesn't deserve abuse from the stands however questions need to be asked as under his watch we have lost our head coach, struggled to get Rosenior over the line and then the club have fucked about all summer trying to get deals done

We have only played 3 league games, we have won one so the over reaction really is a bit pathetic

However

Out squad doesn't look good enough to play the wat the manager wants and I have doubts whether SS can support the club with the financial backing that we need to compete

I am disappointed as after all the years of the Oyston penny pinching we are still struggling to sign players

SS must have known when he bought the club that you don't make money on a lower LG football club unless you speculate some to have a go at getting promotions and we don't seem to want to have a go at that

I was hoping for more when SS came in

For every Oldham there is a Brentford
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Top and bottom… Appleton was the choice that the board, including SS made. They made that choice (unanimously) in the full knowledge of how the fans felt. So I’m afraid to that extent they’ve made their bed …. And need to make it work.. (obviously most of us will put our feelings to one side and get behind the manager, but not everyone ) .. so It’s no good getting upset, because fans start to behave in an entirely predictable way…
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Nailed it.

I don’t think many professional football clubs have appointed a new Manager and had to take him along to a local supporters bar to take his top off to show he’s not got any Preston tattoo’s.

He must have been thinking WTF. He’s just got a job at a Championship Club, a seemingly pro-active one… and he’s having to do all that cos the board know they’ve took a big risk appointing him.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
What have we become ?
1/Giving shit to the Sandgrownun who has repositioned his life to become our custodian and spent tens of millions so far and with more to follow
2/ Remonstrating with our best player because he fcuked up a chance
3/ Booing the team
We are better than this
Or at least we should be
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We weren‘t at Bloomfield Road yesterday , but if we were and the behaviour was as vitriolic as what people have said I know my young boy and girl will lose the love of wanting to go to future games.

Of course they sulk if we get beat, but they understand it’s just a game and we can’t win every game. ( as much as we’d love them to ).

However, the singing from the ( North stand choir in particular ) is something they love to join in with from the comfort of the SW family stand.
The atmosphere that we know we can create is something special when we fully get behind the team.

Yesterday, my son went to Carlisle Utd v Swindon ( with his cousin and Uncle ) and came home and said he enjoyed his afternoon out.
The next time we get to Blackpool is Vs M’Boro. If the atmosphere is still vitriolic for that match then I’ll struggle to keep their love of wanting to travel to watch us.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m going to try and be honest and balanced here, because there’s no point sugar coating these things. I’ve wholeheartedly defended the club and board over many things recently, but let’s be straight.

Yes it’s embarrassing, but it’s not unexpected …All of this was entirely predictable…

Top and bottom… Appleton was the choice that the board, including SS made. They made that choice (unanimously) in the full knowledge of how the fans felt. So I’m afraid to that extent they’ve made their bed …. And need to make it work.. (obviously most of us will put our feelings to one side and get behind the manager, but not everyone ) .. so It’s no good getting upset, because fans start to behave in an entirely predictable way…

Also I think we’ve lost a sense of direction and building something that came with Critchley.

The communication recently, both around Appleton appointment and also the recent Gazette piece has been poor.

The transfer dealings haven’t gone as well as expected.

The football up to this point has been awful..

Some of the ticketing policies are an added irritation.

At this point, the board / club have somehow got to re-engage and reignite the passion and direction within the fanbase.

Now that will inevitably come if the results start going well, but in the absence of the positive results on the field, you need strong passionate leadership and clear and honest communication about where we are going.

You can’t shut dissent down and you can’t hide away from it by telling people they are out of order or through carefully orchestrated invite only supporter meetings…. You must face your critics head on and make them a part of the solution…


As Fans though… We can’t ignore our own responsibilities and we are going to need to dig deep… we need to dig deep in terms of our emotional resources and get behind the team through a rocky period… booing and abuse will only make matters worse… And we also need to dig deep financially…. It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium…

So whilst I understand the gripes about Ticket Prices, people need to ask themselves whether they want Championship Football at a premium or L1 Football which is affordable.
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This isn't about Appleton. Would have been the same with Rosenior or Quitchley.

This 'It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium' is all wrong.

We can, there just needs to be a realistic approach. This is a long term plan. Appleton has only been in charge for 3 league game ffs.

We just need to support the project, believe, be realistic ... and knock the senseless moaning on the head.
 
BISONS said:
The games, I’ve checked, are played in a different order. A direct comparison with the results in the same fixture from last season are the best indicator.
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Except that we've changed our team, tactics and manager and the opposition are more settled.

By your logic, I'm presuming you'll be happy if we lose Tuesday night because we lost at Loftus Rd last season.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Not sure why the players were booed it looks like we had a go in the second half and had chances to win the game against a side who always dominate possession

Preston away was the last time I actually gave the players some shit at the end of the game

As for SS, now I'm torn on this as this pre season has been awful and the communication from the club just hasn't been good enough

He certainly doesn't deserve abuse from the stands however questions need to be asked as under his watch we have lost our head coach, struggled to get Rosenior over the line and then the club have fucked about all summer trying to get deals done

We have only played 3 league games, we have won one so the over reaction really is a bit pathetic

However

Out squad doesn't look good enough to play the wat the manager wants and I have doubts whether SS can support the club with the financial backing that we need to compete

I am disappointed as after all the years of the Oyston penny pinching we are still struggling to sign players

SS must have known when he bought the club that you don't make money on a lower LG football club unless you speculate some to have a go at getting promotions and we don't seem to want to have a go at that

I was hoping for more when SS came in

For every Oldham there is a Brentford
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The club didn't offer Rosenior.

Some transfer deals haven't gone our way, but that's because we are trying very hard to get the right players instead of squad fillers.

We can't afford to sign 7-8 quality players which is why most of our signings have been loans, which I am fine with if we end with 3-4 permanent deals (which have obviously not happened yet).

Agree that if the Summer window ends and Appleton hasn't been backed then the board will have serious questions to answer, but there is still time and I'd rather we miss out on a few because we went for quality instead of signings many who weren't as good.

I'll hold my tongue on transfers until September 1.
 
TonyEllisTopBins said:
Has the football been awful though???? I’m not seeing a world of difference between last year and this…. Poor final passes and crap strikers tbf
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I enjoyed watching us last season, I thought we were a good, well organised and disciplined side. It didn’t seem to matter who the personnel were either, we could make changes and generally still look well organised.

This season, so far at least, we look like a team of individuals to me.

Personally I’m relaxed about that, but not everyone is and if results don’t improve the number of dissenting voices will increase. It doesn’t matter whether you or me like it or not.

It’s no good sticking your hand in a wasps nest and then moaning when you get stung….

So I get it… And like others, I’m absolutely appalled by the behaviour of our fans…. But I’m not surprised at all.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
The club didn't offer Rosenior.

Some transfer deals haven't gone our way, but that's because we are trying very hard to get the right players instead of squad fillers.

We can't afford to sign 7-8 quality players which is why most of our signings have been loans, which I am fine with if we end with 3-4 permanent deals (which have obviously not happened yet).

Agree that if the Summer window ends and Appleton hasn't been backed then the board will have serious questions to answer, but there is still time and I'd rather we miss out on a few because we went for quality instead of signings many who weren't as good.

I'll hold my tongue on transfers until September 1.
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You don't know that about Rosenior we can only guess, however what we do know is that Rosenior fitted the job role and the club strategy more than Appleton

We know that because Bullshit Ben has told us several times than appointing a new head coach doesn't mean wholesale changes

The idea is a continuous plan and strategy

That's gone out of the window
 
Philbfctrois said:
For every Oldham there is a Brentford
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There isnt though. For every Brentford there's an Oldham, a Rochdale, a Gillingham, a Bradford, a Southend, a Stockport, a Darlington, etc.

We are punching above our weight in a league with much bigger budgets than ours. Progress really requires huge sums. Brentford is a London club and seems to have attracted significant investment.

Towns like Blackpool, Bradford, Gillingham, Southend don't get the same investment. We aren't likely to get better than what we've got. Let's be grateful and support it. Accept how things are. Enjoy the ride. We are in a great place in a great league. Plenty of clubs would love to swap places and would mock us for complaining about our current lot.
 
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This isn't about Appleton. Would have been the same with Rosenior or Quitchley.

This 'It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium' is all wrong.

We can, there just needs to be a realistic approach. This is a long term plan. Appleton has only been in charge for 3 league game ffs.

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I disagree….

Any other manager would have been afforded much more grace.

And this is exactly my point…. All of the “We just need too’s” in the world won’t make any difference…. The situation is what it is and you have to deal with the reality.

And if my comments about ‘paying a premium’ are wrong, then why are we maxing out in our ticket pricing policy?
 
Philbfctrois said:
You don't know that about Rosenior we can only guess, however what we do know is that Rosenior fitted the job role and the club strategy more than Appleton

We know that because Bullshit Ben has told us several times than appointing a new head coach doesn't mean wholesale changes

The idea is a continuous plan and strategy

That's gone out of the window
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Scrafton confirmed that Rosenior was never offered the job, he made it to the final rounds, but was not offered. It's down to you whether you trust him, but I don't see that saga as an issue to be worried about based on what was reported.

I agree that the idea of having a continuous plan does seem questionable now with us having to recruit half a squad in order to accomodate the way Appleton wants to play.

I do think we're still looking at a similar calibre of player (young and hungry with potential), but I guess the specific type has definitely changed.

I think if we go into September without 1-2 more "marquee" permanent signings then the MA appointment will look very cheap due to the board barely backing him.

I still have faith that we'll see a few come in who will lift the overall quality of the squad.
 
voyeur said:
There isnt though. For every Brentford there's an Oldham, a Rochdale, a Gillingham, a Bradford, a Southend, a Stockport, a Darlington, etc.

We are punching above our weight in a league with much bigger budgets than ours. Progress really requires huge sums. Brentford is a London ckub anx sedmz to havd atreacted significant investment.

Towns like Blackpool, Bradford, Gillingham, Southend don't get the same investment. We aren't likely to get better than what we've got. Let's be grateful and support it. Accept how things are. Enjoy the ride. We are in a great place in a great league. Plenty of clubs would love to swap places and would mock us for complaining about our current lot.
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Brentford are about the same sized club as us and have been struggling in the lower leagues as much as us in their recent history

I'm saying it's possible to do what they have done with limited crowds and potential

All this talk of Derby from the board was ridiculous at the time and the more I think of it the more it pisses me off

Nobody is expecting SS to throw 300 million at players, no one, not one single person !!
 
Theres no point putting all that money in the east stand. Theres loads of spare seats at the games anyway so it doesnt make sense as we wont any additional income even though the spend on the east stand will be huge.
 
Well spoken Tam. I’m away on holiday at the moment so didn’t attend but read all about it. Behaviour like this is not acceptable after all Mr Sadler has done.
Unfortunately a few losses brings out the worst in some fans. Fans must learn to keep the faith. UTMP
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
What have we become ?
1/Giving shit to the Sandgrownun who has repositioned his life to become our custodian and spent tens of millions so far and with more to follow
2/ Remonstrating with our best player because he fcuked up a chance
3/ Booing the team
We are better than this
Or at least we should be
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I agree with 2 out of the 3 ,but Bowler has always been too greedy and the only reason he gets away with it ,is because he is exciting to watch and it sometimes pays off for him. I wrote a couple of months ago that if Bowler went to a bigger club ,he would be found out. Well I think that people are finding out now at this club.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Scrafton confirmed that Rosenior was never offered the job, he made it to the final rounds, but was not offered. It's down to you whether you trust him, but I don't see that saga as an issue to be worried about based on what was reported.

I agree that the idea of having a continuous plan does seem questionable now with us having to recruit half a squad in order to accomodate the way Appleton wants to play.

I do think we're still looking at a similar calibre of player (young and hungry with potential), but I guess the specific type has definitely changed.

I think if we go into September without 1-2 more "marquee" permanent signings then the MA appointment will look very cheap due to the board barely backing him.

I still have faith that we'll see a few come in who will lift the overall quality of the squad.
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Ffs ...

So what?

He's a two bob local journo who also once told us to support the Oyston family

Scafton is currently just another mouth for Bullshit Ben you can see it a mile off
 
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Theres no point putting all that money in the east stand. Theres loads of spare seats at the games anyway so it doesnt make sense as we wont any additional income even though the spend on the east stand will be huge.
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It HAS to be redeveloped. It’s a few years from condemnation. Once condemned capacity reduces to 12,500, likely 12,000 after segregation and therefore approx 10,500 home fans at most (too small) and 1500 away fans at most (too small for 75% of games) - failure to redevelop becomes a guaranteed loss of income, and completely limits potential growth.

Just replacing the East with a like for like stand with no new facilities is £8-10 million. If the club are going to do that then they may as well create a stand with greater capacity and therefore future proof the club for generations to come and create facilities which provide revenue streams away from just the 23 games per year.

The East stand is not optional.
 
The way I see it.

The board appointed a Manager who nobody wanted. There was a buzz about Rosenior, that broke down at some point and we ended up with Appleton who I genuinely believe got his foot in the door because of a previous connection with Ben Mansford. It’s not what you know in life it’s who. It also went against all the buzzwords and rhetoric that Mansford spoke about for us getting a new Head Coach.

The Manager search before we got Critchley was a shambles too. If fans were in the ground Critchley would have been under massive pressure and the board might have got twitchy, however it all came good in the end. There was a fan connection with the previous Manager.

They knew appointing MA was a risk due to his previous gig here and Knob End connections but also his actual managerial record. That’s why we had the Armfield Club meet & the school headmaster letter to fans from Simon Sadler.

You’d have to be absolutely brain dead to not work out that lots of the fanbase would be straight on it if we start losing & it’s already started, after 3 games.

This one is on the board but our fans really need to remember that we just need to be staying up. I don’t know whether that season in the Prem has given some fans delusions of grandeur but we need to remember what we are & we’ve got to build over a period of time to start kicking on from there.
 
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The way I see it.

The board appointed a Manager who nobody wanted. There was a buzz about Rosenior, that broke down at some point and we ended up with Appleton who I genuinely believe got his foot in the door because of a previous connection with Ben Mansford. It’s not what you know in life it’s who in life. It also went against all the buzzwords and rhetoric that Mansford spoke about for us getting a new Head Coach.

The Manager search before we got Critchley was a shambles too. If fans were in the ground Critchley would have been under massive pressure and the board might have got twitchy, however it all came good in the end. There was a fan connection with the previous Manager.

They knew appointing MA was a risk due to his previous gig here and Knob End connections but also his actual managerial record. That’s why we had the Armfield Club meet & the school headmaster letter to fans from Simon Sadler.

You’d have to be absolutely brain dead to not work out that lots of the fanbase would be straight on it if we start losing & it’s already started, after 3 games.

This one is on the board but our fans really need to remember that we just need to be staying up. I don’t know whether that season in the Prem has given some fans delusions of grandeur but we need to remember what we are & we’ve got to build over a period of time to start kicking on from there.
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Absolutely

I Don't blame Appleton at all it was always going to be a tough job for him

It's on the board 100% this is
 
voyeur said:
Rightly or wrongly?! Abuse is never justified SSP. Whatever your religion...

I wasn't that keen on Appleton myself but the way people turn against people and display such obsessive toxic behaviour is the single most off putting thing about supporting a football team.

It's offensive behaviour and incredibly destructive, designed to destroy people in order to prove they were right and to get their own way. Appleton has had 3 league games. Buying a ticket doesn't entitle anyone to be abusive. If we lost the next 20 games, abuse would not be justified. Abusive behaviour is never ok and if it happens at the match its sure to happen at home and elsewhere.

Other people shouldn't have to suffer your misery. You shouldn't suffer it either. A football match is not a reason to get angry and abusive. Being abusive is never justified. Get some help if this is you.
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I'm not sure what you're implying. I wasn't abusive and didn't boo the players or anyone connected with the club yesterday. I'm simply stating that the appointment of Appleton has potentially created a toxic environment. Around me, there is literally no-one who wants him as manager. It's pretty unanimous. It's actually took me by surprise.
 
Adams Kebab said:
They knew appointing MA was a risk due to his previous gig here and Knob End connections but also his actual managerial record. That’s why we had the Armfield Club meet & the school headmaster letter to fans from Simon Sadler.
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Yes agreed, and the headmasters lettwr to me looks a bit weak. He appointed appleton and most people dont want him, thats no big deal, hes the owner and can make that call but doesnt need to lecture everyone about it
 
The problem with social media/public forums is that the more toxic, aggressive and unpleasant they become, the more the reasoned voices withdraw. This then creates the impression that the negative point of view is dominant and amplifies the opinions of what, in reality, is the minority. This is the case for everything, not just football.
I believe that the majority of Blackpool supporters are of sound mind and decent character, perfectly able to discuss, disagree, constructively criticise and deservedly praise as required. I hope that Simon Sadler realises this and will take the advice previously given that AVFTT and social media should be read more for amusement than inspiration. 😁🍊
 
CSSeasider said:
The problem with social media/public forums is that the more toxic, aggressive and unpleasant they become, the more the reasoned voices withdraw. This then creates the impression that the negative point of view is dominant and amplifies the opinions of what, in reality, is the minority. This is the case for everything, not just football.
I believe that the majority of Blackpool supporters are of sound mind and decent character, perfectly able to discuss, disagree, constructively criticise and deservedly praise as required. I hope that Simon Sadler realises this and will take the advice previously given that AVFTT and social media should be read more for amusement than inspiration. 😁🍊
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I think the fact they’ve been reacting to posts on here even wind-ups from SATW, is a bit of a worry to be honest.

Most football fans are beyond fickle, half the shit on here you have to laugh at & you can’t be biting to it all.

But I think the thing is, they are biting because deep down they know appointing MA was a big risk & he wasn’t wanted.

Don’t even get me started on 4 years.
 
Wizzerboy said:
1/ Bit ripe from you Tim after you lambasted the club over ticketing prices for away games on the last pod. Surely the "sandgrownun" has a say in that.
Aside that being verbally abused at the match face to face is out of order.
I'm grateful for all he's done but can't help think that he thinks he's bitten off more than he can chew.
2/ This is a culmination of a number of games and talking to someone in the ground today we agreed that whilst Josh is a cracking player and you always have the sence of anticipation that something will happen, it normally doesn't and for every Bournemouth goal you'll get 6 or 7 frustrating matches where you're pulling your hair out(yesterday being one of them).
3/ I'll admit I was royally pissed off with yesterday's performance, 1st half especially but didn't boo the team.

With over 50 years of supporting this club through thick and thin, mainly thin , I've seen some dross. I've also been on this board over the last few years defending Critchley and his tactics when things weren't looking too good as I could see what was trying to be achieved.
I even came on here and chatted to the lads in the pub asking to give Appleton time and not to take his short tenure last time into consideration unfortunately I can't see what Appleton is trying to achieve in the last 3 games and preseason, with the players looking devoid of ideas.

It's a sad state of affairs when you're only allowed to praise and not criticise.
I for one cannot see light at the end of the tunnel, some who always wear their tangerine tinted specks will always see it another way a la emperors new clothes.
I suppose the next 17 days will define our season, I hope, for the better.
#utmp
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I think everyone was critical of that performance , but there is a difference between being critical and throwing things at the owner who lets face it has only done good for the club. There is also a difference between being critical and booing the whole team . Booing only helps the opposition and I believe that most Blackpool players did their best ,even if its not good enough. I really think MA has the most responsibility because he probably told them to defend deep in the first half. Saying that we were muched improved in the second half and could have won it if we had got a bit of luck. I believe there would have been no booing if the first half had been played as the second half was ,even if we had lost the game.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Brentford are about the same sized club as us and have been struggling in the lower leagues as much as us in their recent history

I'm saying it's possible to do what they have done with limited crowds and potential

All this talk of Derby from the board was ridiculous at the time and the more I think of it the more it pisses me off

Nobody is expecting SS to throw 300 million at players, no one, not one single person !!
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Unfortunately neither Ben or Simon are great PR men. That’s not a criticism, it’s just how it is and you can tell that the whole media thing just isn’t their bag at all.
CSSeasider said:
The problem with social media/public forums is that the more toxic, aggressive and unpleasant they become, the more the reasoned voices withdraw. This then creates the impression that the negative point of view is dominant and amplifies the opinions of what, in reality, is the minority. This is the case for everything, not just football.
I believe that the majority of Blackpool supporters are of sound mind and decent character, perfectly able to discuss, disagree, constructively criticise and deservedly praise as required. I hope that Simon Sadler realises this and will take the advice previously given that AVFTT and social media should be read more for amusement than inspiration. 😁🍊
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This happened in the Stadium not on Social Media…?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Unfortunately neither Ben or Simon are great PR men. That’s not a criticism, it’s just how it is and you can tell that the whole media thing just isn’t their bag at all.
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I think Ben loves it. I actually think he thought he was some kind of hero to fans but it’s all gone a bit bent lately since his Critchley leaving interview and him telling us how we know what a Blackpool player looks like and who we would appoint as Head Coach.

To go over to the fans at Southport thinking you have some pull and sway to calm a minor skirmish down says a lot to me. What are you doing as a CEO there and who do you think you are 🙈

He’s gone quiet lately though on the back of the fans sussing him out.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
What have we become ?
1/Giving shit to the Sandgrownun who has repositioned his life to become our custodian and spent tens of millions so far and with more to follow
2/ Remonstrating with our best player because he fcuked up a chance
3/ Booing the team
We are better than this
Or at least we should be
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Well said Tim,

If this made the news, I for one would be embarrassed to be a Blackpool fan.
 
Wizaard said:
Except that we've changed our team, tactics and manager and the opposition are more settled.

By your logic, I'm presuming you'll be happy if we lose Tuesday night because we lost at Loftus Rd last season.
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It is totally impossible to miss the point I’m making more than that. 😂
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
What have we become ?
1/Giving shit to the Sandgrownun who has repositioned his life to become our custodian and spent tens of millions so far and with more to follow
2/ Remonstrating with our best player because he fcuked up a chance
3/ Booing the team
We are better than this
Or at least we should be
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I would rather these so called fans just didn’t bother coming to the game and instead spout their bile on here. Booing the players and shouting at SS is utterly pathetic.
 
CSSeasider said:
The problem with social media/public forums is that the more toxic, aggressive and unpleasant they become, the more the reasoned voices withdraw. This then creates the impression that the negative point of view is dominant and amplifies the opinions of what, in reality, is the minority. This is the case for everything, not just football.
I believe that the majority of Blackpool supporters are of sound mind and decent character, perfectly able to discuss, disagree, constructively criticise and deservedly praise as required. I hope that Simon Sadler realises this and will take the advice previously given that AVFTT and social media should be read more for amusement than inspiration. 😁🍊
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If you don't like it don't post on it
 
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It's not just football it's life, a generation of fans who believe they are entitled to do and say exactly what they want, with no thought for how their behaviour impacts on others. If people truely think that was shit, god only knows what they would have made of the Sam Ellis long ball 4th Division era or the Nigel Worthington , could football actually be any worse than this reign.
Give your frigging heads a wobble, abusing an owner throwing his own money at the club, fighting amongst ourselves in the South and North, booing players especially our best player because he had an off day, picking on Williams, not because he's done anything wrong, but because we lost and his family support Preston.
Three games in wanting the manger sacked because some didn't want him in the first place. " He wasn't my choice so we'll give him shit at every opportunity " very helpful that.
Best fans my arse, yes we generate a decent atmosphere at times and if you remember last season Critchley praised the fans for sensing the team needed a lift and helping them grind out a result at times.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and there isn't anything wrong with constructive criticism, he's shit because he's a nobber ####, is hardly Henry Winter.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
He’s already said he isn’t expecting to see any return for these capital projects so whether it’s shown as a private loan in the accounts for tax reasons is frankly irrelevant as no one is going to give him his investment back

What’s delusional is thinking any investment in a football club comes with an expectation of a return

Whilst I can’t say I know Simon that well I did spend many hours speaking to him before he made the decision to proceed so I think I’m better placed than you to assess his motives behind his purchase of our club and it certainly wasn’t to make a profit
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A private loan from who? Sadler doesn’t have that amount of liquidity.

He spoke to you for ‘many hours’, no he didn’t. You’re right when you say you don’t know him.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Not sure why the players were booed it looks like we had a go in the second half and had chances to win the game against a side who always dominate possession

Preston away was the last time I actually gave the players some shit at the end of the game

As for SS, now I'm torn on this as this pre season has been awful and the communication from the club just hasn't been good enough

He certainly doesn't deserve abuse from the stands however questions need to be asked as under his watch we have lost our head coach, struggled to get Rosenior over the line and then the club have fucked about all summer trying to get deals done

We have only played 3 league games, we have won one so the over reaction really is a bit pathetic

However

Out squad doesn't look good enough to play the wat the manager wants and I have doubts whether SS can support the club with the financial backing that we need to compete

I am disappointed as after all the years of the Oyston penny pinching we are still struggling to sign players

SS must have known when he bought the club that you don't make money on a lower LG football club unless you speculate some to have a go at getting promotions and we don't seem to want to have a go at that

I was hoping for more when SS came in

For every Oldham there is a Brentford
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But Phil he did speculate to get promoted from league 1 to the championship, and it came off in his 2nd full season. He’s also speculated to get the club from laughing stock to functioning football club. He’s about to speculate a further £30 million + in order that the club can better develop its own players (new training ground) and increase revenues (new East Stand), with not much likelihood of getting a return (with the potential exception if he sells the club).
If he can’t afford to speculate heavily towards another promotion at this point in his ownership (when half the division is also throwing money at it) I think we should be ok with that?
 
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