Embarrassed

Qblock said:
But Phil he did speculate to get promoted from league 1 to the championship, and it came off in his 2nd full season. He’s also speculated to get the club from laughing stock to functioning football club. He’s about to speculate a further £30 million + in order that the club can better develop its own players (new training ground) and increase revenues (new East Stand), with not much likelihood of getting a return (with the potential exception if he sells the club).
If he can’t afford to speculate heavily towards another promotion at this point in his ownership (when half the division is also throwing money at it) I think we should be ok with that?
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He did in lg1

Now he isn't
 
southshorepool said:
Appointing Appleton has made for a toxic environment. Rightly or wrongly.
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Yes' you are probably riight. But, then again Sadler knew the feeling the fans had towards Appleton yet he continued to appoint him, and not only appoint him but gave him a 4 year contract. Yes, he is the owner and he can appoint who he likes, but don't get arsey whern the fans show their displeasure.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Brentford are about the same sized club as us and have been struggling in the lower leagues as much as us in their recent history

I'm saying it's possible to do what they have done with limited crowds and potential

All this talk of Derby from the board was ridiculous at the time and the more I think of it the more it pisses me off

Nobody is expecting SS to throw 300 million at players, no one, not one single person !!
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Brentford have been at it a while and has the London advantage. We are better off than most.
 
Wizzerboy said:
1/ Bit ripe from you Tim after you lambasted the club over ticketing prices for away games on the last pod. Surely the "sandgrownun" has a say in that.
Aside that being verbally abused at the match face to face is out of order.
I'm grateful for all he's done but can't help think that he thinks he's bitten off more than he can chew.
2/ This is a culmination of a number of games and talking to someone in the ground today we agreed that whilst Josh is a cracking player and you always have the sence of anticipation that something will happen, it normally doesn't and for every Bournemouth goal you'll get 6 or 7 frustrating matches where you're pulling your hair out(yesterday being one of them).
3/ I'll admit I was royally pissed off with yesterday's performance, 1st half especially but didn't boo the team.

With over 50 years of supporting this club through thick and thin, mainly thin , I've seen some dross. I've also been on this board over the last few years defending Critchley and his tactics when things weren't looking too good as I could see what was trying to be achieved.
I even came on here and chatted to the lads in the pub asking to give Appleton time and not to take his short tenure last time into consideration unfortunately I can't see what Appleton is trying to achieve in the last 3 games and preseason, with the players looking devoid of ideas.

It's a sad state of affairs when you're only allowed to praise and not criticise.
I for one cannot see light at the end of the tunnel, some who always wear their tangerine tinted specks will always see it another way a la emperors new clothes.
I suppose the next 17 days will define our season, I hope, for the better.
#utmp
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100% agree
 
southshorepool said:
I'm not sure what you're implying. I wasn't abusive and didn't boo the players or anyone connected with the club yesterday. I'm simply stating that the appointment of Appleton has potentially created a toxic environment. Around me, there is literally no-one who wants him as manager. It's pretty unanimous. It's actually took me by surprise.
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I'm not implying you were abusive. Speaking generally. I didn't want Appleton myself but I'll support him and give him a chance. What do these people hope to achieve?
 
Mr Tangerine Man said:
Yes' you are probably riight. But, then again Sadler knew the feeling the fans had towards Appleton yet he continued to appoint him, and not only appoint him but gave him a 4 year contract. Yes, he is the owner and he can appoint who he likes, but don't get arsey whern the fans show their displeasure.
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Where does this feeling against Appleton come from , honest question ? Because he played for North End like Tony Ellis ?
Because he left us before when he realised he had been sold a pup ?
You don't think he's a good manager and based on what ?
Second half thought we improved a lot yesterday and signs that things could get better with a couple of extra signings. This means BM backing in the transfer market, the man he helped appoint, not sure Appleton is the one discussing contracts, medicals etc.
 
yep, yesterday was desperately disappointing and for me there's plenty of reason for constructive criticism. But all three of the points mentioned in the o/p don't fall under that. Very poor indeed.
 
Very good post TAM. A club no longer built on sand with an owner with as much tangerine blood as any pool fan. Saw enough in that second half to believe results and performances will improve. Embarrassed by the booing, so many fans leaving early and abuse SS received.
 
Adams Kebab said:
I think Ben loves it. I actually think he thought he was some kind of hero to fans but it’s all gone a bit bent lately since his Critchley leaving interview and him telling us how we know what a Blackpool player looks like and who we would appoint as Head Coach.

To go over to the fans at Southport thinking you have some pull and sway to calm a minor skirmish down says a lot to me. What are you doing as a CEO there and who do you think you are 🙈

He’s gone quiet lately though on the back of the fans sussing him out.
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As you suggest, a hard lesson or two experienced lately, not least the 'Blackpool way" interview and yesterday's embarrassing scenes. Missteps aside, one thing I believe to be true is this. Over the last two seasons we've benefited from a support and matchday atmosphere that was a genuine 12th man. Often this helped make the difference to our results or at least squad morale, evenwhen the football was pretty dire fare. Somehow between fans and club we've dropped the ball on that one. Maybe it was timebound and just ran its natural course. I hope not, because when you're in our shoes vs some of the inflated budgets and big shot gamblers present in this league we need to squeeze out every little edge possible.
 
Well said ! If Simon reads this board I hope he realises that this is certainly a minority .

Have I been pleased with lack of transfers - not totally (although a couple of them in are quality ) . Have I been pleased with performance- not totally (although the second half yesterday was much better ).

Simon - thanks for taking the club forward , you are indeed one of our own and actually the majority of the fans wouldn’t want anyone else .

Blackpool til i die
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m going to try and be honest and balanced here, because there’s no point sugar coating these things. I’ve wholeheartedly defended the club and board over many things recently, but let’s be straight.

Yes it’s embarrassing, but it’s not unexpected …All of this was entirely predictable…

Top and bottom… Appleton was the choice that the board, including SS made. They made that choice (unanimously) in the full knowledge of how the fans felt. So I’m afraid to that extent they’ve made their bed …. And need to make it work.. (obviously most of us will put our feelings to one side and get behind the manager, but not everyone ) .. so It’s no good getting upset, because fans start to behave in an entirely predictable way…

Also I think we’ve lost a sense of direction and building something that came with Critchley.

The communication recently, both around Appleton appointment and also the recent Gazette piece has been poor.

The transfer dealings haven’t gone as well as expected.

The football up to this point has been awful..

Some of the ticketing policies are an added irritation.

At this point, the board / club have somehow got to re-engage and reignite the passion and direction within the fanbase.

Now that will inevitably come if the results start going well, but in the absence of the positive results on the field, you need strong passionate leadership and clear and honest communication about where we are going.

You can’t shut dissent down and you can’t hide away from it by telling people they are out of order or through carefully orchestrated invite only supporter meetings…. You must face your critics head on and make them a part of the solution…


As Fans though… We can’t ignore our own responsibilities and we are going to need to dig deep… we need to dig deep in terms of our emotional resources and get behind the team through a rocky period… booing and abuse will only make matters worse… And we also need to dig deep financially…. It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium…

So whilst I understand the gripes about Ticket Prices, people need to ask themselves whether they want Championship Football at a premium or L1 Football which is affordable.
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The ticket prices aren't the difference between championship football and league 1 football though are they?

They're maybe the difference between an Owen Dale or a Charlie Kirk and not. Or a CEO wage for example, or perhaps a few members of backroom staff.
 
Mark_GT said:
As you suggest, a hard lesson or two experienced lately, not least the 'Blackpool way" interview and yesterday's embarrassing scenes. Missteps aside, one thing I believe to be true is this. Over the last two seasons we've benefited from a support and matchday atmosphere that was a genuine 12th man. Often this helped make the difference to our results or at least squad morale, evenwhen the football was pretty dire fare. Somehow between fans and club we've dropped the ball on that one. Maybe it was timebound and just ran its natural course. I hope not, because when you're in our shoes vs some of the inflated budgets and big shot gamblers present in this league we need to squeeze out every little edge possible.
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I agree with that and I posted something Thursday on the importance of us backing the team as we can play a massive part.

Ultimately, appointing MA has sucked a bit of life out the fanbase. That’s where the ball has been dropped. He wasn’t wanted by the majority it not all of the fanbase was he? I’m going off people I speak to but nobody would have said they wanted him as new Manager. That’s why it was a brave appointment as yesterday highlighted when results aren’t right people remember never wanting him, which is daft btw but just the way it is.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m going to try and be honest and balanced here, because there’s no point sugar coating these things. I’ve wholeheartedly defended the club and board over many things recently, but let’s be straight.

Yes it’s embarrassing, but it’s not unexpected …All of this was entirely predictable…

Top and bottom… Appleton was the choice that the board, including SS made. They made that choice (unanimously) in the full knowledge of how the fans felt. So I’m afraid to that extent they’ve made their bed …. And need to make it work.. (obviously most of us will put our feelings to one side and get behind the manager, but not everyone ) .. so It’s no good getting upset, because fans start to behave in an entirely predictable way…

Also I think we’ve lost a sense of direction and building something that came with Critchley.

The communication recently, both around Appleton appointment and also the recent Gazette piece has been poor.

The transfer dealings haven’t gone as well as expected.

The football up to this point has been awful..

Some of the ticketing policies are an added irritation.

At this point, the board / club have somehow got to re-engage and reignite the passion and direction within the fanbase.

Now that will inevitably come if the results start going well, but in the absence of the positive results on the field, you need strong passionate leadership and clear and honest communication about where we are going.

You can’t shut dissent down and you can’t hide away from it by telling people they are out of order or through carefully orchestrated invite only supporter meetings…. You must face your critics head on and make them a part of the solution…


As Fans though… We can’t ignore our own responsibilities and we are going to need to dig deep… we need to dig deep in terms of our emotional resources and get behind the team through a rocky period… booing and abuse will only make matters worse… And we also need to dig deep financially…. It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium…

So whilst I understand the gripes about Ticket Prices, people need to ask themselves whether they want Championship Football at a premium or L1 Football which is affordable.
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I think that balances things really well Daz, the whole club from the owner down to the supporters is having a crisis of confidence at the moment and those that are really unhappy seem to want to be shouting the loudest. SS and Bullshit Ben need to sort out 3 players that Appleton wants and who will improve the team, they can't be ** about with offers. If they haven't got the money then just say so.

Football is fickle and it can turn on a sixpence. Human nature is to react quickly without any thought and that seems to be happening now.
 
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TwelveAngryMen said:
What have we become ?
1/Giving shit to the Sandgrownun who has repositioned his life to become our custodian and spent tens of millions so far and with more to follow
2/ Remonstrating with our best player because he fcuked up a chance
3/ Booing the team
We are better than this
Or at least we should be
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Absolutely spot on! Like every walk of life it is a vocal minority ruining it for the majority as per usual and I hope Simon Sadler recognises this before becoming disillusioned!! 😡
 
Mark_GT said:
As you suggest, a hard lesson or two experienced lately, not least the 'Blackpool way" interview and yesterday's embarrassing scenes. Missteps aside, one thing I believe to be true is this. Over the last two seasons we've benefited from a support and matchday atmosphere that was a genuine 12th man. Often this helped make the difference to our results or at least squad morale, evenwhen the football was pretty dire fare. Somehow between fans and club we've dropped the ball on that one. Maybe it was timebound and just ran its natural course. I hope not, because when you're in our shoes vs some of the inflated budgets and big shot gamblers present in this league we need to squeeze out every little edge possible.
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Very true - even under some of Critchleys poor decisions and awful football , we were still the 12th man and still applauded the team of the pitch - the players give their all for the shirt and sometimes it doesn’t go to plan - let’s not turn on them after 4 games (one of which we won , and two of which we could of won )
 
BISONS said:
A private loan from who? Sadler doesn’t have that amount of liquidity.

He spoke to you for ‘many hours’, no he didn’t. You’re right when you say you don’t know him.
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Bisons you really need to stop making comments about things you know nothing about as it makes you look foolish
You don’t know his liquidity and you certainly don’t know anything about how many times Simon and I spoke
 
hertfordseasider said:
I think that balances things really well Daz, the whole club from the owner down to the supporters is having a crisis of confidence at the moment and those that are really unhappy seem to want to be shouting the loudest. SS and Bullshit Ben need to sort out 3 players that Appleton wants and who will improve the team, they can't be ** about with offers. If they haven't got the money then just say so.

Football is fickle and it can turn on a sixpence. Human nature is to react quickly without any thought and that seems to be happening now.
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I think it’s important to say that whilst the reaction from the fans is to be expected and is all very predictable, that doesn’t make it acceptable or justified.

The new owner has more than earned the right to our respect and our patience and any new manager (once appointed) deserves our support and time to get his team right.
 
Philbfctrois said:
If its one or the other I would take Championship football over a 40 million quid training ground
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And that to me sums up a worrying minority of our fan bases thought process.
A club that has literally no long term investment or strategy in the whole of my lifetime should now throw all the owners eggs in the rat race to get in the premier league.
Amazing 🤦‍♂️
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
What have we become ?
1/Giving shit to the Sandgrownun who has repositioned his life to become our custodian and spent tens of millions so far and with more to follow
2/ Remonstrating with our best player because he fcuked up a chance
3/ Booing the team
We are better than this
Or at least we should be
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We also have too many keyboard warriors stoking the fire of discontent. They should be ashamed of thermselves but are probably basking in their new found notoriety.
3 games in on the biggest rebuild we have undertaken for 3 years, plenty of positives but they focus on their own agendas
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m going to try and be honest and balanced here, because there’s no point sugar coating these things. I’ve wholeheartedly defended the club and board over many things recently, but let’s be straight.

Yes it’s embarrassing, but it’s not unexpected …All of this was entirely predictable…

Top and bottom… Appleton was the choice that the board, including SS made. They made that choice (unanimously) in the full knowledge of how the fans felt. So I’m afraid to that extent they’ve made their bed …. And need to make it work.. (obviously most of us will put our feelings to one side and get behind the manager, but not everyone ) .. so It’s no good getting upset, because fans start to behave in an entirely predictable way…

Also I think we’ve lost a sense of direction and building something that came with Critchley.

The communication recently, both around Appleton appointment and also the recent Gazette piece has been poor.

The transfer dealings haven’t gone as well as expected.

The football up to this point has been awful..

Some of the ticketing policies are an added irritation.

At this point, the board / club have somehow got to re-engage and reignite the passion and direction within the fanbase.

Now that will inevitably come if the results start going well, but in the absence of the positive results on the field, you need strong passionate leadership and clear and honest communication about where we are going.

You can’t shut dissent down and you can’t hide away from it by telling people they are out of order or through carefully orchestrated invite only supporter meetings…. You must face your critics head on and make them a part of the solution…


As Fans though… We can’t ignore our own responsibilities and we are going to need to dig deep… we need to dig deep in terms of our emotional resources and get behind the team through a rocky period… booing and abuse will only make matters worse… And we also need to dig deep financially…. It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium…

So whilst I understand the gripes about Ticket Prices, people need to ask themselves whether they want Championship Football at a premium or L1 Football which is affordable.
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Yeah although it's disappointing to see idiots unable to understand whats actually happening, why we lost etc and throwing it all at Appleton for a missed pen or Bowler not passing etc....

It was pretty predictable.

I've defended the appointment and see the positives in it but some clearly made their mind up before they even knew he wanted to play a more positive style, wouldn't let the past go. He hasn't even got all his players in yet and some already judged him, despite it taking Critchley time.

But the club did know he wasn't liked initially, I wanted someone like Evatt as it would have given a feelgood factor and a boost for ticket sales.

The club said they knew what the reaction would be, but did it anyway.

Why they choose to underestimate or ignore the power of a feelgood factor I don't know.

People say we have some smart people running the club and we do, but to me I wouldn't have compromised on an appointment that lifts the fans etc.

But also why some fans can't just get over it I also don't know. It could still be a good appointment, but was never goijg to be a positive one from the off.

It's not the gripes for gripes sake about prices, its because it genuinely will affect people being able to attend, especially right now. I still feel the balance isn't quite right and we can probably get more in and make similar ish money, but the annoying things is they haven't tried that strategy.

If they did it for a season and it didn’t work we'd all shut up and say well we had the chance but people haven't supported it. Again smart people but there's smart way of pricing it and giving it a big marketing push, encouraging people to bring friends and family etc. That creates excitement too.

To fully capture the town and surrounding areas you have to create a buzz, you do that with players signing, a manager that gets people going, a price that fits the area and feels like value etc etc. Obviously results but the above allows you more time and support.

But once having got Appleton we then had to back him, yes we've got some good loans so far and Thompson looks good, but enough haven't come off and there may be reasons but ultimately just like when teams don't win the manager takes the critism, so can the people running the club when we don't consistently get people in.

Some fans need to have a look at themselves but the club also needs to get some of the managers targets or he isn't going to have the best chance to succeed.
 
Going Up the Pool said:
This isn't about Appleton. Would have been the same with Rosenior or Quitchley.

This 'It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium' is all wrong.

We can, there just needs to be a realistic approach. This is a long term plan. Appleton has only been in charge for 3 league game ffs.

We just need to support the project, believe, be realistic ... and knock the senseless moaning on the head.
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Have a look on FB, this is very much about Appleton for many.
 
Philbfctrois said:
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It’s not a £40 million training ground.

It’s a fit for purpose training ground, a East stand that is an absolute necessity (as in the club has no choice but to build something) and a community facility which is quite frankly much needed in the area.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m going to try and be honest and balanced here, because there’s no point sugar coating these things. I’ve wholeheartedly defended the club and board over many things recently, but let’s be straight.

Yes it’s embarrassing, but it’s not unexpected …All of this was entirely predictable…

Top and bottom… Appleton was the choice that the board, including SS made. They made that choice (unanimously) in the full knowledge of how the fans felt. So I’m afraid to that extent they’ve made their bed …. And need to make it work.. (obviously most of us will put our feelings to one side and get behind the manager, but not everyone ) .. so It’s no good getting upset, because fans start to behave in an entirely predictable way…

Also I think we’ve lost a sense of direction and building something that came with Critchley.

The communication recently, both around Appleton appointment and also the recent Gazette piece has been poor.

The transfer dealings haven’t gone as well as expected.

The football up to this point has been awful..

Some of the ticketing policies are an added irritation.

At this point, the board / club have somehow got to re-engage and reignite the passion and direction within the fanbase.

Now that will inevitably come if the results start going well, but in the absence of the positive results on the field, you need strong passionate leadership and clear and honest communication about where we are going.

You can’t shut dissent down and you can’t hide away from it by telling people they are out of order or through carefully orchestrated invite only supporter meetings…. You must face your critics head on and make them a part of the solution…


As Fans though… We can’t ignore our own responsibilities and we are going to need to dig deep… we need to dig deep in terms of our emotional resources and get behind the team through a rocky period… booing and abuse will only make matters worse… And we also need to dig deep financially…. It’s apparent that we aren’t going to be able to fund Championship Football at Blackpool without paying a premium…

So whilst I understand the gripes about Ticket Prices, people need to ask themselves whether they want Championship Football at a premium or L1 Football which is affordable.
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Jaffacakes said:
Theres no point putting all that money in the east stand. Theres loads of spare seats at the games anyway so it doesnt make sense as we wont any additional income even though the spend on the east stand will be huge.
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As long as the money doesn't limit spending on the team thenits all good,we need it for many reasons.

Big games we can't capitalise, we will get big cup games at some point more big local derbies, you build for the future not right now, this is a plan for the next decades. We can't fully throw deals around like other clubs can.

We aren't maximising our potential yet, nowehere near, theres so much we can do with price, success on the picth etc.
 
td53 said:
The ticket prices aren't the difference between championship football and league 1 football though are they?

They're maybe the difference between an Owen Dale or a Charlie Kirk and not. Or a CEO wage for example, or perhaps a few members of backroom staff.
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Exactly, could easily cut somewhere, instead of 25 similar players have 20 slighty better and fill the other gaps with youth maybe.

Theres many way you could go with a lower price strategy, market it and create a real buzz that gets fans attending and makes up most of any shortfall.

Or like you say cutting 1 players signing. The affect of 12k pool fans imo is far more beneficial than 1 signing of 500k.

Invest in the fans....
 
TonyEllisTopBins said:
Has the football been awful though???? I’m not seeing a world of difference between last year and this…. Poor final passes and crap strikers tbf
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I thought we were as good in the 2nd half yesterday as we were as bad 2nd half against Reading. We could easily have been on 6 points out of 9 and we wouldn’t have had all this moaning!
A bit of business before the window closes and we’ll be fine.
Just think about Karl running the club then cheer up!
 
Some interesting discussion on this thread. I think the behaviour of some fans is totally out of order, but I also think it's a very small minority and I think SS should keep that in mind. I don't agree with the booing - it's ridiculous in fact so soon, but it's just a fact of footballing life; we certainly aren't unique in that kind of reaction even this early in the season.

I do kind of agree with the fact that the board appointed a manager in full knowledge that it wouldn't be popular - they even acknowledged it publicly. So if you're going to do that, the only way to prove yourselves right is to give him the tools to do his job. They knew he would be changing our system, and they knew the current squad wouldn't have the players to suit that new system. But they so far haven't been able to bring in the players to enable the change. There are two weeks to go to rectify the situation but as it stands, it feels a little like MA has been thrown under a bus tbh.

Regarding the mention of Brentford, I see no reason why we shouldn't be looking to use them as a template. As Phil says, we are a similar size club to them so why not? Incredibly, in the last 14 years they've never finished below 13th place in whichever league they've been in. That's superb consistency, although I'd add that they were in the championship for 7 years before they got it right, and we're only in our 2nd.

I also notice the question of the East stand rearing its head again. I can't honestly understand anyone that thinks we should forget that and focus on the team. It's total short-termism. We'll always struggle to support the first team without it. Remember, when we built the south we were not selling out the north and west. If we hadn't gone ahead anyway, we would've been playing premier league football with 7k home fans. You build infrastructure for what's to come, not for the present. Which is why the pre-let excuse was utter bollox and it has been proven to be.

I think we need to see what happens over the next two weeks. Take a deep breath everyone and give the team the support it needs.
 
td53 said:
The ticket prices aren't the difference between championship football and league 1 football though are they?

They're maybe the difference between an Owen Dale or a Charlie Kirk and not. Or a CEO wage for example, or perhaps a few members of backroom staff.
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The resources that come into the Club play a crucial part in ensuring we are able to fund our Championship status.

And with every respect we have way too many fans (much like yourself) who are happy to espouse the virtues of inclusivity and non-corporate policy, whilst simultaneously demanding signings left right and centre.

Seemingly great at spunking other peoples money.
 
Going Up the Pool said:
Sorry I won't look at Facebook. This site is as far as I am prepared to go down the online lunacy road/
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Well, these are some of the people we're on about, they don't come on here and are very shortsighted and can't let misconceptions go.

How some cant just say well he wasn't what I wanted but let’s back him fully.

These same people are probably the ones who bask in the praise we get as fans, to be the 'best fans' you have to do it under all circumstances.
 
Going Up the Pool said:
Sorry I won't look at Facebook. This site is as far as I am prepared to go down the online lunacy road/
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In that case, why come out with poorly informed comment then?

You make a statement that clearly has zero appreciation of the circumstances and the facts. It’s bloody obvious that sone fans aren’t giving Appleton the same time and chance that a different manager would get.

Plenty of fans had decided they wanted him out, before a ball was kicked and he was having to strip off at the Armfield Club to pacify our main supporters group… (possibly one of the most ridiculous things that had ever happened in our Club’s history, by the way)
 
BFC_53 said:
Some interesting discussion on this thread. I think the behaviour of some fans is totally out of order, but I also think it's a very small minority and I think SS should keep that in mind. I don't agree with the booing - it's ridiculous in fact so soon, but it's just a fact of footballing life; we certainly aren't unique in that kind of reaction even this early in the season.

I do kind of agree with the fact that the board appointed a manager in full knowledge that it wouldn't be popular - they even acknowledged it publicly. So if you're going to do that, the only way to prove yourselves right is to give him the tools to do his job. They knew he would be changing our system, and they knew the current squad wouldn't have the players to suit that new system. But they so far haven't been able to bring in the players to enable the change. There are two weeks to go to rectify the situation but as it stands, it feels a little like MA has been thrown under a bus tbh.

Regarding the mention of Brentford, I see no reason why we shouldn't be looking to use them as a template. As Phil says, we are a similar size club to them so why not? Incredibly, in the last 14 years they've never finished below 13th place in whichever league they've been in. That's superb consistency, although I'd add that they were in the championship for 7 years before they got it right, and we're only in our 2nd.

I also notice the question of the East stand rearing its head again. I can't honestly understand anyone that thinks we should forget that and focus on the team. It's total short-termism. We'll always struggle to support the first team without it. Remember, when we built the south we were not selling out the north and west. If we hadn't gone ahead anyway, we would've been playing premier league football with 7k home fans. You build infrastructure for what's to come, not for the present. Which is why the pre-let excuse was utter bollox and it has been proven to be.

I think we need to see what happens over the next two weeks. Take a deep breath everyone and give the team the support it needs.
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I agree with most of that, and yes some decent sane comments on the thread.

Only point I would pick is that it's easy to pick a Brentford or indeed a Bournemouth ... but they are the exception. We are at the start of a long term plan, indeed we may get relegated and need to come back up before we make real progress. I have real faith in SS's vision for the club.

I am sure MA knew that he was taking a challenge on and if anyone threw him (and us) under the bus it's Critchley. I rated him and assumed he'd be with us for at least a few more years. He has showed a remarkable lack of loyalty and honesty and we'll be paying for that this season whilst MA reshapes his team.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The resources that come into the Club play a crucial part in ensuring we are able to fund our Championship status.

And with every respect we have way too many fans (much like yourself) who are happy to espouse the virtues of inclusivity and non-corporate policy, whilst simultaneously demanding signings left right and centre.

Seemingly great at spunking other peoples money.
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But there are many different ways as proven by other clubs doing it.

It can work and it does generate more of a buzz if a lot more attend.

It hasn't been tried though has it. We haven't yet hit a price that'll generate buzz and gone all in pushing it.

Surely most would accept a full stadium even if it meant 500k less in the pot....?

We might have more money with even higher prices and less fans than now, but doesn't mean we should.

You're also then building for the future, more fans hooked more for Cup games etc.
 
JJpool said:
But there are many different ways as proven by other clubs doing it.

It can work and it does generate more of a buzz if a lot more attend.

It hasn't been tried though has it. We haven't yet hit a price that'll generate buzz and gone all in pushing it.

Surely most would accept a full stadium even if it meant 500k less in the pot....?

We might have more money with even higher prices and less fans than now, but doesn't mean we should.

You're also then building for the future, more fans hooked more for Cup games etc.
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We’ve got a tiny and extremely fickle fanbase. And I’m afraid no amount of fantasising or pretending black is white on your part will change that.

We couldn’t fill our stadium if we charged a quid a head.🙄
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
We’ve got a tiny and extremely fickle fanbase. And I’m afraid no amount of fantasising or pretending black is white on your part will change that.

We couldn’t fill our stadium if we charged a quid a head.🙄
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As I'm sure you know there's a pretty simple correlation, all other things being equal, between price and attendance.

So thats complete rubbish.
 
JJpool said:
As I'm sure you know there's a pretty simple correlation, all other things being equal, between price and attendance.

So thats complete rubbish.
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It’s not though is it….. Time and time again this town has proved that they won’t support this club.

Shit support for the last 40 years that I can remember. Even in the Premier League our numbers are pathetic.

It will take years to grow the fanbase and that will come through delivering consistent success on the field and not through the kind of B&M Bargains policy that sone of you want to implement.
 
Lala said:
We constantly boast about being the best fans, and sometimes we certainly are.

But, we are seeing some pretty embarrassing behaviour at the moment that’s making us all look totally pathetic by association 👎
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Never liked the self congratulations of saying we are the best fans, Newcastle fans traditionally say this about themselves and it makes me cringe.
Leave it to others to give praise if it is warranted.
On a more positive note Swanseas keeper was talking about the key moment when the penalty was saved, he said the home crowd were really getting behind them and the tide was turning.
I'd rather have crowds of 8000 giving positive vibes, encouragement and support than 12000 who start booing because it's 0 0 at half time or when we suffer a narrow defeat after they have put a shift in.
 
There’s a real risk in lowering the value of the product in the long term by going the way of bargain basement ticket prices. Cheap tickets coupled with 1 bad season could be an absolute financial catastrophe. It’s not worth the gamble. Not in our current position. Not without the stadium being able to hold much more than it currently does and therefore allowing the club to truly capitalise.
 
Fan expectations are too high

Since I’ve supported Blackpool fc I’ve always had the view that our place in the footballing world is 3rd / 4th division

We have too many fans who think we should be premier league

We are very fortunate to be playing in the championship .

We have a non league training ground and not a huge fan base in the general scheme of things

If people disagree with this so be it

Thankfully we have an ambitious owner who wants us to become a permanent fixture on the championship but we are not entitled to that nor should it be a minimum it’s a bonus

People having a pop at SS and the board need to get into the real world - yes we have great fans but so have Stockport county and they have been in no mans land for over decade .

As for the Appleton critics he’s done feck all wrong as far as I can see it since he came in

In relation to Ben Mansford he has his critics but they seem to base their views on supposition without any concrete facts as to what’s happened re the transfers etc

Get real we are BFC not Liverpool not Man City

We lost to Swansea City a big club

This sense of entitlement is ridiculous
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The resources that come into the Club play a crucial part in ensuring we are able to fund our Championship status.

And with every respect we have way too many fans (much like yourself) who are happy to espouse the virtues of inclusivity and non-corporate policy, whilst simultaneously demanding signings left right and centre.

Seemingly great at spunking other peoples money.
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What signings have I demanded left right and centre? I spend my life going "actually, I think Jimmy is pretty good" and "why don't we let the players who've got us here have a go?"

Don't make stuff up please.

We could do with a couple of signings. This is pretty clear. It's not out of line with what the club themselves have said is it? I would hardly describe that as 'demanding things left right and centre'

We've had compo for Critch, a few for Keogh and trimmed several off the bill. I think what I ask is quite fair actually.
 
AngelBFC said:
Fan expectations are too high

Since I’ve supported Blackpool fc I’ve always had the view that our place in the footballing world is 3rd / 4th division

We have too many fans who think we should be premier league

We are very fortunate to be playing in the championship .

We have a non league training ground and not a huge fan base in the general scheme of things

If people disagree with this so be it

Thankfully we have an ambitious owner who wants us to become a permanent fixture on the championship but we are not entitled to that nor should it be a minimum it’s a bonus

People having a pop at SS and the board need to get into the real world - yes we have great fans but so have Stockport county and they have been in no mans land for over decade .

As for the Appleton critics he’s done feck all wrong as far as I can see it since he came in

In relation to Ben Mansford he has his critics but they seem to base their views on supposition without any concrete facts as to what’s happened re the transfers etc

Get real we are BFC not Liverpool not Man City

We lost to Swansea City a big club

This sense of entitlement is ridiculous
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Out of curiosity what makes Swansea City a big club if we’re not ?
 
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