England v Iceland

Alan Smith an ex player and balanced pundit said of England`s performances" they have been very disappointing ,and we`ve lost our cutting edge."

Jamie Carragher when asked struggled to find any positives before saying the only one he could think of was Jack Grealish.I just happen to agree with both of them.

Unlike you they actually know what they`re talking about 20`s and what about that total bollux you came up with on my posted racing tips.You haven`t a clue.
Now I am going to have some tea and ignore all your bollux.You are by far the most argumentative poster on here.It`s jus a pity you talk such bollux as perfectly illustrated above by your comments on my racing tips.
 
As a patriotic England fan I'd watch my country play tiddlywinks.

I can't be doing with these fair weather fans, put your flags away and don't come back the lot of you 🥴
People like 50's are far worse than fair weather. It's just serious negativity from him all the time.
 
Alex Scott is on pundit duties tonight with her inane drivel so the match can't start quickly enough.
 
Alan Smith an ex player and balanced pundit said of England`s performances" they have been very disappointing ,and we`ve lost our cutting edge."

Jamie Carragher when asked struggled to find any positives before saying the only one he could think of was Jack Grealish.I just happen to agree with both of them.

Unlike you they actually know what they`re talking about 20`s and what about that total bollux you came up with on my posted racing tips.You haven`t a clue.
Now I am going to have some tea and ignore all your bollux.You are by far the most argumentative poster on here.It`s jus a pity you talk such bollux as perfectly illustrated above by your comments on my racing tips.
You absolute clown. Go and read my comments on the Belgium match thread. I pretty much say exactly what Carragher says. Go and have a look at how many 👍 on the point I made about Grealish. Oh and you still deliberately fail to address my two points about Germany and the Croatia game. I've repeated it enough times yet you seem to refuse to cmment.
What a thoroughly negative person you are.
 
More bollux 20`s,I have praised several of our current players in the past such as Maguire,Gomez, Kane,Henderson plus Bobby Charlton,Michael,Owen,Stanley Matthews.

Let`s hope we get plenty of excitement tonight just as the tv pundits said they`re desperate for,after all we`re out after this and it`s only Iceland and it`s not Covid ,just a game of football.
 
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More bollux 20`s,I have praised several of our current players in the past such as Maguire,Gomez, Kane,Henderson plus Bobby Charlton,Michael,Owen,Stanley Matthews.

Let`s hope we get penty of excitement tonight just as the tv pundits said they`re desperate for,after all we`re out after this and it`s only Iceland and it`s not Covid ,just a game of football.
Gosh that's a helluva lot prise for seven players spanning 70 years between them.

,,,,and you still fail to address my points about Germany and Croatia.
 
I was so weary of all your arguing and abuse that I couldn`t be bothered to even read them.

One fact which isn`t just an opinion is that you talked complete bollux about my racing tips on here which i have proved.I won`t expect an apology from you because you never admit you`re wrong ,however much bollux you post.

Anyway COME ON ENGLAND.
 
I was so weary of all your arguing and abuse that I couldn`t be bothered to even read them.

One fact which isn`t just an opinion is that you talked complete bollux about my racing tips on here which i have proved.I won`t expect an apology from you because you never admit you`re wrong ,however much bollux you post.

Anyway COME ON ENGLAND.
Can't be bothered reading but yet you reply. Yeah right. And you still ignore them.
If we lose tonight, you'll love the fact that you can be negative about it. If, we lose, I'm sure I'll be negative too. But that's the difference, you'll love it and I'll hate it.
And I've read the punters thread and you telling us about your successes. After they've run of course.
 
Let's face it, it doesn't really matter what happens between the summers of finals as long as we qualify, there's always been too much pressure on the team and manager, let them mess about, try different formations, lose when they shouldn't etc...as long as they're building for the two tournaments.
 
Hi 20s, sorry back, I only get on here a couple of times a day. Yes it's me, thanks for remembering. My original account mysteriously suspended a few months before the court cases, so ever since I've just been a reader. Then the new site presented a chance to both start waffling again, and make a shorter username!

Yes you're right of course. It's wrong to automatically link player's abilities to their wage, and offending to all concerned to suggest the high earners should win the game.

As usual I'm struggling to describe some of the deepest feelings I have about the modern game. And it's a worldwide problem I'm sure, but the football in our country (and by that I mean everything connected with it) is one of the best examples. And therefore the England team is the high watermark of that problem, because playing for country is and always should be the top achievement.

I'm a Blackpool and England fan, and nothing else, although I always drop a respectful nod to any team I consider are doing it how I like to see it done. Sadly these days there aren't many. Sports, maybe even outside sports as well, bemoan the lack of individuality, or characters, people you really want to get behind. Football's gone like that for me, and that does make me sad. Time was I'd have watched a game anywhere between anybody, and often there was a contrast that made it all the more interesting. Mainly now, everyone's trying to do the same thing, and it seems the higher up the structure you go, the more similar it gets.

Someone made an excellent point on here after we beat Leeds' kids. They've already been drilled into possession rigidity, and don't know any different even when they have to chase the game

That's throughout the game now, and it stops at England as they represent us all.

Possession play is great, I certainly don't want to go to other, less aesthetically pleasing alternatives. But if it's not done at pace then the game can, frankly, often become really boring. For many years now I've likened a lot of what I've watched, especially top and international level, to the tactics of Handball, with a team manoeuvring around the opposition area.

That's really what I was meaning about England playing lower ranked sides. Not an issue against the top ones of course, but there are now so many hard working, well drilled but ultimately limited countries, you're bound to meet at least two of them in any group qualifiers.

If we get shifting at speed they can't get near us, and we look as dominant as you'd hope. But if we get stuck in second gear, we can look very pedestrian and, sad to say, boring.

And especially since the addition of the newer nations, that's happened far too often to be able to overlook it. Sure we've won the game, more often than not, but if you asked me to summarise a lot of people's increased apathy to the national side, I'd guess it's the lack of invention and flair, even when we have won.

And I think that's where my thoughts on the salary comes from, I just expect better sometimes. Maybe I expect too much.
 
Hi 20s, sorry back, I only get on here a couple of times a day. Yes it's me, thanks for remembering. My original account mysteriously suspended a few months before the court cases, so ever since I've just been a reader. Then the new site presented a chance to both start waffling again, and make a shorter username!

Yes you're right of course. It's wrong to automatically link player's abilities to their wage, and offending to all concerned to suggest the high earners should win the game.

As usual I'm struggling to describe some of the deepest feelings I have about the modern game. And it's a worldwide problem I'm sure, but the football in our country (and by that I mean everything connected with it) is one of the best examples. And therefore the England team is the high watermark of that problem, because playing for country is and always should be the top achievement.

I'm a Blackpool and England fan, and nothing else, although I always drop a respectful nod to any team I consider are doing it how I like to see it done. Sadly these days there aren't many. Sports, maybe even outside sports as well, bemoan the lack of individuality, or characters, people you really want to get behind. Football's gone like that for me, and that does make me sad. Time was I'd have watched a game anywhere between anybody, and often there was a contrast that made it all the more interesting. Mainly now, everyone's trying to do the same thing, and it seems the higher up the structure you go, the more similar it gets.

Someone made an excellent point on here after we beat Leeds' kids. They've already been drilled into possession rigidity, and don't know any different even when they have to chase the game

That's throughout the game now, and it stops at England as they represent us all.

Possession play is great, I certainly don't want to go to other, less aesthetically pleasing alternatives. But if it's not done at pace then the game can, frankly, often become really boring. For many years now I've likened a lot of what I've watched, especially top and international level, to the tactics of Handball, with a team manoeuvring around the opposition area.

That's really what I was meaning about England playing lower ranked sides. Not an issue against the top ones of course, but there are now so many hard working, well drilled but ultimately limited countries, you're bound to meet at least two of them in any group qualifiers.

If we get shifting at speed they can't get near us, and we look as dominant as you'd hope. But if we get stuck in second gear, we can look very pedestrian and, sad to say, boring.

And especially since the addition of the newer nations, that's happened far too often to be able to overlook it. Sure we've won the game, more often than not, but if you asked me to summarise a lot of people's increased apathy to the national side, I'd guess it's the lack of invention and flair, even when we have won.

And I think that's where my thoughts on the salary comes from, I just expect better sometimes. Maybe I expect too much.
Not read your post. Will read at half time and get back to you.
 
They`ve played well so far but can they do it against the big teams when it really matters? Maguire excellent and Grealish certainly looks good.I couldn`t understand why Southgate dropped him . I`m not sure that Saka is so far quite as good as the pundits think.He`s very young and should get better but purely based on what we`ve seen so far.
 
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Should have been 4 or 5, the movement has been excellent. OK Iceland aren't the side of 4 years ago but we are making them look like complete duffers.
 
Hi 20s, sorry back, I only get on here a couple of times a day. Yes it's me, thanks for remembering. My original account mysteriously suspended a few months before the court cases, so ever since I've just been a reader. Then the new site presented a chance to both start waffling again, and make a shorter username!

Yes you're right of course. It's wrong to automatically link player's abilities to their wage, and offending to all concerned to suggest the high earners should win the game.

As usual I'm struggling to describe some of the deepest feelings I have about the modern game. And it's a worldwide problem I'm sure, but the football in our country (and by that I mean everything connected with it) is one of the best examples. And therefore the England team is the high watermark of that problem, because playing for country is and always should be the top achievement.

I'm a Blackpool and England fan, and nothing else, although I always drop a respectful nod to any team I consider are doing it how I like to see it done. Sadly these days there aren't many. Sports, maybe even outside sports as well, bemoan the lack of individuality, or characters, people you really want to get behind. Football's gone like that for me, and that does make me sad. Time was I'd have watched a game anywhere between anybody, and often there was a contrast that made it all the more interesting. Mainly now, everyone's trying to do the same thing, and it seems the higher up the structure you go, the more similar it gets.

Someone made an excellent point on here after we beat Leeds' kids. They've already been drilled into possession rigidity, and don't know any different even when they have to chase the game

That's throughout the game now, and it stops at England as they represent us all.

Possession play is great, I certainly don't want to go to other, less aesthetically pleasing alternatives. But if it's not done at pace then the game can, frankly, often become really boring. For many years now I've likened a lot of what I've watched, especially top and international level, to the tactics of Handball, with a team manoeuvring around the opposition area.

That's really what I was meaning about England playing lower ranked sides. Not an issue against the top ones of course, but there are now so many hard working, well drilled but ultimately limited countries, you're bound to meet at least two of them in any group qualifiers.

If we get shifting at speed they can't get near us, and we look as dominant as you'd hope. But if we get stuck in second gear, we can look very pedestrian and, sad to say, boring.

And especially since the addition of the newer nations, that's happened far too often to be able to overlook it. Sure we've won the game, more often than not, but if you asked me to summarise a lot of people's increased apathy to the national side, I'd guess it's the lack of invention and flair, even when we have won.

And I think that's where my thoughts on the salary comes from, I just expect better sometimes. Maybe I expect too much.
Yes a good post. Reading it and some of your comments about England sort of made me think you were talking about Blackpool at the start of the season. Plenty of possession but doing nothing with it. I also wholeheartedly agree with your point about the so called lesser sides. They are far more organised now and predictable slow possession football can make it very difficult to break down. But like tonight an early goal goes a long way to forcing these teams to come out a bit more and also just as important helps our players settle down with the pressure of needing to get a result. Grealish has come in and been a breath of fresh air like so many of us thought he would be. It doesmake me wonder why Southgate took so long to see it but maybe just saw other players ahead of Grealish in the queue for a place and he felt the need to be loyal to them. I'd also like to see him give Foden a good opportunity too.

As for the wider aspect of the game and certainly with regards to finance, well for me, it is what it is. Players get ridiculous sums of money but nowt I can do about it. If a club wants to pay a player x amount of pounds, well as long as they can afford it then why not?

To sum up, I love the game of football. From England to Blackpool to the PL to watching my youngest play locally from the age of four up til when he was 18 , I just love it. I'm fiercely passionate about it. And with that passion comes me being very opionated too. My love for the game won't diminish no matter for all it's supposed faults.
 
Foden and Grealish....two players that aren't zonal players. Allow them to go where they want and they'll hurt the opposition. Bog standard wingers can be far more easily contained. Yep, only Iceland but are we getting there.? The signs are good but for me it needs Southgate to get that flair into the team. It's not just about out and out pace, it's more about touch, and vision.
 
You can only beat what’s put in front of you but let’s not forget Iceland are the whipping boys of this group and are not P6 L6 without a reason.
 
Foden and Grealish....two players that aren't zonal players. Allow them to go where they want and they'll hurt the opposition. Bog standard wingers can be far more easily contained. Yep, only Iceland but are we getting there.? The signs are good but for me it needs Southgate to get that flair into the team. It's not just about out and out pace, it's more about touch, and vision.
It’s all about balance. Alan Smith just summed it up well. Options going forward, but weak at the back and workmanlike in central midfield. The issue is, of those last 2 things, the former makes the latter vital.

Going forward I think we’re much better than we get credit for. Lots of options to play different styles and different systems. Lots of players who can make a claim.

And I’ll have a tenner now on Grealish getting sent off in a crucial Euros game. 😉👍🏻
 
You can only beat what’s put in front of you but let’s not forget Iceland are the whipping boys of this group and are not P6 L6 without a reason.
Yep, and that applies in the World Cup but some wanted to diminish that achievement when we got to the semi-final at the last world cup.
 
It’s all about balance. Alan Smith just summed it up well. Options going forward, but weak at the back and workmanlike in central midfield. The issue is, of those last 2 things, the former makes the latter vital.

Going forward I think we’re much better than we get credit for. Lots of options to play different styles and different systems. Lots of players who can make a claim.

And I’ll have a tenner now on Grealish getting sent off in a crucial Euros game. 😉👍🏻
Yep, I said that earlier in the thread.
 
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