Feeling pretty low after that.

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Ginge

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We are a very poor side.

There are players who give plenty of effort but just aren't good footballers.

I don't think honestly, I've seen a worse team, apart from QPR, than us this season.

There have been bad times and good times before but to be honest Im extremely low right now.
Usually football is just football win lose or draw I usually see things in a good light, I can usually find a positive but I don't know what it is this time....maybe my age, I really can't put my finger on it......

Feel like crying ☹️
 
Ginge said:
We are a very poor side.

There are players who give plenty of effort but just aren't good footballers.

I don't think honestly, I've seen a worse team, apart from QPR, than us this season.

There have been bad times and good times before but to be honest Im extremely low right now.
Usually football is just football win lose or draw I usually see things in a good light, I can usually find a positive but I don't know what it is this time....maybe my age, I really can't put my finger on it......

Feel like crying ☹️
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I agree with that. There was a lot of almost play when stuff that looked promising would spoon away into touch.
 
Decent first half but pretty poor second half...were deservedly going down...I guess it will be Critchley and you may aswell announce it straight after the final whistle at Norwich and begin the huge rebuilding process that will be required...time for the board to step their game up
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Decent first half but pretty poor second half...were deservedly going down...I guess it will be Critchley and you may aswell announce it straight after the final whistle at Norwich and begin the huge rebuilding process that will be required...time for the board to step their game up
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I've got a horrible feeling it will be Critchley. Horrible, not because I don't rate him, because his appointment will divide the fans again.
 
We've definitely been a bit better under Dobbie but it's nowhere near enough.

I think the reason this season is so painful is despite only really competing at this level in about 6 of the last 40 seasons we've played we've very rarely been obviously outmatched by 90% of the league.

In league one/division 2 apart from the season under Colin Hendry we were generally "competitive". I can really only think of the season we finally went out of the championship around 2016 where we were this out of our depth and most of us weren't paying attention or invested by then.

A complete rethink is required and a statement of intent, we need to hear that the plan is to come back stronger as noone wants to knock around league 1 indefinitely, we've done that most of my lifetime.
 
Mark_GT said:
I don't want Critchley anywhere near our club after what he did.
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What he did?

You make it sound like he machine gunned down a group of old women in the West Stand, prior to taking a dump on the Stan Mortenson statue!!

He just got a better job and did what any other sane person (including all of us) would have done when a £700K per year contract was wafted under his nose.

Of Critchley is appointed (and he’s certainly an outstanding candidate) then we all need to get behind him… There’s no point doing anything else 👍
 
We got what we deserved.

A decent performance except for the obvious lack of finishing, and defensive lapses.

Injuries have scuppered us, but I don't think we can have too many complaints. Time for League 1 again,
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What he did?

You make it sound like he machine gunned down a group of old women in the West Stand, prior to taking a dump on the Stan Mortenson statue!!

He just got a better job and did what any other sane person (including all of us) would have done when a £700K per year contract was wafted under his nose.

Of Critchley is appointed (and he’s certainly an outstanding candidate) then we all need to get behind him… There’s no point doing anything else 👍
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I actually totally agree with this. He didn't do anything except take a better job, something many players over the years have also done. He was gagged for a set amount of time afterwards too by our board so he couldn't make a statement, when he could it was too late. Made mistakes yeh, sure he has but I'd take him back to rebuild us.
Ultimately though I don't think we will go for him because some of our fans wouldn't allow it to work which is a shame.
Get Wellens in or give it Dobbie and let them rebuild the team with their own players.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What he did?

You make it sound like he machine gunned down a group of old women in the West Stand, prior to taking a dump on the Stan Mortenson statue!!

He just got a better job and did what any other sane person (including all of us) would have done when a £700K per year contract was wafted under his nose.

Of Critchley is appointed (and he’s certainly an outstanding candidate) then we all need to get behind him… There’s no point doing anything else 👍
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It's just how I feel about it if that's OK with you x3. "I was on holiday" ffs. There is a right and a wrong way to leave any contract of employment. His was the wrong way and that could divide the fans, which is frankly the last thing we need after this abysmal season.
 
Mark_GT said:
It's just how I feel about it if that's OK with you x3. "I was on holiday" ffs. There is a right and a wrong way to leave any contract of employment. His was the wrong way and that could divide the fans, which is frankly the last thing we need after this abysmal season.
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I don’t agree with you, but I can’t tell you how to feel. I’m not questioning your right to feel or say what you want, I’m challenging you on your comments on this forum👍

I was on holiday too… I was disappointed… Right and wrong don’t really come into it tbh… None of us are aware of the specifics

We need mature men to be leading by example and showing the younger generation of supporters that attitudes like this are divisive and totally counterproductive.

It’s got completely out of control this season… A significant proportion of fans will always be disappointed no matter who the manager is.. We can’t be shouting for the managers head or taking our ball home every time we don’t get our way.
 
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Ginge said:
We are a very poor side.

There are players who give plenty of effort but just aren't good footballers.

I don't think honestly, I've seen a worse team, apart from QPR, than us this season.

There have been bad times and good times before but to be honest Im extremely low right now.
Usually football is just football win lose or draw I usually see things in a good light, I can usually find a positive but I don't know what it is this time....maybe my age, I really can't put my finger on it......

Feel like crying ☹️
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We needed our experienced players to stay fit to have had any chance of staying up this season.
I feel the same, gutted for the supporters, the championship is a great league to be in and who knows when we will be back there again.
Hopefully we build a good squad for next season and start winning again, that will cheer us up.
 
rememberlesshannon said:
I've got a horrible feeling it will be Critchley. Horrible, not because I don't rate him, because his appointment will divide the fans again.
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I'd bring him back as a No.2 for a nice bit of schadenfreude.

It suits him. And he's very good at it. And we could have an AI head coach who consisted of elements of Billy Ayre and Ian Holloway. It's coming so why not be the first club to do it?
 
Ginge said:
We are a very poor side.

There are players who give plenty of effort but just aren't good footballers.

I don't think honestly, I've seen a worse team, apart from QPR, than us this season.

There have been bad times and good times before but to be honest Im extremely low right now.
Usually football is just football win lose or draw I usually see things in a good light, I can usually find a positive but I don't know what it is this time....maybe my age, I really can't put my finger on it......

Feel like crying ☹️
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We've been relegated before. Felt easier because of what was happening with the Oystons.

We'll be back, next year or the year after. More fun getting beat 3-0 by Cheltenham in December on a Tuesday night anyway.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t agree with you, but I can’t tell you how to feel. I’m not questioning your right to feel or say what you want, I’m challenging you on your comments on this forum👍

I was on holiday too… I was disappointed… Right and wrong don’t really come into it tbh… None of us are aware of the specifics

We need mature men to be leading by example and showing the younger generation of supporters that attitudes like this are divisive and totally counterproductive.

It’s got completely out of control this season… A significant proportion of fans will always be disappointed no matter who the manager is.. We can’t be shouting for the managers head or taking our ball home every time we don’t get our way.
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I agree that the over emotive stuff isn't helpful overall, but I can't think of any business I've been involved in that would willingly bring back someone who had left in such circumstances. There would always be a question. I'd go with Dobbie straight away, give him the support he needs (an experienced no 2 if required for instance) and invest the saving made in the areas of our squad that so clearly need a reboot. It's plain that between underperformance, fitness problems and contract options running out, there is going to need to be quite an overhaul this Summer. The sooner we get on with that, the better. The best part of last night for me was seeing Brad Holmes come on and play completely with out fear. All of our managers this season missed a trick with reluctance to use our own young players. I think Dobbie would give them a go, and in the right way.
 
Mark_GT said:
I agree that the over emotive stuff isn't helpful overall, but I can't think of any business I've been involved in that would willingly bring back someone who had left in such circumstances. There would always be a question. I'd go with Dobbie straight away, give him the support he needs (an experienced no 2 if required for instance) and invest the saving made in the areas of our squad that so clearly need a reboot. It's plain that between underperformance, fitness problems and contract options running out, there is going to need to be quite an overhaul this Summer. The sooner we get on with that, the better. The best part of last night for me was seeing Brad Holmes come on and play completely with out fear. All of our managers this season missed a trick with reluctance to use our own young players. I think Dobbie would give them a go, and in the right way.
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Again though, you are using emotive language that simply doesn't reflect the situation... "Such Circumstances" ?

You've honestly never been in a business where someone has left for a better salary?

I don't think Dobbie is ready.... On the basis of the games so far, he's been outflanked in the Second Half in pretty much every game.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Again though, you are using emotive language that simply doesn't reflect the situation... "Such Circumstances" ?

You've honestly never been in a business where someone has left for a better salary?

I don't think Dobbie is ready.... On the basis of the games so far, he's been outflanked in the Second Half in pretty much every game.
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I've been in plenty of such businesses. You well know though that a football club and dare I say it, particularly BFC, is not your average business. Most businesses don't have fans. Most businesses get notice when a key employee is about to leave. The language isn't emotive unless you're looking for it. However it must be said that he buggered off without so much as a by your leave or a thank you and left us right in the shit 🤣
I doubt they'll pick Dobbie but I'd take a punt on him.
 
I'm liking Dobbie, he must have learnt so much from Holloway attacking minded, he has managed to get 5 or 6 players in the box on attacks, were under applecart and MM, there was usually only Jerry. If Dobbie had half a dozen better players to work with, I think he'd be good.
 
Mark_GT said:
I agree that the over emotive stuff isn't helpful overall, but I can't think of any business I've been involved in that would willingly bring back someone who had left in such circumstances. There would always be a question. I'd go with Dobbie straight away, give him the support he needs (an experienced no 2 if required for instance) and invest the saving made in the areas of our squad that so clearly need a reboot. It's plain that between underperformance, fitness problems and contract options running out, there is going to need to be quite an overhaul this Summer. The sooner we get on with that, the better. The best part of last night for me was seeing Brad Holmes come on and play completely with out fear. All of our managers this season missed a trick with reluctance to use our own young players. I think Dobbie would give them a go, and in the right way.
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Yes, spot on. What we need is a unifying candidate given everything that has gone on this season. I think we can all agree that can't be Critchley. Dobbie has impressed me with his team selection. I also like his style of football which we got a flavour of in the first half last night and we're by far the dominant team. Far more exciting and expansive than the safety first Critchley approach. It could easily have been 3-0 at HT if we had taken our gilt edged chances...
 
Had that team played since Jan 1, we wouldn't be relegated. And that's without mentioning a couple of the injured players who would have played big parts.

Nervous finishing and nervous defending seen last night would have been out the system long ago.

Dissecting the fundamental reasons for failure have been done to death and no doubt the dead horse will be flogged again, but I can't believe SS can be happy to have a not too small %age of BFC's value wiped, nor can he look at value of money spent and then there's the some £7m revenue drop. So why has he allowed this? I can't get my head round that.
 
fcblackpool said:
Had that team played since Jan 1, we wouldn't be relegated. And that's without mentioning a couple of the injured players who would have played big parts.

Nervous finishing and nervous defending seen last night would have been out the system long ago.

Dissecting the fundamental reasons for failure have been done to death and no doubt the dead horse will be flogged again, but I can't believe SS can be happy to have a not too small %age of BFC's value wiped, nor can he look at value of money spent and then there's the some £7m revenue drop. So why has he allowed this? I can't get my head round that.
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"Allowed" it? That's not how it is.
 
voyeur said:
Sacked two managers at considerable expense. Suggests he really didn't want it to happen.
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According to the 'experts' on here. MA's contract would have contained a clause which afforded dismissal at minimal cost, not 4 year contract. And MM was a mutual consent officially, so we'll never know for sure on that.

A question if I may? when you lived in BR FY8 what number?
 
fcblackpool said:
Had that team played since Jan 1, we wouldn't be relegated. And that's without mentioning a couple of the injured players who would have played big parts.

Nervous finishing and nervous defending seen last night would have been out the system long ago.

Dissecting the fundamental reasons for failure have been done to death and no doubt the dead horse will be flogged again, but I can't believe SS can be happy to have a not too small %age of BFC's value wiped, nor can he look at value of money spent and then there's the some £7m revenue drop. So why has he allowed this? I can't get my head round that.
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I agree, we might have escaped relegation, just, without McCarthy.

The McCarthy system created unnecessary pressure at both ends of the pitch... The defence placed under pressure, because we couldn't afford to concede and attack under pressure, because they might only get one chance per game... Absolute madness, given the limitations of the squad.

That said, I'm not sure that relegation is necessarily something you just opt in or out of... It kind of just creeps up on you, especially if you have set the bar a bit too low. The McCarthy appointment was clearly done with the right intentions, but it was an absolute disaster .... Unfortunately though the dye was cast with the failure to recruit properly for this level and we always had a mountain to climb as a result.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I agree, we might have escaped relegation, just, without McCarthy.

The McCarthy system created unnecessary pressure at both ends of the pitch... The defence placed under pressure, because we couldn't afford to concede and attack under pressure, because they might only get one chance per game... Absolute madness, given the limitations of the squad.

That said, I'm not sure that relegation is necessarily something you just opt in or out of... It kind of just creeps up on you, especially if you have set the bar a bit too low. The McCarthy appointment was clearly done with the right intentions, but it was an absolute disaster .... Unfortunately though the dye was cast with the failure to recruit properly for this level and we always had a mountain to climb as a result.
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Yeah, I know what you are saying, but the warning signs have been there right from no real Plan B for NC leaving (he had a couple of good seasons so not really a surprise that teams come asniffin'). Then it got worse and you could see last seasons finish would be very difficult to match. You'd think there would have been a 'hang on a mo, we need to sort this' moment. Sacking MA in Jan and getting MM wasn't it.
 
fcblackpool said:
Yeah, I know what you are saying, but the warning signs have been there right from no real Plan B for NC leaving (he had a couple of good seasons so not really a surprise that teams come asniffin'). Then it got worse and you could see last seasons finish would be very difficult to match. You'd think there would have been a 'hang on a mo, we need to sort this' moment. Sacking MA in Jan and getting MM wasn't it.
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Unfortunately “The hang on a mo, we need to sort this’ moment is not quite so obvious as it should be… The lines between poor manager performance and limitations of the squad become blurred (falling between two stools etc..), the ability to measure performance of the team (and individuals within it) is difficult, because your ‘aim’ actually allows for losing around 50% of the time…

It’s a very different situation when your objectives are to finish at the top of the table and you’ve invested in Championship players, because things are more obvious…
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Unfortunately “The hang on a mo, we need to sort this’ moment is not quite so obvious as it should be… The lines between poor manager performance and limitations of the squad become blurred (falling between two stools etc..), the ability to measure performance of the team (and individuals within it) is difficult, because your ‘aim’ actually allows for losing around 50% of the time…

It’s a very different situation when your objectives are to finish at the top of the table and you’ve invested in Championship players, because things are more obvious…
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I disagree with you there. The lines weren't blurred, it just needed somebody to grab hold and re-evaluate where we were at. That's basic.
 
fcblackpool said:
I disagree with you there. The lines weren't blurred, it just needed somebody to grab hold and re-evaluate where we were at. That's basic.
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If finishing 4th bottom is your stated objective (acceptable performance) then at what point do you grab hold and re-evaluate?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
If finishing 4th bottom is your stated objective (acceptable performance) then at what point do you grab hold and re-evaluate?
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You grab hold when it's clear you are going to struggle achieving any objective.

Surely anyone with an ounce of brain would constantly look at whether what they wanted was on course. It was 100% crystal clear last summer it wasn't.
 
fcblackpool said:
You grab hold when it's clear you are going to struggle achieving any objective.

Surely anyone with an ounce of brain would constantly look at whether what they wanted was on course. It was 100% crystal clear last summer it wasn't.
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And if the objective is to finish 4th bottom or better, your recruitment hasn’t set the world on fire and you have struggled with injuries, but you remain 4th bottom or better ?
 
fcblackpool said:
According to the 'experts' on here. MA's contract would have contained a clause which afforded dismissal at minimal cost, not 4 year contract. And MM was a mutual consent officially, so we'll never know for sure on that.

A question if I may? when you lived in BR FY8 what number?
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