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Don't see the point really, they'll want him getting big minutes and we already have Dom Thompson (who I think will improve greatly under Critchley) and Hubby.

But if NC wants him I'll back it!
 
Same as above, I highly doubt it. Plays RB when we already have Gabriel and Lyons (unless one is leaving?), but obviously Connolly can cover there also.
 
TKL_Seasider said:
Doubt very much we’d want another right back with Gabriel and Lyons, plus Connolly and now Pennington as potential options

Priorities now central defensive midfield and the attacking third
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No sure about defensive midfield being a priority, we have Dougall and Trybull and Connolly who all play there.

An attacking midfielder, a winger and a madine replacement would be my targets
 
Could definitely see Lyons being off, he's simply too good for L1.

However, he's on a contract until 2026 so he won't go for cheap.

TransferMarkt has his value at 1,500,000 right now so with that contract length we could easily get 3,000,000 if not more plus a sell on fee.

It'd hurt losing him but turning a 300,000 investment into 3,000,000 is not bad business at all...
 
I guess a bonus is he hasn’t actually been here long enough to really create a bond with the fans so it won’t hurt like it probably would years down the line. And a decent fee would be a bonus.
 
Opinionhated said:
Well if Lyon’s does go for some serious money it may help the situation with Yates.
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Or if they both went it could fund an ever better side if we recruit right.

I'd rather see Yates stay, but the model is to sell on and reinvest.

If done right we can move up the ladder quicker, then we're able to afford what we couldn't previously and start from a higher base.

Look at how much Jerry cost for eg. If we reinvested well but with higher price players, develop them and benefit, then when they're sold it could be real big money, then you can build a great side.

Shrewd player sales is a way to speed up where we want to be, but it's relies on getting the replacements right, hopefully now we have the right people in place.
 
TKL_Seasider said:
Doubt very much we’d want another right back with Gabriel and Lyons, plus Connolly and now Pennington as potential options

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Gabriel, what's the injury situation? As a loan, this might make sense.

Pennington, like Connolly, is a "can play" RB, not necessarily one you'd want to play there.

Lyons can be played further forward, and NC might want to use him there.
 
Or we lose Lyon’s and Yates and don’t spend the money like last season. If they both go then I see us in a declining position and my thoughts about Sadler will strengthen.

Take a look back at the last 3 transfer windows, all in the Championship where we bought hardly anyone and spent fuck all, why should we suddenly be filled with confidence that this season is suddenly going to be better?
 
Unfortunately, I can see interest from either the Championship or even Celtic in Lyons. He showed enough promise at Championship level last season and will only get better. Nailed on to be a future Republic of Ireland international.
 
Lyons is a great prospect, but he can’t defend for toffee… The number of times he got caught out of position or failed to deal and block crosses and shots last season, undoubtedly contributed to our goal deficit.

He is, however a threat at the other end of the pitch and that’s going to get him noticed. Personally, I think a season in L1 will do him good, however if someone is willing to pay silly money for him, then it’s a position we can probably afford to replace.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Lyons is a great prospect, but he can’t defend for toffee… The number of times he got caught out of position or failed to deal and block crosses and shots last season, undoubtedly contributed to our goal deficit.

He is, however a threat at the other end of the pitch and that’s going to get him noticed. Personally, I think a season in L1 will do him good, however if someone is willing to pay silly money for him, then it’s a position we can probably afford to replace.
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Seems odd though to me and although the signing of Pennington was good news then selling Lyons would be bad, unless it was for substantial money that was reinvested back nto new signings.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Seems odd though to me and although the signing of Pennington was good news then selling Lyons would be bad, unless it was for substantial money that was reinvested back nto new signings.
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As I implied above, I wouldn't really see it as particularly bad as I'm not convinced he's actually that good at the Job he's supposed to be doing, which (on balance) ought to be more about preventing goals, than scoring them. People tend to overlook how weak he is defensively, because he gets forward a lot.

Sadler will always look to reinvest any surplus cash we might have and therefore I have no concerns at all on that front, plus we are well set up, from a structural perspective, to recruit for a replacement if necessary. So if we can get a decent fee, then I think we can probably congratulate ourselves on a decent bit of business and move on.... That said, I'm not going to put too much stake in the rumour at this stage, despite it coming from someone who has previously been known to have good 'intel'.
 
If somebody is offering £1.5-£2m, snap their hands off. He’s got his reputation because of his goals and half of them were in the freak QPR game.

As above, he doesn’t yet look a competent defender. Be more disappointed to lose a fully fit Gabriel.
 
Chrismalkin said:
If somebody is offering £1.5-£2m, snap their hands off. He’s got his reputation because of his goals and half of them were in the freak QPR game.

As above, he doesn’t yet look a competent defender. Be more disappointed to lose a fully fit Gabriel.
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Definitely not. I’d be really disappointed to lose Lyons who I think will develop well under NC. Gabriel is injury prone and he and Thompson could both be offloaded for me - not good enough.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Lyons is a great prospect, but he can’t defend for toffee… The number of times he got caught out of position or failed to deal and block crosses and shots last season, undoubtedly contributed to our goal deficit.
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Although a tad harsh, it's why he shouldn't be a LWB as advocated by many. He needs to settle in the RWB and learn the position.

I'd be very disappointed to see him go for any money. Would it be invested in the team? The Critch compo and Bowler money were no doubt spent, or rather, absorbed, but it's the first XI that should be the beneficiary. Too much doubt in my mind about the spending to even consider selling him a good thing.
 
fcblackpool said:
Although a tad harsh, it's why he shouldn't be a LWB as advocated by many. He needs to settle in the RWB and learn the position.

I'd be very disappointed to see him go for any money. Would it be invested in the team? The Critch compo and Bowler money were no doubt spent, or rather, absorbed, but it's the first XI that should be the beneficiary. Too much doubt in my mind about the spending to even consider selling him a good thing.
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I think the negative way you frame ‘investment’ is unfair and doesn’t actually reflect reality.

As I see it SS has a budget that he is willing to spend in ‘on average’ over the course of a season. If we receive incoming transfers, then (as I see it) that enables the budget to be increased….

However, I don’t think it’s quite as simple as £4M comes in and suddenly there’s a £4M hole burning in Simon’s pocket. Instead the money will be spent as practical on the right players for the right money, which is 100% the right way to go about our business.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think the negative way you frame ‘investment’ is unfair and doesn’t actually reflect reality.

As I see it SS has a budget that he is willing to spend in ‘on average’ over the course of a season. If we receive incoming transfers, then (as I see it) that enables the budget to be increased….

However, I don’t think it’s quite as simple as £4M comes in and suddenly there’s a £4M hole burning in Simon’s pocket. Instead the money will be spent as practical on the right players for the right money, which is 100% the right way to go about our business.
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But we haven't spent the right money on the right players. That is as clear as day.

I did say the money gets absorbed. Some went on players, some perhaps on Squires Gate, some on the admin for ongoing projects. It's what happens when money sits.

I'd much prefer an approach whereby we know Player X is going, we know the fee is going to be fas, £2m. We then search for a replacement in the range of say 500-600k and another to improve the team at similar cost and the rest gets absorbed.

The problem comes when it goes to the wire and we act like we were never expecting it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Lyons is a great prospect, but he can’t defend for toffee… The number of times he got caught out of position or failed to deal and block crosses and shots last season, undoubtedly contributed to our goal deficit.

He is, however a threat at the other end of the pitch and that’s going to get him noticed. Personally, I think a season in L1 will do him good, however if someone is willing to pay silly money for him, then it’s a position we can probably afford to replace.
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here i have to agree with Mary. He's still young and new to the English game but at this point in time he's a lot of work to do[ with Critch] on improving the defensive side of his game.
 
It's probably not that wise to judge our defenders' defensive capabilities individually from how they performed last season, given the mess of the collective. Marv looked a very different player from the player of the previous 2 seasons, for example. And Lyons is a young lad who was adapting to a highr level of football and did pretty well pretty quickly in a badly organised side. I think he will benefit from playing under Critch, who set us up much better from a defensive perspective.
 
fcblackpool said:
But we haven't spent the right money on the right players. That is as clear as day.

I did say the money gets absorbed. Some went on players, some perhaps on Squires Gate, some on the admin for ongoing projects. It's what happens when money sits.

I'd much prefer an approach whereby we know Player X is going, we know the fee is going to be fas, £2m. We then search for a replacement in the range of say 500-600k and another to improve the team at similar cost and the rest gets absorbed.

The problem comes when it goes to the wire and we act like we were never expecting it.
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It’s not ‘clear as day’ at all… In fact you (and me) have absolutely no idea whatsoever when it comes to the detailed in and outs of our transfer planning and dealings.

What is very clear to me is that SS is more than willing to bring in and find the targets that are identified by his team and that we will compete with other Clubs (if necessary) to get the players we want.

You seem to expect some kind of ‘instant hit’ player out / player in approach, but that’s simply not realistic.

You’re also making more ‘assumptions’ about how money gets ‘absorbed’. However, improving our training facilities or other aspects of the Club isn’t ‘absorbing’ anything… Those are expenditures that directly improve the Football Club… We may have been used to owners who view ‘decay and disrepair’ as a guiding principle, but that’s not how a Football Club should be run and these ongoing improvements (many of which are bringing up to date decades of degradation) are the foundations / building blocks for a successful club.
 
voyeur said:
It's probably not that wise to judge our defenders' defensive capabilities individually from how they performed last season, given the mess of the collective. Marv looked a very different player from the player of the previous 2 seasons, for example. And Lyons is a young lad who was adapting to a highr level of football and did pretty well pretty quickly in a badly organised side. I think he will benefit from playing under Critch, who set us up much better from a defensive perspective.
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A lot of the issues we saw with Lyons last season came down to poor decision making and basic ‘bad defending’ on his part… I’m not sure you can really shift the blame elsewhere to be honest.

That doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t improve under Critchley. You’d hope and expect that he will and if he can do that and continue to contribute goals, then his stock will rise significantly…
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
A lot of the issues we saw with Lyons last season came down to poor decision making and basic ‘bad defending’ on his part… I’m not sure you can really shift the blame elsewhere to be honest.

That doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t improve under Critchley. You’d hope and expect that he will and if he can do that and continue to contribute goals, then his stock will rise significantly…
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You could same the same about Marv, who also suffered from poor decision making etc last season, but not the previous season. Coaching and set up play a significant part. And the consequent confidence levels.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s not ‘clear as day’ at all… In fact you (and me) have absolutely no idea whatsoever when it comes to the detailed in and outs of our transfer planning and dealings.

What is very clear to me is that SS is more than willing to bring in and find the targets that are identified by his team and that we will compete with other Clubs (if necessary) to get the players we want.

You seem to expect some kind of ‘instant hit’ player out / player in approach, but that’s simply not realistic.

You’re also making more ‘assumptions’ about how money gets ‘absorbed’. However, improving our training facilities or other aspects of the Club isn’t ‘absorbing’ anything… Those are expenditures that directly improve the Football Club… We may have been used to owners who view ‘decay and disrepair’ as a guiding principle, but that’s not how a Football Club should be run and these ongoing improvements (many of which are bringing up to date decades of degradation) are the foundations / building blocks for a successful club.
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Firstly it is clear because we cocked up last season.

You say we've no idea about planning but yet say it's clear SS is willing to bring in etc. You've no bleedin idea if he's willing to bring in players identified as first choices.

As for instant players, wtf do you expect when you sell a massively important player? Some sort of 'one for the future' meanwhile the team on the pitch suffers. Give over. You bring in a player who is competent and will improve- sorry but they don't grow on trees or in your mind. They cost.

Again this money tree. How does SG get improved? From income to the FC alongside some from SS. Do you expect SS to pay for absolutely everything from his own pocket. Football income includes monies received from players transfers and in this case the NC compo which gets spent in more than one way.
 
voyeur said:
You could same the same about Marv, who also suffered from poor decision making etc last season, but not the previous season. Coaching and set up play a significant part.
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I’m sure they do, but perhaps playing alongside a quality player like Keogh simply papered over a few cracks where Ekpiteta was concerned? He obviously has some excellent attributes, but he was very ‘green’ at Championship Level (likewise - and expectedly so - Andy Lyons).

In Lyons case he’s got time on his side and so hopefully Critch can either set us up to limit his lack of competency or improve him through better coaching (ideally both really).
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m sure they do, but perhaps playing alongside a quality player like Keogh simply papered over a few cracks where Ekpiteta was concerned? He obviously has some excellent attributes, but he was very ‘green’ at Championship Level (likewise - and expectedly so - Andy Lyons).

In Lyons case he’s got time on his side and so hopefully Critch can either set us up to limit his lack of competency or improve him through better coaching (ideally both really).
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I am sure we will see improvement and I think Thompson will look better too.
 
voyeur said:
You could same the same about Marv, who also suffered from poor decision making etc last season, but not the previous season. Coaching and set up play a significant part. And the consequent confidence levels.
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Defence is a lot less about the four or five defenders in the team than many think it is.
 
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