Have we become too entitled?

Lytham_fy8 said:
Nope.

We should expect it but not getting it after one season isn't a reason to 'not bother' or accept that we're failures, that's clearly ridiculous. If next season starts like this season Critchley will be gone, Sadler has shown and stated he wants the Championship, I've no reason to believe he's lying, have you?
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That cosy table side “he’s back” chat gave me cause for concern at the time, and it’s played out as I predicted so far. Busted flush was the phrase I used I think.

I am still concerned he won’t act soon enough when this carries on and Coach Charlatan plays the time to gel cards next season having spent what money we do have on more of his picks.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I don't think Championship last season is a ringing endorsement.

Still no one wants to answer which of our players get in a top six side now.
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Good point
Just my opinion ( and since the original question from Chunky allows for loans) - I've had to take the liberty of including injured players mind.

Grimshaw
Husband
Gabriel
Lyons
Byers
Dembele
Rhodes

Apter 😁
 
Chunkylad said:
Interesting our perception of where we are?
If you look at Average attendances we are 7th in Div 1 and would be bottom 2 in Championship based on our average when we were last in the championship.

So pretty much where we are now is about right for our fan base.

You could argue that once the East is done and the training ground we could maybe push on towards 15k average attendance in the Championship and this season that would put us still in the bottom 3
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Don’t forget that we regularly refuse to sell tickets despite massive demand from away teams, thousands every season. That impacts on the average attendances
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Blackpool need fans like me. Fans like me turn 4k gates into 10k whether you like to admit that or not.
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I did as well….to the extent if we got a crowd of 6 to 7 thousand we were amazed….and I travelled a 120 miles there and back to be there.
…and have done so since 1977.
 
Seasider1 said:
NO, definitely not entitled, but looking at the players We have and wages We paying should definitely be automatically promoted and very least top 6.
However having the worst manager in league 1 we are where we are ...... not good enough and that's not being entitled.
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Worst Manager in league 1….try telling that to some other club fans in this division🤡
 
rememberlesshannon said:
So recruitment isn't very good ?
Grimshaw, Gabriel, Husband, Ekpiteta, Carey, Lavery, Beesley, CJ, we're all Champioship last season and a few the season before.
Quality costs
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Memphisboy said:
Don’t forget that we regularly refuse to sell tickets despite massive demand from away teams, thousands every season. That impacts on the average attendances
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Tam puts that at about a further 1500 lost sales to our average. Based on some teams selling out the East stand (won’t be many this season that sold out their allocation so that’s possibly optimistic?) so if we were 12k thanks to that we stay 7th.

In the Championship if we got 15k it’s still bottom 3
 
The opening post is about entitlement to a top 6 league position which is probably unlikely to happen this season. But many of the replies have "adapted" the debate to discuss an entitlement to entertainment, something which is easier to agree on. And most would probably agree that the club has failed to satisfy the need for entertainment for the last couple of seasons, maybe longer.

I want to make the point that it takes two to tango and entertainment will be determined by the interaction of both teams. When some teams come to Bloomfield Road and play their "low block" game and most managers (including Critchley and Appleton) talk about the "importance of the first goal", it would strike me that we are going to be watching cagey, defensive, error-prone football. Perhaps football itself (at our level) has a bigger problem, or at least the generally accepted coaching philosophy of don't lose/don't concede etc.

I have been underwhelmed most of the season and only two teams have impressed me this year. Both at Bloomfield RD - Derby and Peterborough
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I keep asking that, no one has answered, probably because it's 'none of them'.
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I think a more measured response is 'not enough of them' and not enough characters, as someone else has said. Gabriel (when fit), Lyons (when fit), Lavery (when fit), is also a pattern. Dembele.
Hence we are where we are.
 
Chunkylad said:
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If we went for it next season with pure positivity, let's say NC went, cheap ST deal, exciting manager known for exciting football comes in and of we did well in the playoffs or above I think we could be hitting around those 12k marks or higher, depending who is in the division.

In the championship, with a bit of effort and after a promotion with fans actually in attendance this time, we could be getting in the 15k range, which isn't a mile away from the bottom 7 and it's all about getting the most out of our money.

If the new stand was built of course...
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Not so sure about that, we're currently above the other two relegated teams. I've no idea how many teams bounce straight back but I bet it's under 20 percent. It took those lot down the road four seasons.
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let's not forget those two teams had points deductions and like it not that has a massive impact on more than just the games played.
 
JJpool said:
If we went for it next season with pure positivity, let's say NC went, cheap ST deal, exciting manager known for exciting football comes in and of we did well in the playoffs or above I think we could be hitting around those 12k marks or higher, depending who is in the division.

In the championship, with a bit of effort and after a promotion with fans actually in attendance this time, we could be getting in the 15k range, which isn't a mile away from the bottom 7 and it's all about getting the most out of our money.

If the new stand was built of course...
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Who is this exciting manager and why is he coming here,
 
20togo said:
let's not forget those two teams had points deductions and like it not that has a massive impact on more than just the games played.
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Maybe, but far fewer teams bounce straight back than don't I imagine.

Let's not forget we were utter wank for huge parts of last season which will have a bigger impact now than point deductions.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Nope.

We should expect it but not getting it after one season isn't a reason to 'not bother' or accept that we're failures, that's clearly ridiculous. If next season starts like this season Critchley will be gone, Sadler has shown and stated he wants the Championship, I've no reason to believe he's lying, have you?
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Is that a wise move though?

Potentially getting rid of Neil 15 games in or whatever would mean most decent managers are locked in at their clubs and to prize someone away at that time would be harder, maybe more expensive. Or we're limited to whoever is available at that time, as we don't tend to pinch managers like players, even though it's the most important signing and we should. You've also then got a new guy arriving with no window to sign their own players, making it harder to succeed.

The summer is the best time for a change, plenty of time to decide and target people. We actually then can have real positivity and sell more ST etc.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Who is this exciting manager and why is he coming here,
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Idk the list but Pete Wild gets mentioned.

There's no reason we can't have the best of league 2 managers or even league 1 as we're a bigger fish here.

They're coming because we're a great club with good history, that pays higher than most in the league and want to go back up, have potential to grow as we're nowhere near our max yet, some big projects on the way and it's a great opportunity.
 
No, im not really arsed if were in league 1 or the Championship as long as we play attacking, slightly entertaining football, and after paying hundreds of quid for a ST maybe im ENTITLED to not be bored shitless most games
 
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I’ve always thought, based on revenue and how much SS is prepared to subsidise the club, if we get pretty much every decision spot on we’re mid table championship with maybe an eye on the play offs now and again.
If we get too many managerial and recruitment decisions wrong we’re championship relegation fodder/top half league one.
If we’re appallingly run we could be lower league one looking nervously over our shoulder.
So I think that sums up where we are now
 
As an aside, whilst at uni we did a study on wage bill in relation to final league position. If you place all 92 clubs in order of their wage bill, almost every club finishes within 3 positions of their wage position. But at any one time there will be a dozen or so clubs punching above or below their wage position (from memory we were one of those punching above, I think Crewe and Bury were as well). Leeds were punching below. However most clubs return to their ‘wage position’ within 5 seasons as the manager and/or players who made it possible move on.
I don’t know our current wage position, but would suspect it’s not far from our league position. Which demonstrates how important it is we get value for money from every player.
 
Qblock said:
As an aside, whilst at uni we did a study on wage bill in relation to final league position. If you place all 92 clubs in order of their wage bill, almost every club finishes within 3 positions of their wage position. But at any one time there will be a dozen or so clubs punching above or below their wage position (from memory we were one of those punching above, I think Crewe and Bury were as well). Leeds were punching below. However most clubs return to their ‘wage position’ within 5 seasons as the manager and/or players who made it possible move on.
I don’t know our current wage position, but would suspect it’s not far from our league position. Which demonstrates how important it is we get value for money from every player.
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I find that fascinating and in a way mirrors the average attendance (meaning revenue). In the rapey years barring Belekon we sat in Div 2 and lower Div 1 as attendance and wages spent were lower.
 
I expect us to be a yoyo team between league 1 and the championship over the the next maybe 5/6 years. I can accept us not getting in the play offs if we play entertaining football and have a go, that’s what we go for entertainment, what we see every week is not that, that’s my biggest issue, we’ve had back to back seasons of really poor football bar the odd game.
 
'Britain's capital of fun' is how Visit Blackpool describe the town. That's the Blackpool Way, how we perceive ourselves. It feels like Bloomers has been towed to the other end of the M55, into a world of grey.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Bollox. Dembele gets in ahead of anyone that played in that side.
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It would have been Dembele up against Keshi or Hamilton when he was fit and causing chaos (hard to believe that ever happened now?).

I’d have chosen Keshi who was more consistent over Dembele which is why I have him on the bench as a game changer (just my opinion).

To be ‘bollox’ who else barring Dembele (who I said would be my only one)?
 
Chunkylad said:
It would have been Dembele up against Keshi or Hamilton when he was fit and causing chaos (hard to believe that ever happened now?).

I’d have chosen Keshi who was more consistent over Dembele which is why I have him on the bench as a game changer (just my opinion).

To be ‘bollox’ who else barring Dembele (who I said would be my only one)?
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Hamilton didn't cause "chaos" don't re-write history, he had a handful of good games at the start of the season but bar that he wasn't anything special. He wasn't even in the team for most of the season. It was Mitchell and Embleton.

Dembele would start over Anderson and Hamilton every single day until the son dies.

Dembele has 6 goals in 35 games with 11 assists.
CJ had 5 goals and 3 assists in 22 games. Not bad goal return in his only real purple patch for us.
Anderson had 2 goals in 17 games....????
 
Chunkylad said:
Don’t like it myself - although two of three teams promoted last season from Div 1 deployed it in their promotion season. I doubt their fans felt insulted?
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I'm sure they didn't play Connolly at left wing back, Virtue at right wing back, CJ as a wing back, Husband as a centre half, etc. I also doubt those teams play a defensive line line that is so easily exposed by simple balls over the top.

It's an absolute car crash and reminds me of kids football.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
I'm sure they didn't play Connolly at left wing back, Virtue at right wing back, CJ as a wing back, Husband as a centre half, etc. I also doubt those teams play a defensive line line that is so easily exposed by simple balls over the top.

It's an absolute car crash and reminds me of kids football.
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However you didn’t say that did you? You said the formation was an insult.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Hamilton didn't cause "chaos" don't re-write history, he had a handful of good games at the start of the season but bar that he wasn't anything special. He wasn't even in the team for most of the season. It was Mitchell and Embleton.

Dembele would start over Anderson and Hamilton every single day until the son dies.

Dembele has 6 goals in 35 games with 11 assists.
CJ had 5 goals and 3 assists in 22 games. Not bad goal return in his only real purple patch for us.
Anderson had 2 goals in 17 games....????
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So I’ll concede to Dembele starting. Who else?

My point is still that this squad is nowhere near as good as 2020/21. You could argue for Rhodes but is this seasons Rhodes more effective than Yates was? Any of the other strikers as effective as Simms or Madine?

Any midfielders as good as King Kenny or Super Kev Stewart?

Hamilton was injured for a long period that season. I remember the excitement on the train that Hamilton might be ready for the game.
 
Chunkylad said:
However you didn’t say that did you? You said the formation was an insult.
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The formation is boring as who wants to see 3 centre halves. If you then add Critchley's management of the said formation, it has been and will continue to be a recipe for disaster.

3-5-2 is not the Blackpool way and I will continue to boycott until Critchley changes the formation or he leaves.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
The formation is boring as who wants to see 3 centre halves. If you then add Critchley's management of the said formation, it has been and will continue to be a recipe for disaster.

3-5-2 is not the Blackpool way and I will continue to boycott until Critchley changes the formation or he leaves.
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Apparently the 'Blackpool way' is boycotting every time you disagree with the formation.
 
There is definitely a section of the fanbase that have become quite entitled. We’re where we deserve to be. That being said, there are lots of things wrong at the club at the moment. One of my main gripes at the moment is how unattractive it is to support us at the moment. I honestly think we need to do more to make the club trendier for youngsters to support. A new PA, new pre-game music that appeals to younger generations, new match day announcer who can actually get a crowd going…just to name three. At the moment it all feels so stale and we’re years behind other clubs in terms of infrastructure. There’s so much work to do to get the club anywhere close to being a stable championship club - at the moment it’s pie in the sky. People need to temper their expectations and admit that we’re going to be in League One for a fair while.
 
The league position doesn't really bother me. The numbingly awful style of play that Critchley has served up all season does worry me. It actually makes me not want to watch it's so boring.
 
kerrytangerine said:
I wouldn't say that fans are entitled, but I do think that many have unreal expectations. I actually think that Critchley has done well to get the current squad to the position it is in the table, notwithstanding the "boring" football according to some. On relegation, we lost Yates, Anderson, Rogers, Patino, Bowler to name but a few. Of the incomers, Rhodes started like a house on fire, Pennington is a plus, Morgan has improved, Dembele can be brilliant but is mercurial, and, since January, Byers and Coulson have been OK. Promotion material? I don't think so. I, for one, do not think it has been a bad season overall and I see it as a transitional season. The recuitment has to be better in the summer, that's for sure, if we are to mount a serious challenge for promotion. But it won't be easy; we are in no way entitled to be a championship side and with our low fanbase, will always find it hard to compete at that level. So, entitled, no; but I think a lot of the ill feeling towards the manger on here comes from those who never wanted him back in the first place and are not prepared to give him the time to put his "project" in place.
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Got it in one 👍
 
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