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LA1 Seasider

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1) Football isn’t as simple as playing your ‘strongest’ XI
2) Just because a player isn’t ‘out’ injured doesn’t mean they’re fit to play 90 minutes
3) Regardless of who you are the tactics of the opposition influences your own
4) Players don’t always perform well consistently
5) It takes time for professional footballers to learn tactics, patterns and to build relationships with teammates
6) 4 games isn’t enough for you to pass any judgement on the current system or squad
7) You don’t know any better than the manager

Oh and 8) Posts on AVFTT will likely upset the hard of thinking
 
LA1 Seasider said:
1) Football isn’t as simple as playing your ‘strongest’ XI
2) Just because a player isn’t ‘out’ injured doesn’t mean they’re fit to play 90 minutes
3) Regardless of who you are the tactics of the opposition influences your own
4) Players don’t always perform well consistently
5) It takes time for professional footballers to learn tactics, patterns and to build relationships with teammates
6) 4 games isn’t enough for you to pass any judgement on the current system or squad
7) You don’t know any better than the manager

Oh and 8) Posts on AVFTT will likely upset the hard of thinking
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1) Football isn’t as simple as playing your ‘strongest’ XI - I'd hazard a guess that it absolutely is
2) Just because a player isn’t ‘out’ injured doesn’t mean they’re fit to play 90 minutes - And?
3) Regardless of who you are the tactics of the opposition influences your own - Of course it does. But surely your primary focus is getting the most out of your own players
4) Players don’t always perform well consistently - Likewise some perform consistently badly. Yet still play
5) It takes time for professional footballers to learn tactics, patterns and to build relationships with teammates - yeah same goes in any profession. Essentially football is a pretty simple job. No brain surgery required
6) 4 games isn’t enough for you to pass any judgement on the current system or squad - Not really for you to decide. Up to the individual to decide. Many were calling us shit after 4 games last season. And we were
7) You don’t know any better than the manager - Sorry but I think in Appleton and MM's case we pretty much did so not always true
 
Macseasider said:
6) 4 games isn’t enough for you to pass any judgement on the current system or squad - Not really for you to decide. Up to the individual to decide. Many were calling us shit after 4 games last season. And we were
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But they also were in the league 1 promotion season and the comfortable championship survival season after 4 games.

Last season they just happened to be right.
 
Chopper_5 said:
But they also were in the league 1 promotion season and the comfortable championship survival season after 4 games.

Last season they just happened to be right.
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I was replying to the statement that you cannot judge a team after 4 games. I gave an example that you actually can, and be correct.

But obviously yes you can be incorrect as well.
 
Macseasider said:
1) Football isn’t as simple as playing your ‘strongest’ XI - I'd hazard a guess that it absolutely is
2) Just because a player isn’t ‘out’ injured doesn’t mean they’re fit to play 90 minutes - And?
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Just these two responses sum up the exact reason for my post.

You can’t play your ‘strongest’ XI and just disregard things like match fitness, sharpness, minor injuries etc. There’s a lot of variables, nuances and factors to consider that we non professionals can only try to comprehend.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Just these two responses sum up the exact reason for my post.

You can’t play your ‘strongest’ XI and just disregard things like match fitness, sharpness, minor injuries etc. There’s a lot of variables, nuances and factors to consider that we non professionals can only try to comprehend.
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If a player is hampered by things like match fitness, sharpness, minor injuries etc, then surely, by default, he's unlikely to be regarded as one of the strongest XI?
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Just these two responses sum up the exact reason for my post.

You can’t play your ‘strongest’ XI and just disregard things like match fitness, sharpness, minor injuries etc. There’s a lot of variables, nuances and factors to consider that we non professionals can only try to comprehend.
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Bollocks. Only a know it all who's spent too much time on Football Manager games more like.

Throughout the history of football on 10's of thousands of pitches all over the world coaches at all levels strive to put the best team they can out on the pitch. But you have decided that this is wrong to do.

You going to tell us about the variables and nuances of achieving an 8 dart finish in darts next?
 
Macseasider said:
1) Football isn’t as simple as playing your ‘strongest’ XI - I'd hazard a guess that it absolutely is
2) Just because a player isn’t ‘out’ injured doesn’t mean they’re fit to play 90 minutes - And?
3) Regardless of who you are the tactics of the opposition influences your own - Of course it does. But surely your primary focus is getting the most out of your own players
4) Players don’t always perform well consistently - Likewise some perform consistently badly. Yet still play
5) It takes time for professional footballers to learn tactics, patterns and to build relationships with teammates - yeah same goes in any profession. Essentially football is a pretty simple job. No brain surgery required
6) 4 games isn’t enough for you to pass any judgement on the current system or squad - Not really for you to decide. Up to the individual to decide. Many were calling us shit after 4 games last season. And we were
7) You don’t know any better than the manager - Sorry but I think in Appleton and MM's case we pretty much did so not always true
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Spot on Mac. 👍

It’s difficult for some to understand though.
 
Macseasider said:
Bollocks. Only a know it all who's spent too much time on Football Manager games more like.

Throughout the history of football on 10's of thousands of pitches all over the world coaches at all levels strive to put the best team they can out on the pitch. But you have decided that this is wrong to do.

You going to tell us about the variables and nuances of achieving an 8 dart finish in darts next?
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Yeah you tell Pep this next time De Bruyne comes on off the bench or Haaland is subbed off. It’s horses for courses and no course is the same.
 
Macseasider said:
1) Football isn’t as simple as playing your ‘strongest’ XI - I'd hazard a guess that it absolutely is
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Wrong - it's why England always struggled trying to accommodate Lampard, Beckham, Scholes and Gerrard in the same team (who were the best midfielders at the time). Invariably one or two of them was played out of their strongest position and often it didn't work very well, we won nothing and didn't get close despite having, player for player, a very competitive squad.
 
Macseasider said:
1) Football isn’t as simple as playing your ‘strongest’ XI - I'd hazard a guess that it absolutely is

3) Regardless of who you are the tactics of the opposition influences your own - Of course it does. But surely your primary focus is getting the most out of your own players
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Your responses to 3 and 1 contradict each other.
For instance, you may play a Nobby Stiles to do a job on the opposition's star player. He isn't as good as other players in your squad but he plays because he will do his job.

I don't want to go through all of the others but most of the ripostes are wrong IMO.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
1) Football isn’t as simple as playing your ‘strongest’ XI
2) Just because a player isn’t ‘out’ injured doesn’t mean they’re fit to play 90 minutes
3) Regardless of who you are the tactics of the opposition influences your own
4) Players don’t always perform well consistently
5) It takes time for professional footballers to learn tactics, patterns and to build relationships with teammates
6) 4 games isn’t enough for you to pass any judgement on the current system or squad
7) You don’t know any better than the manager

Oh and 8) Posts on AVFTT will likely upset the hard of thinking
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We’ll last season Dobbie picked pretty much the team most of us were suggesting for weeks & it improved tremendously. 😬
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Wrong - it's why England always struggled trying to accommodate Lampard, Beckham, Scholes and Gerrard in the same team (who were the best midfielders at the time). Invariably one or two of them was played out of their strongest position and often it didn't work very well, we won nothing and didn't get close despite having, player for player, a very competitive squad.
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I can't be the only one assuming it means the best 11 in their rightful position.
If we had 2 very good goalkeepers I wouldn't expect Critch to play one of them at right back and him still be as good. That's silly.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Just these two responses sum up the exact reason for my post.

You can’t play your ‘strongest’ XI and just disregard things like match fitness, sharpness, minor injuries etc. There’s a lot of variables, nuances and factors to consider that we non professionals can only try to comprehend.
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The strongest XI will also vary depending on the opposition. No team in any division will play the same team week in, week out.
 
"3) Regardless of who you are the tactics of the opposition influences your own"

So Critch was influenced to play one striker up front at home against a team who had lost their previous match 7-0?
I wonder how/why he came to that conclusion. It was obviously wrong as the display and lack of firepower up front proved.
 
Blackpool_Gaz said:
"3) Regardless of who you are the tactics of the opposition influences your own"

So Critch was influenced to play one striker up front at home against a team who had lost their previous match 7-0?
I wonder how/why he came to that conclusion. It was obviously wrong as the display and lack of firepower up front proved.
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yep, it's like the o/p is saying Critchley knew PV were going to sit very deep in their own half so he decided to play just one man up front.Basically we played with one ball in our half and they played with another one in their half. It was a very poor team selection which basically he did nothing about for nearly an hour. To some extent it was like Swansea against us the season before last. We conceded all the possession to them and sat deep but they never looked like scoring.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
14. No one on here has a ** clue what happens in the week on the training ground.
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Most of us don’t give a shite what happens on the training ground. It’s the end product on a Saturday/ Tuesday we’re interested in. If you take your car in for repairs, you don’t question the mechanic every day about how he’s going to fix it. You just collect it when ready and hope he knew what he was doing and it’s running smoothly.
 
Dave62 said:
13. Don't agree with booing players off at HT (non productive), or calling out individual players for a shite performance, but when the team performance is as dire as it was on Tuesday, it's reasonable to say so on a football message board.
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I have it on very good authority that once Critchley has finished collecting the cones after training he has all the players, staff and board members gathered around his phone to read AVFTT.

Sometimes there are tears. Sonny Carey has asked not to be picked again as he's very sensitive to any criticism. Marv is receiving therapy and CJ is now having Shoot delivered twice a week.

Then they go to PNEOnline where they all hope the locals are taking the piss out of AVFTT just to cheer them up.
 
Blackpool_Gaz said:
"3) Regardless of who you are the tactics of the opposition influences your own"

So Critch was influenced to play one striker up front at home against a team who had lost their previous match 7-0?
I wonder how/why he came to that conclusion. It was obviously wrong as the display and lack of firepower up front proved.
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They hadn’t lost their previous match 7-0. They lost their opening match 7-0 - and as you’d probably expect played slightly differently as a result !
 
Look at Critchley‘s first campaign in league 1, after 10 games we were struggling, yet at the end of the season we were promoted and for most of the second half of the season the Seasiders were the best team in the league.
 
Charlie Gracie said:
Look at Critchley‘s first campaign in league 1, after 10 games we were struggling, yet at the end of the season we were promoted and for most of the second half of the season the Seasiders were the best team in the league.
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So everything remained the same after those 10 games? Nothing changed?
 
16…just because NC got us promoted from league 1 in the past , doesn’t mean it’s a gimme he’ll help achieve this again…if he is the tactical genius that some on here claim ..why was he unemployed? 😎
 
I watched Episode 3 of the “Dingles copy Wrexham” doc last night

Kompany spent a long time going through the tactics that work and don’t work vs WBA and showed a lot of footage of games (both their own and WBA) to the players to explain this. He drilled changes on the pitch then to adapt to this coming match.

At that point of the season, Burnley were top and heading for promotion but were still taking a clearly pragmatic approach. He also said behind the scenes that WBA didn’t suit his style of play or team. This was a team who had just won ten games in a row and he didn’t expect too much as it didn’t fit his team?

Read into that as you wish, but maybe PV didn’t fit us well and the challenge was to not lose? If one of those half chances we created had been finished we may have won at a canter?
Or we may have bored the fans regardless of line up as Vale came to spoil
 
Killingmesoftly said:
16…just because NC got us promoted from league 1 in the past , doesn’t mean it’s a gimme he’ll help achieve this again…if he is the tactical genius that some on here claim ..why was he unemployed? 😎
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Not sure that works very well?
Mourinho has seen his fair share of sackings and failures. Yet at some clubs he seems to just fit?
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Wrong - it's why England always struggled trying to accommodate Lampard, Beckham, Scholes and Gerrard in the same team (who were the best midfielders at the time). Invariably one or two of them was played out of their strongest position and often it didn't work very well, we won nothing and didn't get close despite having, player for player, a very competitive squad.
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Who said your best 11 had to be the same players every week? I didn't.

And using a national team makes no sense as it's a collective of individuals from different clubs that play no more than a handful of games every year.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Your responses to 3 and 1 contradict each other.
For instance, you may play a Nobby Stiles to do a job on the opposition's star player. He isn't as good as other players in your squad but he plays because he will do his job.

I don't want to go through all of the others but most of the ripostes are wrong IMO.
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Contradict each other? What on earth are you on about? The suggestion for number 1 was that you don't always play your best 11. Yes you do. You pick YOUR best team you think will beat the opposition. You are making the wrongful assumption AGAIN that I suggested it would be the same 11 every week. Your BEST team every week could be an entirely different 11 based upon opponent. So in answer to 1 - YES you DO play your best 11 every week. The OP is suggesting you purposely wouldn't pick your best 11 for the job which is ridiculous.

For an amateur club it might be the same 11 most weeks. For the pros you match up your best 11 from the squad to do the best job against different oppositions.

Why are people so thick?
 
Tower_75 said:
I can't be the only one assuming it means the best 11 in their rightful position.
If we had 2 very good goalkeepers I wouldn't expect Critch to play one of them at right back and him still be as good. That's silly.
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Agree. Just an aside though; I think we have two evenly matched keepers at present.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Just these two responses sum up the exact reason for my post.

You can’t play your ‘strongest’ XI and just disregard things like match fitness, sharpness, minor injuries etc. There’s a lot of variables, nuances and factors to consider that we non professionals can only try to comprehend.
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You're wetter than an otter's pocket, what a terrible o/p.
 
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