If you are blaming Appleton then you are an idiot

We have seen good from Appleton and we have seen bad from Appleton so far, I'd like to think the last 3 games aren't really a reflection of the formation and style he wants to play and I have seen enough positives in the 4-3-3 he has played to make me believe that there is a positive direction he will take us in.

How we react after International break when we have more players fit is key.
 
Danny Ocean said:
At the moment we are in a transition phase. It has been Appleton's decision to bring in lots of young inexperienced players into the squad on loan from premier league clubs which is a very risky strategy given that we are also only signing inexperienced young permanent players to develop as well. Hopefully, the team will improve with experience and playing together, but at the moment we are woefully short of both nouse and quality. This may change when Anderson and hopefully Stewart return.
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I agree with a lot of that. The problem we have is that if we were in League 1, we'd have time to play them in and fix stuff. In the Championship we need to be at it from minute 1, and the lack of experienced heads to encourage and bullock those around them is costing us. Jerry is the only one who gets it, and he is alone. Our great teams of the past have had 5 or 6 leaders on the pitch, coaching is not all.

Unlike the experts on here, who I presume have bugged Simon, Ben and Michael's phones, I do not know where the blockage is. What I do know is at present, the manager needs our support, but he needs to pick teams showing effort in return. The team at times look like strangers to each other, normally a sign that they are having to play out of their normal coached roles. Michael needs to find a way to get points, the next few games are tough, and whilst Critchley always did better against better teams, I think those days have gone ( and will be delighted to eat my words!!)
 
AmericanTangerine said:
We have seen good from Appleton and we have seen bad from Appleton so far, I'd like to think the last 3 games aren't really a reflection of the formation and style he wants to play and I have seen enough positives in the 4-3-3 he has played to make me believe that there is a positive direction he will take us in.

How we react after International break when we have more players fit is key.
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Yep some good, some bad but it started with a forced hand due to bad luck and some lacking recruitment missing key areas.

He could have changed it though recently.
 
JJpool said:
Yep some good, some bad but it started with a forced hand due to bad luck and some lacking recruitment missing key areas.

He could have changed it though recently.
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I would have liked to see a 4-3-3 with a midfield three of Carey, Patino and Dougall yesterday, but he clearly didn't think that it would have worked.

No excuses when more players are fit after break.
 
I remain unconvinced that we played with a back 3 yesterday. For all the world Hubby looked to me like he was playing at LB and Connolly didn't play like a WB. Now that doesn't mean the Manager didn't want to play with the back three it was just the players didn't go out there and do it.
Kenny had the most touches yesterday (very rarely is it anyone other than a full back) and his pass success rate was 49/55. I must admit that surprises me because I even call him "Careless Kenny". The problem though with Kenny having so much of the ball is he doesn't create anything and on top that he rarely gets a shot on target.
Appy has without doubt been poorly supported in the transfer window, one way.or another, so it hard to say where we would be if he'd got his main targets.
As others have said we desperately need an experienced CB to play alongside Eky.
I certainly thought we played better yesterday than we did on Wednesday.
It does amuse that we pin our hopes on first Hubby coming back, then it will be Gary, followed by Keshi, next Fiorini, Stewart and Beesley.
Why don't we bring back Virtue, Bange and Apter as they were all on the scoresheet yesterday.
 
Insider said:
I remain unconvinced that we played with a back 3 yesterday. For all the world Hubby looked to me like he was playing at LB and Connolly didn't play like a WB. Now that doesn't mean the Manager didn't want to play with the back three it was just the players didn't go out there and do it.
Kenny had the most touches yesterday (very rarely is it anyone other than a full back) and his pass success rate was 49/55. I must admit that surprises me because I even call him "Careless Kenny". The problem though with Kenny having so much of the ball is he doesn't create anything and on top that he rarely gets a shot on target.
Appy has without doubt been poorly supported in the transfer window, one way.or another, so it hard to say where we would be if he'd got his main targets.
As others have said we desperately need an experienced CB to play alongside Eky.
I certainly thought we played better yesterday than we did on Wednesday.
It does amuse that we pin our hopes on first Hubby coming back, then it will be Gary, followed by Keshi, next Fiorini, Stewart and Beesley.
Why don't we bring back Virtue, Bange and Apter as they were all on the scoresheet yesterday.
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I’d agree with most of that. I never pinned my hopes on Hubby coming back I just felt it might add some continuity to a back 4, not a back 5 or whatever it was supposed to be. Appleton has a few weeks to work on thing’s & get a few players match fit. I’m one for giving him time as was the case with our previous managers.
 
straightatthewall said:
No issue with the point about having a Bowler replacement ready - although perhaps that’s what Poveda was/is meant to be.

So you’d have let him go for free?
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Perhaps, but the model should be to sell one and get 2/3 who are ready to go who would improve the team.

The replacement at it stands isn't as good (obvious I know), so we are all round weaker which is the anti-christ of progress.
 
You could see in the last 5 to10mins on Saturday that getting the ball forward to CJ and Corbeanu or anyone else playing in those positions or through the middle, is all that was needed to create chances.

So we do have the players to create. The problem is with all the f@cking BACKPASSING from inside the opposition half all the way back Grimshaw.

Why is that still going on???

Appleton can sort that from the sidelines but it went on for 80 F@CKING minutes! 🙄
 
Philbfctrois said:
Missed transfer targets and selling off our best player on the cheap isn't down to the head coach

Plenty of time to get things right, we are no worse off than this time last season

However the cluster fuck of the transfer window with a lack of options in midfield and attack are currently biting us on the arse

Taxi for Bullshit.......
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No but putting all your faith in young players and asking boys to do a man’s job is. Plus not knowing your best team by this stage and constantly changing formation doesn’t help.
 
Torycorner said:
We sold Bowler (rightly so IMO) but we didn’t have time left in the window to get an Attacking Midfielder & Strike with the money.
Yes we tried to get a few targets in but they didn’t come off.
I know it’s depressing missing-out as we did but it wasn’t for the want of trying.
I still agree on going for “the player” we want as opposed to “a player”.
It’s time for “Unity” at our club at the moment not for “throwing toys out of the pram” and finding someone to blame.
I don’t like criticising the team but have to say we were nothing short of “awful” against Rotherham.
I didn’t see yesterdays game as I was at Trent bridge for cricket, but I have heard we were a “little less awful”.
Anyone can beat anyone in the Championship, we are certainly having a “bad patch” but let’s stay strong and together.
If the board loses faith in Appleton he will be gone before the next window, but NOT after 10 games with 11 points!!
Give everyone a little more time but, if we lose the next five in a row, then I may come back “flying” a different flag” sooner than later.
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Not picking a fight here but it's not that cheap to offload someone who's on a 4 year deal.
 
Insider said:
I remain unconvinced that we played with a back 3 yesterday. For all the world Hubby looked to me like he was playing at LB and Connolly didn't play like a WB. Now that doesn't mean the Manager didn't want to play with the back three it was just the players didn't go out there and do it.
Kenny had the most touches yesterday (very rarely is it anyone other than a full back) and his pass success rate was 49/55. I must admit that surprises me because I even call him "Careless Kenny". The problem though with Kenny having so much of the ball is he doesn't create anything and on top that he rarely gets a shot on target.
Appy has without doubt been poorly supported in the transfer window, one way.or another, so it hard to say where we would be if he'd got his main targets.
As others have said we desperately need an experienced CB to play alongside Eky.
I certainly thought we played better yesterday than we did on Wednesday.
It does amuse that we pin our hopes on first Hubby coming back, then it will be Gary, followed by Keshi, next Fiorini, Stewart and Beesley.
Why don't we bring back Virtue, Bange and Apter as they were all on the scoresheet yesterday.
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To be fair Fiorini will be a massive boost to the team when he returns, he is the spark that is missing in midfield and he looked good with Patino for the brief time they played together. It's the number 6 role that is the problem. Stewart miraculously fit and injury free is the answer but we know the problems around that. The club have to get a proper number 6 in by the end of the January window, no excuses, they have failed miserably for 3 years though. Stewart was a risk and it hasn't paid off, Dougall & Connolly just aren't good enough. I am not convinced about Anderson either to be honest, he isn't better than Corbeanu that's for sure. Beesley is an unknown, some decent cameo performances so it will be interesting to see what he offers but certainly not pinning my hopes on him. Madine will pick himself but a front 3 means Yates is pushed out wide and he is far better in the centre, so again, not necessarily the answer. Wright is one who has come to the club with high praise but he has had a horrible injury that could curse him throughout his career, that is just rotten luck, I hope we have our players well insured!
 
911_Kirky said:
Isn't Appleton on four year deal? No way the board will pay him out!
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That may be a good thing though as managers don't get a chance these days and it takes time to mould the team and tactics you want. It's very easy come, easy go in football, it's all about instant success. He needs to be supported in the players he wants, once that has happened then he can be judged, but currently he is being let down. Give him this season, survival will be a success and then, hopefully he can take it to the next level.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
I would have liked to see a 4-3-3 with a midfield three of Carey, Patino and Dougall yesterday, but he clearly didn't think that it would have worked.

No excuses when more players are fit after break.
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Hockaday’s Quiff said:
He has been flanneled by Ben granted, but likewise part of the flannel. Apples is not going to progress us and I think decent results this season have been more of a mask to the reality. We have a 4 year contract to a jobbing manager who had been ‘let go’ by a league 1 pub team.
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Think we all got the flannel treatment off Ben ,did he not say on his interview they have scenarios if certian players/staff move on they have a go to list already prepared.Surely knowing this and Bowler's certain departure for good money,monies should have been released for transfer targets .the bowler money paying it back.
 
hertfordseasider said:
To be fair Fiorini will be a massive boost to the team when he returns, he is the spark that is missing in midfield and he looked good with Patino for the brief time they played together. It's the number 6 role that is the problem. Stewart miraculously fit and injury free is the answer but we know the problems around that. The club have to get a proper number 6 in by the end of the January window, no excuses, they have failed miserably for 3 years though. Stewart was a risk and it hasn't paid off, Dougall & Connolly just aren't good enough. I am not convinced about Anderson either to be honest, he isn't better than Corbeanu that's for sure. Beesley is an unknown, some decent cameo performances so it will be interesting to see what he offers but certainly not pinning my hopes on him. Madine will pick himself but a front 3 means Yates is pushed out wide and he is far better in the centre, so again, not necessarily the answer. Wright is one who has come to the club with high praise but he has had a horrible injury that could curse him throughout his career, that is just rotten luck, I hope we have our players well insured!
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I sort of agree.
Kenny is limited that's for sure. He's good defensively, strong in the tackle and if he can just win the ball and slip it 5 yds to a team mate, who can create something, he can be an asset. Like every single player in the squad however there is someone better out there.
I don't want to put your negative hat on but I have actually seen Wright play and to put it kindly "I'm not sure".
Ditto Beesley.
I can't even say I'm convinced yet by either Fiorini or Patino but I do think they will improve the more they play.
You can also put Corbeanu and Carey in that category.
IMO we need to consolidate with a back 4 including Connolly and Hubby at FB.
If we get into a winning mode we can bring back Gabriel and Thompson who are very similar, "exciting" "attacking" but careless defensively.
At the moment the "keystone" is an experienced, tall CB (leftie) to play alongside Eky.
I've always been a big Thorniley fan but he's another player that's been exposed recently.
Whilst like most people I always thought a CM was top of the shopping list I'd put that at No.2 on the list after the CB.
Worrying times at the moment but plenty of time to make the play offs (I've written off automatic though) .
 
NewburyOne said:
No I can't, it's just an excuse. Do we not have a development squad? Did we not loan out players? He's a fraud and needs giving the boot. Lincoln didn't want him, our players don't want him, not even all the board wanted him, yet because 1 man alone did, we are supposed to accept it? Rotherham was a disgrace, Millwall in many ways was worse. Get rid now before he completely undoes all the good work before him.
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This is a straight up lie. The board were all in agreement, well that’s what they told fans. Which, again, was probably another of Mansfords bullshit lies.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
This is a straight up lie. The board were all in agreement, well that’s what they told fans. Which, again, was probably another of Mansfords bullshit lies.
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Don't believe all you've been told, if you don't think some of the board had serious reservations about Appleton's appointment, I've got some magic beans for sale.
 
NewburyOne said:
Don't believe all you've been told, if you don't think some of the board had serious reservations about Appleton's appointment, I've got some magic beans for sale.
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I’m saying what Ben Mansford said infront of numerous fans, while sat with MA and members of the board.

I’m not saying it’s gospel - I’m saying it what’s he said.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
I’m saying what Ben Mansford said infront of numerous fans, while sat with MA and members of the board.

I’m not saying it’s gospel - I’m saying it what’s he said.
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I know what was said, it's the same rhetoric all clubs say when they appoint someone. They're not exactly going to say he was 3rd choice and 2 of the board didn't want him.
 
NewburyOne said:
I know what was said, it's the same rhetoric all clubs say when they appoint someone. They're not exactly going to say he was 3rd choice and 2 of the board didn't want him.
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Ohhhhh,

So, I’m “not to believe everything I’m told”, but you’ve no proof of “not all members of the board” wanting him, apart from the trusty old “all clubs say it.”

Mental.
 
With Critchley we brought in ( Div One and Championship combined)
Grimshaw, Gabriel, Ekpiteta, Bowler, Anderson, Yates, Lavery ( plus others)
The thing they all had in common, straight into the first team squad with an opportunity to develop and sell on.
This season Thompson and Wright, someone please explain our current first team policy.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
Ohhhhh,

So, I’m “not to believe everything I’m told”, but you’ve no proof of “not all members of the board” wanting him, apart from the trusty old “all clubs say it.”

Mental.
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Believe what you want, have a read of some of the other threads or further back on this one. I'm just not buying Appleton was 1st choice or unanimous, why would he be?
 
Philbfctrois said:
Missed transfer targets and selling off our best player on the cheap isn't down to the head coach

Plenty of time to get things right, we are no worse off than this time last season

However the cluster fuck of the transfer window with a lack of options in midfield and attack are currently biting us on the arse

Taxi for Bullshit.......
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I must admit when I did my predicted team I struggled who to choose.
 
NewburyOne said:
Believe what you want, have a read of some of the other threads or further back on this one. I'm just not buying Appleton was 1st choice or unanimous, why would he be?
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I don’t know - I wasn’t apart of the interviewing process.

But you can’t base a story on the evidence of “every club says that.”

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ItsGrimUpNorth said:
I don’t know - I wasn’t apart of the interviewing process.

But you can’t base a story on the evidence of “every club says that.”

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Well I can because they do all say that, show me one example of a club saying their new manager was anything other than 1st choice and unanimous?
 
NewburyOne said:
Well I can because they do all say that, show me one example of a club saying their new manager was anything other than 1st choice and unanimous?
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I’m not saying they don’t.

But you’re saying that the board didn’t agree unanimously without any evidence to back it up.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
I’m not saying they don’t.

But you’re saying that the board didn’t agree unanimously without any evidence to back it up.
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Yes, that's right, I'm confident that not all the board were as sold on Appleton as Sadler was. Ultimately that doesn't really matter, Sadler is the owner and gets final say, as is his privilege.
 
Insider said:
On this occasion I'm believing what I was told from the horse's mouth and my judgement is that I wasn't being lied too. .
What's the basis of your assertion?
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Fair enough, my assertion is based on what I've been told and the fact I'm just not having it all wanted Appleton, or at the very least didn't have some reservations.
 
Surely break clauses would limit the compo if he were to be poached Critchley style? Different with a relegation one I would have thought, but a 6 month one doesn’t strike me as likely.
 
Appletons team is about as inspiring as a plate of cold porridge.
No personality and I have not seen any football knowledge as of yet..... Pot him
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
I’m saying what Ben Mansford said infront of numerous fans, while sat with MA and members of the board.

I’m not saying it’s gospel - I’m saying it what’s he said.
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Not just Ben Mansford

SS said MA was the unanimous choice of the board

People on here need to stop the bs

www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk

Blackpool owner Simon Sadler expresses disappointment at negativity surrounding Michael Appleton's appointment

Blackpool owner Simon Sadler has expressed his disappointment at the negative reaction to Michael Appleton’s appointment as head coach.
www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk
 
Why does anyone have to be to blame? Yes we’ve lost two matches (and I went to Rotherham and was shocked by how bad we were) that looked a good opportunity to pick up points. But why when we lose a game of football do we straight away start talking about people losing their jobs?
Maybe lower mid table/relegation fight is where we are as a club at the moment?
Maybe we have an owner who, wealthy as he is, can’t afford the initial investment to buy the club, the clean up operation after the previous owners, the signings to get us out of league one, the £30/£40 million investment that must be made in a fit for purpose training ground and completed stadium AND an ongoing bankrolling of the quality of player who would help us be a better team at this level?
I think that’s where we are, and I’d suggest people get used to it for a couple of seasons. If we can stay in this division, or even better be competitive in this division, whilst the owner puts things in place that will allow the club to sustain itself for the medium term, then I’m happy.
That’s not to say Appleton is a great appointment ( we don’t know yet) or that there aren’t lessons to be learnt in terms of recruitment, but a lot of fans (or those self entitled ones on here) need to have a look at themselves. You seem to be very good at spending other millionaires money for them, which is probably why you’re not millionaires.
 
NewburyOne said:
Bullshit Ben didn't choose to play 5 at the back, Connolly as a wing back and coach the players. We look disorganised, confused and lacking in the basics. Yes, the recruitment was poor but to suggest Appleton shouldn't share the blame is idiotic. He's dull, uninspiring and lacks integrity and his reign can't end soon enough for me.
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Appleton wouldn't have been my choice but I wouldn't even be thinking to get rid of him now in the slightest.

You could fetch a new man in now and he could lose 3 on the trot and we would have 5 managers every season.

Chelsea have been very successful despite a lack of stability but they can afford to get rid of a manager and all his support staff every fortnight if they so wish.

We might as well get behind Appleton but certainly no problem in offering criticism of him or anybody associated with the club, this a football forum.
 
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