If you are blaming Appleton then you are an idiot

We have lost our best player are you conveniently forgetting about that to push your agenda against the head coach

We also had an abysmal end to the season
My agenda is to see Blackpool win or at least perform. Read my posts, I'm equally as p1ssed off with Mansford. Right now though Appleton has to work with what he has, coach and organise, he's failing. Do you see an aggressive attacking side? I've barely seen more than 20mins of decent football in any game this season.
 
Ekipeteta hasn't even got close to the levels of last season.

Gabriel has been very poor.

Yes Yates and Lavery are running their socks off but they are hardly pulling up trees creating or scoring. Headless chickens with very little meaningful service probably sums it up best.

Everyone just wants to blame Williams but the truth is most players have been poor. Now that can't all be down to Appleton but the defensive formations are, the lack of organisation is and during the last 2 games he's been woeful at spotting games drifting away from us.

I fully accept the board will give him time to shape the team but that doesn't mean to say we all have to agree with it. Tactically we are way below the levels of last season and getting worse, a good coach can make a difference, we don't have one of those though.
We are no worse than last season, you really need to stop making things up

Yates and Lavery were not free scoring last season either, under Critchley the majority of our goals involved either Madine or Bowler we have had neither for the last couple of games
 
Its quite simple to me

Appleton wanted several players that for whatever reason he's been unable to bring in to suit his system and style of play

Appleton hasn't been able to play his preferred formation due to a lack of personal

And that isnt the fault of the head coach

The club also decided to 'cash in' on Bowler and we have created very little since

Selling Bowler on the last day of the window was an awful bit of business, as its proving

So for all your sly comments and personal attacks you are just fcuking wrong
The lack of personnel is due to injuries and suspensions, is it not?

Appleton has signed Fiorini, Patino, Poveda, and Wright who can all play in midfield so he has made signings.

I don’t blame Appleton, I think he needs to be given time and be allowed to play his best team when we get the injuries back. It’s not the board’s fault though either, they can’t be blamed for Fiorini and Patino getting injured in the same game.

Bowler wanted to go and would of gone for free in the summer, we have a short term replacement in Poveda and we’ll be out there looking for the next Josh Bowler and when we speak to those players they’ll know we’re a club who can develop them and not stand in their way when they get the chance to move.

Sometimes there isn’t someone to blame and it’s just circumstantial. For everyone having a pop at Appleton there’s someone like you having a pop at the board, you’re both as bad as each other.
 
My agenda is to see Blackpool win or at least perform. Read my posts, I'm equally as p1ssed off with Mansford. Right now though Appleton has to work with what he has, coach and organise, he's failing. Do you see an aggressive attacking side? I've barely seen more than 20mins of decent football in any game this season.
I went to Burnley when we stuck at it after going a couple of goals behind, changed the shape and went for it second half with a deserved equaliser

Burnley are a top team

I also saw and injury ravaged team away at Huddersfield fighting for the shirt throwing bodies in the way of the ball in the box

4 points won in those two games

We also battled to a good point against a Bristol City side who were better than us on the day and got a brilliant win away at QPR where we defended for our lives

Another 4 points won

Have you actually been to any games this season?
 
The lack of personnel is due to injuries and suspensions, is it not?

Appleton has signed Fiorini, Patino, Poveda, and Wright who can all play in midfield so he has made signings.

I don’t blame Appleton, I think he needs to be given time and be allowed to play his best team when we get the injuries back. It’s not the board’s fault though either, they can’t be blamed for Fiorini and Patino getting injured in the same game.

Bowler wanted to go and would of gone for free in the summer, we have a short term replacement in Poveda and we’ll be out there looking for the next Josh Bowler and when we speak to those players they’ll know we’re a club who can develop them and not stand in their way when they get the chance to move.

Sometimes there isn’t someone to blame and it’s just circumstantial. For everyone having a pop at Appleton there’s someone like you having a pop at the board, you’re both as bad as each other
Loan signings are short term fixes and whilst some of them look good they are young with very little experience

Yes we have been unlucky with injuries but the head coach clearly wanted a couple of permanent central midfield players brought in as well as a central striker

And however you dress it up the club have failed to land his top targets
 
Good Managers find a way to get results. Simple as that.

Whether or not Appleton is a good manager remains to be seen. It’s too early to judge…

I’ve seen some things that are positive and others which leave me slightly concerned.

One thing I’m certain of though is that our performances and results are down to the Manager.

There’s no excuses …. Good managers don’t make them either…
 
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I went to Burnley when we stuck at it after going a couple of goals behind, changed the shape and went for it second half with a deserved equaliser

Burnley are a top team

I also saw and injury ravaged team away at Huddersfield fighting for the shirt throwing bodies in the way of the ball in the box

4 points won in those two games

We also battled to a good point against a Bristol City side who were better than us on the day and got a brilliant win away at QPR where we defended for our lives

Another 4 points won

Have you actually been to any games this season?
We were awful against Burnley for 15mins and a gift let us back in the game. Appleton did well in that game, as did the players in the 2nd half. Without doubt our best performance, or part performance.

Bristol was a good game to watch but we made a host of mistakes and at times the wheels came off.

Huddersfield was an awful watch and barring technology failure we'd be talking about more dropped points.

The last 4 games, have been woeful. Blackburn toyed with us, we got lucky against a very poor Huddersfield and the less said about Rotherham/Millwall the better. Stoke, Swansea (1st half) and Reading (2nd half) were all shocking also. If you think we're moving forward, great, if you want to blame Mansford for everything, well done but to not see Appleton's failings makes you the idiot.
 
Good Managers find a way to get results. Simple as that.

Whether Appleton not is a good manager remains to be seen. It’s too early to judge…

I’ve seen some things that are positive and others which leave me slightly concerned.

One thing I’m certain of though is that our performances and results are down to the Manager.

There’s no excuses …. Good managers don’t make them either…
Last season it was the players who were responsible for any poor performances

What's changed?
 
We were awful against Burnley for 15mins and a gift let us back in the game. Appleton did well in that game, as did the players in the 2nd half. Without doubt our best performance, or part performance.

Bristol was a good game to watch but we made a host of mistakes and at times the wheels came off.

Huddersfield was an awful watch and barring technology failure we'd be talking about more dropped points.

The last 4 games, have been woeful. Blackburn toyed with us, we got lucky against a very poor Huddersfield and the less said about Rotherham/Millwall the better. Stoke, Swansea (1st half) and Reading (2nd half) were all shocking also. If you think we're moving forward, great, if you want to blame Mansford for everything, well done but to not see Appleton's failings makes you the idiot.
Surely the time to judge the head coach is when he can play his players and the style he wants

I'm not blaming Mansford for everything just his failure to land the head coaches top targets

Oh and did you ever buy multiple season tickets that you didn't need to help the club?
 
Surely the time to judge the head coach is when he can play his players and the style he wants

I'm not blaming Mansford for everything just his failure to land the head coaches top targets

Oh and did you ever buy multiple season tickets that you didn't need to help the club?
What the hell does buying multiple season tickets have to do with anything? Before my move back north I purchased season tickets knowing full well I'd only be attending half the games, my support for Sadler and the club would only be questioned by an idiot, but if you want to try and play the uber fan card to try and win an argument, go for it, it's another flawed argument.
 
He has definitely been left short this window in terms of permanent signings. He has to own the decision to play Connolly as an attacking wing back in a five though. I think nearly all of us could see where that one was going, maybe also the fact that populating the team with centre halves doesn't necessarily mean you are going to pick up the opposition when it matters. I'm getting the sense of an isolated manager, and it is always the manager that loses out in these situations, no matter what hand they have been dealt.
 
What the hell does buying multiple season tickets have to do with anything? Before my move back north I purchased season tickets knowing full well I'd only be attending half the games, my support for Sadler and the club would only be questioned by an idiot, but if you want to try and play the uber fan card to try and win an argument, go for it, it's another flawed argument.
No flawed argument from me i remember your criticism of fans who didn't buy a season ticket during Covid

I support the club, Sadler is just the custodian and Sadler appointed Appleton yet you support Sadler and not Appleton

How the fcuk does that work

Did you also support the Oystons?

Yet you call me an idiot
 
No flawed argument from me i remember your criticism of fans who didn't buy a season ticket during Covid

I support the club, Sadler is just the custodian

Did you also support the Oystons?

Yet you call me an idiot
No, I boycotted, I didn't go to Aston Villa either. So quite why you think that I supported the Oystons is a mystery. Given my offices are just around the corner from the law courts in London, you'd have seen my face at most of those events also.

Yet again you start a thread about one topic and move to another when someone challenges your opinion.

Sadler isn't beyond criticism, albeit I'm not going down that path because I have so much gratitude towards him for what he's doing at the club. That doesn't mean I have to blindly accept all his decisions, the appointment of Appleton was a bad one (in my opinion), the decision to give him a 4yr deal beggars belief.
 
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No, I boycotted, I didn't go to Aston Villa either. So quite why you think that I supported the Oystons is a mystery. Given my offices are just around the corner from the law courts in London, you'd have seen my face at most of those events also.

Yet again you start a thread about one topic and move to another when someone challenges your opinion.
You support Sadler but not Appleton I'm just trying to find out how that works given Appleton is Sadlers man and you obviously hate Appleton

Our points tally is similar to last season as is our inconsistent form

You rated Critchley but not Appleton when there really isn't much difference to our performances
 
You support Sadler but not Appleton I'm just trying to find out how that works given Appleton is Sadlers man and you obviously hate Appleton
I don't hate anyone, way too strong a word. Do I think Appleton is a good coach, do I think he's doing well, do I think he was a good appointment, all of which are a no from me. I've said before, he won't be sacked, he will be given more time but for me he needs to stop looking for excuses, blaming the players and start doing what he's paid to do, coach, organise and get us playing attacking, aggressive football.
 
I don't hate anyone, way too strong a word. Do I think Appleton is a good coach, do I think he's doing well, do I think he was a good appointment, all of which are a no from me. I've said before, he won't be sacked, he will be given more time but for me he needs to stop looking for excuses, blaming the players and start doing what he's paid to do, coach, organise and get us playing attacking, aggressive football.
He hasn't got the players currently

Hence why i said judge him when he has
 
Appleton came in with the promise of a set way of playing and formation. He’s now changed that, which implies he’s wobbling a bit. He’s been seriously let down by Bullshit Ben’s Bargain Bin, but the whole shift away from players from lower leagues to sell on to our best players being loans is a bit more concerning. As much as I didn’t warm to Ctitchley, that they were majority ‘our’ players gave us more attachment and helped spur them on.
 
Appleton came in with the promise of a set way of playing and formation. He’s now changed that, which implies he’s wobbling a bit. He’s been seriously let down by Bullshit Ben’s Bargain Bin, but the whole shift away from players from lower leagues to sell on to our best players being loans is a bit more concerning. As much as I didn’t warm to Ctitchley, that they were majority ‘our’ players gave us more attachment and helped spur them on.
He's only changed the system as he had no fit central midfield players who can pass the ball to a player in the same colour shirt
 
He hasn't got the players currently

Hence why i said judge him when he has
We're not Man City, we won't always have all players available. Sure, the injuries haven't helped but that shouldn't stop Appleton from coaching, organising and getting the players up for games. If he can't work with the bulk of the players we have, then it adds even more weight to my argument, that he is the wrong man to take us forward.
 
Your perception you mean?

Like last year the issue was the manager, but this year you’re “blaming his tools”😉
Yes because Critchley was backed by the board especially in league one where the board helped cover up his mistakes by allowing him to sign multiple players

Critchley signed 2 or 3 duffers and was allowed to replace them in a matter of months or weeks in the case of MJ Williams being replaced by Kenny Dougall

It doesn’t look like Appleton is being afforded the same luxury
 
We're not Man City, we won't always have all players available. Sure, the injuries haven't helped but that shouldn't stop Appleton from coaching, organising and getting the players up for games. If he can't work with the bulk of the players we have, then it adds even more weight to my argument, that he is the wrong man to take us forward.
He can't work with having no central midfield players

Who could?

And we now don't have the tactic of just giving it Bowler that Critchley relied on
 
Yes because Critchley was backed by the board especially in league one where the board helped cover up his mistakes by allowing him to sign multiple players

Critchley signed 2 or 3 duffers and was allowed to replace them in a matter of months or weeks in the case of MJ Williams being replaced by Kenny Dougall

It doesn’t look like Appleton is being afforded the same luxury
Critchley finished his first season in the Championship with 60 points.

Appleton has brought in plenty of his own choice players.

I don’t see any difference at all…
 
He's only changed the system as he had no fit central midfield players who can pass the ball to a player in the same colour shirt
Look at Liverpool- committed to a system regardless, even when tonked by United with a kid and two players with the combined age of about 150 in midfield. I’m not saying his pragmatism is the issue, but the ‘big statements’ from him and Mansford about things have added undue pressure. See also the ‘loadsa money’ interview with Mansford at the start of the window.
 
Critchley finished his first season in the Championship with 60 points.

Appleton has brought in plenty of his own choice players.

I don’t see any difference at all…
There isn't at the moment in terms of performances

Only the amount of grief that Appleton seems to be getting compared to the free ride Critchley got

I also think people are completely underestimating the Bowler effect
 
He can't work with having no central midfield players

Who could?
Dougall, Connolly, Carey and Patino (Wright against Rotherham). You keep telling yourself that, he could have easily played his supposed preferred system against Rotherham and Millwall, at least if we had, we'd have gained more experience playing that system.
 
There isn't at the moment in terms of performances

Only the amount of grief that Appleton seems to be getting compared to the free ride Critchley got

I also think people are completely underestimating the Bowler effect
Critchley was getting absolutely hammered by some (including yourself) in the early part of last season.

I think some have underestimated just how much of an impact the manager had last season.
 
I also think people are completely underestimating the Bowler effect
This is a massive point. Not only did he create numerous opportunities he also occupied a couple of players from the opposition who identified him as our main threat, freeing up other areas of the pitch for us to attack.

Teams play us now without that worry.
 
Dougall, Connolly, Carey and Patino (Wright against Rotherham). You keep telling yourself that, he could have easily played his supposed preferred system against Rotherham and Millwall, at least if we had, we'd have gained more experience playing that system.
Dougall and Connolly can't pass the ball, Patino coming back from an injury and Wright not match fit (as it proved)

Oh and the jury is out on Carey I'm really not sure he's good enough currently at this level

So i can completely understand why he's changed from his preferred shape
 
This is a massive point. Not only did he create numerous opportunities he also occupied a couple of players from the opposition who identified him as our main threat, freeing up other areas of the pitch for us to attack.

Teams play us now without that worry.
Agreed we've lost our best and most dangerous player. He has been replaced with Poveda however, it's not like we are playing with 10. The title of the thread is a little misleading, I'm not just blaming Appleton, that would be idiotic, there have been failings by the board also.
 
Agreed we've lost our best and most dangerous player. He has been replaced with Poveda however, it's not like we are playing with 10. The title of the thread is a little misleading, I'm not just blaming Appleton, that would be idiotic, there have been failings by the board also.
Poveda is a loan with very little experience surely you are not expecting Poveda to be as good as Bowler and have an instant impact in terms of goals, assists and chances created
 
Dougall and Connolly can't pass the ball, Patino coming back from an injury and Wright not match fit (as it proved)

Oh and the jury is out on Carey I'm really not sure he's good enough currently at this level

So i can completely understand why he's changed from his preferred shape
Playing Wlliams, who has become a liability, dropping a wingback in Gabriel to play someone who can't pass in Connolly, only having 2 players in the middle. I think you miss my point, no matter how you slice it, we miss injured players, surely sticking to a system, drilling them into what is expected is better than going to Plan B, or C, that we equally don't have the personnel to play?
 
Poveda is a loan with very little experience surely you are not expecting Poveda to be has good as Bowler
Did I say that? I'm just saying he's been brought in to play Bowler's position. We are worse off without Bowler, I agree, the summer transfer window was poor but your failure to see any fault in Appleton is mind-blowing.
 
Dougall and Connolly can't pass the ball, Patino coming back from an injury and Wright not match fit (as it proved)

Oh and the jury is out on Carey I'm really not sure he's good enough currently at this level

So i can completely understand why he's changed from his preferred shape
Sonny Carey was being hailed by many as the next Zidane in the summer as the weeks went on when we didn’t sign a midfielder.

Did he start the first 3 games, then it’s been the bench since? Even when we had few options at Burnley and then midweek at Rotherham. Doesn’t look like he’s that rated by MA?
 
Did I say that? I'm just saying he's been brought in to play Bowler's position. We are worse off without Bowler, I agree, the summer transfer window was poor but your failure to see any fault in Appleton is mind-blowing.
I absolutely don't see any fault in Appleton, he's having to make do with the hand he's been dealt

Yes injuries are unfortunate, but a lack of options in key positions are down to the board

As is the ridiculous decision to sell Bowler
 
I absolutely don't see any fault in Appleton, he's having to make do with the hand he's been dealt

Yes injuries are unfortunate, but a lack of options in key positions are down to the board

As is the ridiculous decision to sell Bowler
The hand he's been dealt is a Championship managers job with a reasonably settled squad and a club on an upwards trajectory. There really aren't many jobs where a manager gets that luxury, as normally it's due to relegation, complete lack of form or because the club has a nutter for an owner. We signed plenty in the summer, only time will tell if they are of the right quality. If your saying Appleton is faultless and can only work when all conditions are perfect, I can tell you now, he's the wrong man for BFC.
 
The hand he's been dealt is a Championship managers job with a reasonably settled squad and a club on an upwards trajectory. There really aren't many jobs where a manager gets that luxury, as normally it's due to relegation, complete lack of form or because the club has a nutter for an owner. We signed plenty in the summer, only time will tell if they are of the right quality. If your saying Appleton is faultless and can only work when all conditions are perfect, I can tell you now, he's the wrong man for BFC.
I'm saying the criticism he's had from people like you is unfair

Its obvious why he changed the shape after the Blackburn game, he had to change something given our midfield inability to keep the ball

I actually think things will be fine once we get some of the injured players back but in the meantime due to the lack of options (caused by the transfer window) we are lacking
 
I absolutely don't see any fault in Appleton, he's having to make do with the hand he's been dealt

Yes injuries are unfortunate, but a lack of options in key positions are down to the board

As is the ridiculous decision to sell Bowler
First time I thought what’s he up to here was team selections at Rotherham and then Millwall.

Starting Connolly at right back in that formation was daft, even if Simon Sadler told us all we didn’t need to sign another right back because of CC he can’t be starting over Gabriel if he’s fit.

Worryingly I don’t think we’ve got great options wide though to choose from?

2 from Corbeanau, Poveda, Lavery and CJ, with Keshi to return… it’s not great is it 🤷🏻‍♂️ I would say that’s probably a downgrade on last season. Forgetting Bowler as he’s irreplaceable, the back-up was Dale, Mitchell then Kirk… this season a centre forward and CJ (who’s a full international as many told us… hasn’t lasted long 😏)

With the players returning to fitness coming back and his preferred formation is the time to judge him. Weirdly I think the Bridcutt signing might me a decent signing short-term to get us ticking in midfield. It’s gone quiet though so no doubts we’ll be trying to balls it up somehow or found he wore a eye patch in year 3 so pulled the deal.
 
I'm saying the criticism he's had from people like you is unfair

Its obvious why he changed the shape after the Blackburn game, he had to change something given our midfield inability to keep the ball

I actually think things will be fine once we get some of the injured players back but in the meantime due to the lack of options (caused by the transfer window) we are lacking
The criticism is based on what I've seen with my own eyes. Rotherham was a disgrace from start to finish; selection, tactics, substitutions. Millwall in many ways was worse, that 2nd half was a joke, when a blind man and his dog could see we should have taken it to them in the 2nd 45. Now we have a run of very tough fixtures, if we set up the same way, it will be more of the same. Let's revisit this thread at the end of October..
 
First time I thought what’s he up to here was team selections at Rotherham and then Millwall.

Starting Connolly at right back in that formation was daft, even if Simon Sadler told us all we didn’t need to sign another right back because of CC he can’t be starting over Gabriel if he’s fit.

Worryingly I don’t think we’ve got great options wide though to choose from?

2 from Corbeanau, Poveda, Lavery and CJ, with Keshi to return… it’s not great is it 🤷🏻‍♂️ I would say that’s probably a downgrade on last season. Forgetting Bowler as he’s irreplaceable, the back-up was Dale, Mitchell then Kirk… this season a centre forward and CJ (who’s a full international as many told us… hasn’t lasted long 😏)

With the players returning to fitness coming back and his preferred formation is the time to judge him. Weirdly I think the Bridcutt signing might me a decent signing short-term to get us ticking in midfield. It’s gone quiet though so no doubts we’ll be trying to balls it up somehow or found he wore a eye patch in year 3 so pulled the deal.
You are spot on re Connolly but it was even worse than that in my opinion, he picked him as a wing back! It is pretty clear that Connolly is no prima donna and will do whatever is asked of him, but wing back is a bridge to far and everyone knows it.
 
You are spot on re Connolly but it was even worse than that in my opinion, he picked him as a wing back! It is pretty clear that Connolly is no prima donna and will do whatever is asked of him, but wing back is a bridge to far and everyone knows it.

Rotherham, it looked to me like he was playing 3-4-3 because he didn't trust Williams, but wanted to accommodate him anyway, against Millwall, to play the same formation, when Gabriel wasn't playing, and Williams had been dropped anyway, was bizarre.
 
The next 6 games ultimately decide his fate for me and it won’t really matter who’s fault it was or is.

He’ll have as close to a full squad as any manger is likely to get, 2 weeks to drill the players and get them into some kind of shape and style.
If the players have really been allowed to jet off for a week - I’m lost for words at that decision - but that’s just speculation atm, a day or two off yeh ok. But if some of the non internationals are abroad that tells me they have a week off. Ridiculous at this time if true.

If we come away from the next 6 with 3 points or less - he’ll most likely have to go. 1/3 of the season in, 5-6 defeats out of a span of 8 games. Likely the style of play and shape all over the show, we’d probably need to act to salvage the season.

4-9 points and we probably have had a couple of decent results against tough teams and he’d likely get till the end of December to prove to us all and the board we’re not in free fall out of the league.

Anything over ten points and we’ve probably turned the corner.

The PNE game has the potential to be his last in charge if we get done in that one by a poor PNE team after 4 or 5 real stinkers in the lead up to it. I can’t see him surviving. Equally if do them by a few goals after getting a few wins against Sunderland or Hull I think everything will feel ok.
 
The next 6 games ultimately decide his fate for me and it won’t really matter who’s fault it was or is.

He’ll have as close to a full squad as any manger is likely to get, 2 weeks to drill the players and get them into some kind of shape and style.
If the players have really been allowed to jet off for a week - I’m lost for words at that decision - but that’s just speculation atm, a day or two off yeh ok. But if some of the non internationals are abroad that tells me they have a week off. Ridiculous at this time if true.

If we come away from the next 6 with 3 points or less - he’ll most likely have to go. 1/3 of the season in, 5-6 defeats out of a span of 8 games. Likely the style of play and shape all over the show, we’d probably need to act to salvage the season.

4-9 points and we probably have had a couple of decent results against tough teams and he’d likely get till the end of December to prove to us all and the board we’re not in free fall out of the league.

Anything over ten points and we’ve probably turned the corner.

The PNE game has the potential to be his last in charge if we get done in that one by a poor PNE team after 4 or 5 real stinkers in the lead up to it. I can’t see him surviving. Equally if do them by a few goals after getting a few wins against Sunderland or Hull I think everything will feel ok.
There isn't a chance he will get sacked in 6 games not a cat in hells chance nor should there be either

The board have appointed their man they need to back him
 
There isn't a chance he will get sacked in 6 games not a cat in hells chance nor should there be either

The board have appointed their man they need to back him
3ish points from 6 games finishing with a defeat to PNE, I think a scenario like that after the last two games would make him untenable.
 
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