January Oncomings and Outgoings?

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I think I'd be sending TJJ back to Arsenal, love to get Lubala, Howe, Nuttall and Sarkic off the books, maybe send Virtue out on loan and if Grimshaw is the preferred option, maybe the same of Moore?

Incoming I'd love another Madine like player - anywhere else?
 
Ball-winner in centre-mid for me. Think we need some cover for the engine room. Kenny and Kev seem beset by injuries, wouldn't surprise me if Ryan's is recalled, owing to Cardiff's plight, Grant out for a lengthy spell.
Agree with the call for another striker
 
I'm a bit worried about the January recall option that I believe Cardiff have on Wintle.
I'd rather try to sign him on a permanent deal than see him go to Cardiff, but I expect the club are already working on that if it's possible. Agree on the players out you listed, but it seems there's a lot more to it with at least 2 of those players.

I also agree on the big striker option for Yates and / or Lavery to link with. Carey has been excellent as has Dale, so I'm less concerned about the attacking mf area (if we can keep Careyand Daleinjuryfree)
 
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tangysider said:
Dougall, Stewart, Connolly and perhaps Antwi and Virtue?
I would rather have a free kick specialist/attacking midfielder and of course Simms
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Antwi isn't up to it, Virtue is a question mark, Stewart hasn't managed more than 1 game in a run this year, Connelly is a defender.

That leaves Kenny as a first choice nailed on starter.

We've got loads of attacking mids and wingers and we rarely play a formation that demands an AMC.

We need Wintle or a replacement for Wintle.
 
IN
Ellis Simms
Central midfielder (potentially 2 if Cardiff recall Wintle)

OUT
Teddy Howe (if anyone will take him)
Bez Lubala (depending on his off-the-field situation)
Oliver Sarkic
Joe Nuttall
Tyreece John-Jules (terminate his loan)
 
Lost Seasider said:
Connolly has spent most of his career as a defensive midfielder, it was only last season when he moved into the centre of defence.
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And we have Casey and Grettarson and Hubbie as cover in that area, so the only realistic role for Connolly is defensive midfielder unless we send him out on loan
 
td53 said:
Antwi isn't up to it, Virtue is a question mark, Stewart hasn't managed more than 1 game in a run this year, Connelly is a defender.

That leaves Kenny as a first choice nailed on starter.

We've got loads of attacking mids and wingers and we rarely play a formation that demands an AMC.

We need Wintle or a replacement for Wintle.
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We certainly need a replacement for Wintle if we can't hold on to him although Critch might see Virtue as his replacement.
The need for a creative, goal-scoring mid-fielder has been discussed many times but if we play 4-4-2, with 2 holding mid-fielders I'm not sure where that player fits in unless you re-label him a winger but with the possible emergence of Dale, the return of a fully functioning CJ we might be fully stocked in that position.
If Simms is available it would be foolish not to go for him then we would look really strong up front with Lavery, Madine, Simms and Yates.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Connolly has spent most of his career as a defensive midfielder, it was only last season when he moved into the centre of defence.
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Where he's much better. Mitchell was a left back, but would you play him there?

Connelly has not got into our team as a midfielder has he? Even with the current injury crisis.

The point is, the glaring necessity is signing Wintle or a Wintle-alike. He's literally played every minute of every game since he's been here and been superb. No one in our squad has his attributes. The nearest player is Virtue and he is a big question mark.

We currently have 4 strikers for 2 positions maximum, a shed load of wingers, 2 AMCs to cover a position we rarely ever play, more defenders (especially left backs) than you can count but sans Wintle we only really have Kenny as an established CM.

I don't dispute it would be nice to have other players but Wintle is probably first pick at the moment and we cannot over look that!
 
Insider said:
We certainly need a replacement for Wintle if we can't hold on to him although Critch might see Virtue as his replacement.
The need for a creative, goal-scoring mid-fielder has been discussed many times but if we play 4-4-2, with 2 holding mid-fielders I'm not sure where that player fits in unless you re-label him a winger but with the possible emergence of Dale, the return of a fully functioning CJ we might be fully stocked in that position.
If Simms is available it would be foolish not to go for him then we would look really strong up front with Lavery, Madine, Simms and Yates.
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It's not a need for 4231 either as both Carey and Kesh could play that role and Carey was magnificent in his one start.
 
tangysider said:
And we have Casey and Grettarson and Hubbie as cover in that area, so the only realistic role for Connolly is defensive midfielder unless we send him out on loan
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I think he's a cover player, yes. That's my point really. He's never in the class of Wintle in terms of his use of the ball.

I would love to see him on as RCB of a back 5 but we don't play that way.

Not sure how he fits.
 
td53 said:
Antwi isn't up to it, Virtue is a question mark, Stewart hasn't managed more than 1 game in a run this year, Connelly is a defender.

That leaves Kenny as a first choice nailed on starter.

We've got loads of attacking mids and wingers and we rarely play a formation that demands an AMC.

We need Wintle or a replacement for Wintle.
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Spot on. And we tried to sign Brannagan and we're linked with an African midfielder too, forget who. So I'm expecting us to be lining something up.
 
Yeah a loan or two would do for CM. We have Dougall, Stewart, Ward, Virtue, Antwi, James and Wintle. But unless Dougall's injury was nowt the first choice 4 are all out injured. A replacement or extension for Wintle might be enough if we get Stewart and James back fairly soon, but Brannagan or Fuchs (the link with him came after the deadline closed if I remember rightly?) could be brought in.

We do not need a LB - we have three, two of which we know are pretty good.
 
D John said:
CJ is not a Championship player for me. If he is fit a move away would be beneficial
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He definitely wasn't firing at the start of the season. I wouldn't write him off yet but he's got work to do to get back in. A Matty Phillips month somewhere might do him a lot of good, but is that even possible with the way loans work now?
 
Grayth said:
Yeah a loan or two would do for CM. We have Dougall, Stewart, Ward, Virtue, Antwi, James and Wintle. But unless Dougall's injury was nowt the first choice 4 are all out injured. A replacement or extension for Wintle might be enough if we get Stewart and James back fairly soon, but Brannagan or Fuchs (the link with him came after the deadline closed if I remember rightly?) could be brought in.

We do not need a LB - we have three, two of which we know are pretty good.
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And James played really well in his one game at full back. (rb against Millwall after Connolly sent off)
 
td53 said:
And James played really well in his one game at full back. (rb against Millwall after Connolly sent off)
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Sterling or Gabriel could probably do a job there too as 4th choice.

In conclusion, we definitely don't need a left back desperately.
 
td53 said:
I think he's a cover player, yes. That's my point really. He's never in the class of Wintle in terms of his use of the ball.

I would love to see him on as RCB of a back 5 but we don't play that way.

Not sure how he fits.
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Agreed. I like Connolly, but he's fallen through the cracks. He's not a right back, doesn't look comfortable in midfield, won't shift Ekpo or Keogh, and Gretarsson and Casey may well get in ahead of him. It's a shame cos he's a good player with a good attitude.
Grayth said:
Yeah a loan or two would do for CM. We have Dougall, Stewart, Ward, Virtue, Antwi, James and Wintle.
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Stewart Ward and Virtue are like Virtual players. Antwi isnt an option. He's on loan somewhere anyway. James is a left back. We have Kenny and Wintle for now, and will have a problem if either of them gets injured or suspended.
 
voyeur said:
Agreed. I like Connolly, but he's fallen through the cracks. He's not a right back, doesn't look comfortable in midfield, won't shift Ekpo or Keogh, and Gretarsson and Casey may well get in ahead of him. It's a shame cos he's a good player with a good attitude.

Stewart Ward and Virtue are like Virtual players. Antwi isnt an option. He's on loan somewhere anyway. James is a left back. We have Kenny and Wintle for now, and will have a problem if either of them gets injured or suspended.
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Matty Virtual.
 
2 players + for all positions and all quality and capable replacements.
Quite a few are also versatile and play many positions or in different roles which I like in the team/squad.
 
We need a set piece / corner specialist, as we're not scoring enough goals from these situations.
Another robust forward, who is good in the air.
I hope Wintle stays, but in any event, our midfielders do need to start shooting from outside the box.
 
Simms would be a acquisition everybody agrees on that. 'Fuchs' is the player we have been linked with plays in Scotland premiere league.
Looks very good going forward to me. Not sure Hamilton will get back the team in January ?
 
My ideal January would be getting rid of some fringe players (TJJ, Sarkic, Howe, Lubala and Nuttall) and bringing Simms in on a permanent or loan and KDH in on loan in order to mount a proper push for the play offs in the last 6 months of the season.
 
td53 said:
CJ is, at very best, an impact sub atm based on this year's showings. That pace is a weapon. However, he *may* be a different player post op. Something really wasn't right with him this season.
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Only 15 months ago he was our stand out player terrorising Prem defenders in friendlies.
Hope he reaches that level again but sadly cannot see it
 
Re cover for centre mid. Not saying he should be first choice in there, but didn't Gretarrson start his career in that position?

He's comfortable on the ball, combative. If it's a game that's going to be a scrap and we need something extra in there to help out, he could be an option?
 
When CJ and Virtue are back from injury we have a squad of 25 players who are all good. On top of that Carey and Casey are ok to play as under 21. Hope we sign Wintle and Dale. Only thing I can think of is sending back TJJ if we can get Ellis, or signing some star under 21 player on a permanent. Such a good squad already. Knowing Crith he will have TJJ looking sublime by Jan.
 
td53 said:
Where he's much better. Mitchell was a left back, but would you play him there?

Connelly has not got into our team as a midfielder has he? Even with the current injury crisis.

The point is, the glaring necessity is signing Wintle or a Wintle-alike. He's literally played every minute of every game since he's been here and been superb. No one in our squad has his attributes. The nearest player is Virtue and he is a big question mark.

We currently have 4 strikers for 2 positions maximum, a shed load of wingers, 2 AMCs to cover a position we rarely ever play, more defenders (especially left backs) than you can count but sans Wintle we only really have Kenny as an established CM.

I don't dispute it would be nice to have other players but Wintle is probably first pick at the moment and we cannot over look that!
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Didn't Connelly come on for Dougall for the Preston game?
 
tangysider said:
Only 15 months ago he was our stand out player terrorising Prem defenders in friendlies.
Hope he reaches that level again but sadly cannot see it
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Why not? The reason he is out injured is because the surgeon balls up his operation last season didn’t set a screw in his foot correctly. That’s why his gone under the knife again, to correct the mistake.

No wonder he wasn’t himself at the start of the season. He would have been in severe pain!
 
Spoonerfudj said:
Ball-winner in centre-mid for me. Think we need some cover for the engine room. Kenny and Kev seem beset by injuries, wouldn't surprise me if Ryan's is recalled, owing to Cardiff's plight, Grant out for a lengthy spell.
Agree with the call for another striker
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Dave62 said:
I'm a bit worried about the January recall option that I believe Cardiff have on Wintle.
I'd rather try to sign him on a permanent deal than see him go to Cardiff, but I expect the club are already working on that if it's possible. Agree on the players out you listed, but it seems there's a lot more to it with at least 2 of those players.

I also agree on the big striker option for Yates and / or Lavery to link with. Carey has been excellent as has Dale, so I'm less concerned about the attacking mf area (if we can keep Careyand Daleinjuryfree)
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Surely it would be difficult to sign Wintle permanently considering Cardiff only signed him themselves this summer?
 
Shiggy said:
Surely it would be difficult to sign Wintle permanently considering Cardiff only signed him themselves this summer?
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Hence the use of the words "if it's possible".
You're probably right, but maybe Wintle won't be part of the new manager's plans, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Dave62 said:
I'm a bit worried about the January recall option that I believe Cardiff have on Wintle.
I'd rather try to sign him on a permanent deal than see him go to Cardiff, but I expect the club are already working on that if it's possible. Agree on the players out you listed, but it seems there's a lot more to it with at least 2 of those players.

I also agree on the big striker option for Yates and / or Lavery to link with. Carey has been excellent as has Dale, so I'm less concerned about the attacking mf area (if we can keep Careyand Daleinjuryfree)
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Dale has only played 15 mins 😂
 
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