Jimmy Armfield Mural Update 🧡🧡🧡🧡

Goforgoal said:
All the posters from #643 to #647 could form a club and have meetings every Thursday in the Armfield. You could call yourselves the Thursday Tossers Club.
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I am thinking of forming an over 60 's group
The
Over
Sixties
Seasiders
will be affectionly known as TOSSERs 😂
 
BIG_BERTHA_3 said:
I am thinking of forming an over 60 's group
The
Over
Sixties
Seasiders
will be affectionly known as TOSSERs 😂
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Im happy to organise an under 60s group so all ages are covered 🤣
How about...

Armfield
Reactionaries
Satirical
Ensemble

Not sure how we'd abbreviate it tbh 😉
 
Folks,

Jimmy’s face has been repainted today. Thanks to the artist and the cherry picker boys.

Initial feedback from the 5 people I was with when it was completed was positive but we await the insight of the AVFTT’erati. 😀

We obviously hope people are happy but if not modifications will have to take place - as stated from the outset all we want is a mural we can all be proud of.

One polite request is if possible try to provide constructive criticism - if you unhappy please resist the urge to get snarky or nasty … some of the negative comments so far, whilst possibly intended to be funny, have not been that helpful.

Look forward to your thoughts. It’s often easier to speak in person so I will be on the door at The Armfield from 11:00 tomorrow and am more than happy to discuss any feedback over a libation.

If you can get to HQ feel free to DM me.

Cheers and UTP 🧡
 
The sun was burning bright right over TAC when we were looking at it - will try and get a photo on here in the morning …
 
Blackpool_Rox said:
Look forward to your thoughts. It’s often easier to speak in person so I will be on the door at The Armfield from 11:00 tomorrow and am more than happy to discuss any feedback over a libation.
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For those who’ve moaned like mad about it, the Armfield Club is at the top of Bloomfield Road towards Lytham Road on the left hand side facing that way. Get yourself in there & you can have a good scan on the way 🍻
 
The re working of his face and the shirt has no doubt improved it, but in reality it’s not hard to improve on the state it was in before.

No criticism of the efforts by the Armfield lads or the artist.

But ultimately, for me, it’s still utterly awful and a sad and lacklustre effort to immortalise the great man.

Again it’s been a great effort fundraising and getting the thing up. Just the execution wasn’t there.

Remember that we all want this to be up for decades, and a small bit of pain now would be more than worth it, having something to be proud of emblazoned on the side of the club for decades to come.

Please whitewash it and start again, I’d be happy to contribute. It’s the least he deserves.
 
Not seen the updated version as I’m away and it’s impossible to see it properly on Lee’s video.

Hopefully it’s improved and people are happy with it now.
 
Managed to get a still image now…. It still doesn’t look right to me. Something not quite right with the bottom half of the face?
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Managed to get a still image now…. It still doesn’t look right to me. Something not quite right with the bottom half of the face?
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It’s a very slight improvement however, it’s never going to be what we expected and I don’t think the majority will ever be entirely happy with this particular effort. I think it’s probably a case of once you have a down on something all you can ever see is the worst of it. I still think a fresh start would be the way to go.
 
It’s a slight improvement, but not really ‘right’, is it?
Doesn’t really look like him, and now I’m thinking the head’s oversized?
Was it done free hand? I’ve seen some of the artists doing the ones in town using over head projectors, shining the image onto a wall as a guide. Would have prevented a lot of the problems?
 
Cheers for the feedback folks - and thanks for keeping it respectful.

Take on board what you are saying and we will continue to work towards a solution and keep you updated.

For what it’s worth I spoke with a lot of our members yesterday and canvassed their opinions ….

What are your honest thoughts ?
Is it an improvement on previous iterations ?
Is it good enough ?

Reading what has been posted on social media it might come as a surprise to some that the majority of opinions we received were positive.

A few even questioned why it had been changed and at least 2 preferred the previous version.

We appreciate it was not a scientific survey and some might be reluctant to be negative face to face and as always the beauty of art is in the eye of the beholder …. but just thought it worth mentioning in the interest of balance.

Looks like further modifications are required.

We will get there - onwards and upwards … 🧡⚽️✊
 
Blackpool_Rox said:
Cheers for the feedback folks - and thanks for keeping it respectful.

Take on board what you are saying and we will continue to work towards a solution and keep you updated.

For what it’s worth I spoke with a lot of our members yesterday and canvassed their opinions ….

What are your honest thoughts ?
Is it an improvement on previous iterations ?
Is it good enough ?

Reading what has been posted on social media it might come as a surprise to some that the majority of opinions we received were positive.

A few even questioned why it had been changed and at least 2 preferred the previous version.

We appreciate it was not a scientific survey and some might be reluctant to be negative face to face and as always the beauty of art is in the eye of the beholder …. but just thought it worth mentioning in the interest of balance.

Looks like further modifications are required.

We will get there - onwards and upwards … 🧡⚽️✊
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Rox - genuine question, what do you think of it? You are never going to please everyone. I'm on record earlier in the thread suggesting improvements were needed, I hope that my comments were constructive. I suppose now the question should be is the mural supposed to be a representation of Jimmy or a realistic reproduction of the great man?

My personal taste is for realism but I can only speak for myself and I know others may disagree and I respect that.

What should be recognised is the hard work and dedication of those that planned and came up with the idea of the mural. The generosity of those that raised the funds and the time given by those that have worked on it.

Thank you for listening and taking on board the opinions expressed in this thread and for keeping us informed, I for one appreciate it. UTP.
 
It’s slightly better. I’m not particularly keen on the artist’s style. The perspective is wrong, oversized head, etc. He still looks overweight. Shadows are very heavy handed / unnatural. Road sign could be better.
I wouldn’t bring the artist back for any more fixes. I’d leave it like this until it can be completely redone by someone else with a different image and more photo realistic style. Imo.
 
Blackpool_Rox said:
Cheers for the feedback folks - and thanks for keeping it respectful.

Take on board what you are saying and we will continue to work towards a solution and keep you updated.

For what it’s worth I spoke with a lot of our members yesterday and canvassed their opinions ….

What are your honest thoughts ?
Is it an improvement on previous iterations ?
Is it good enough ?

Reading what has been posted on social media it might come as a surprise to some that the majority of opinions we received were positive.

A few even questioned why it had been changed and at least 2 preferred the previous version.

We appreciate it was not a scientific survey and some might be reluctant to be negative face to face and as always the beauty of art is in the eye of the beholder …. but just thought it worth mentioning in the interest of balance.

Looks like further modifications are required.

We will get there - onwards and upwards … 🧡⚽️✊
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I think very few people will be as honest as they’d probably like to be when confronted face-to-face Andy… just how folk are.

I’ve already said enough probably, but I thought the very first attempt was terrible, the second one a big improvement and this one is probably a bit better still.

However it’s still more of a vague impression of JA than any real kind of likeness. As others have said, it’s more of a cartoon or a caricature version of him.

That seems to be the general style of the artist himself, so I’m not sure it’s ever really going to be an actual likeness if done in this style.

Is that good enough?

I’m not sure it is…but that’s only one opinion 👍

Personally I don’t mind the idea of an ‘impression’ , but to my mind the type of genre (for want of a better expression) needs to be sympathetic and fitting for the subject.

Cartoon imagery like this might suit a skate park or youth centre or something more fun and less serious. I’m not convinced it’s right for an elder statesman of our Club like JA.

On the other hand Blackpool itself is fun, in your face and doesn’t take itself too seriously etc..So there’s an argument to say that it kind of fits with the Town…

It’s by no means as bad as some people have suggested though and so if folk are generally happy with it in this style, then a bit of touching up will probably have it sorted.
 
Morty said:
Rox - genuine question, what do you think of it? You are never going to please everyone. I'm on record earlier in the thread suggesting improvements were needed, I hope that my comments were constructive. I suppose now the question should be is the mural supposed to be a representation of Jimmy or a realistic reproduction of the great man?

My personal taste is for realism but I can only speak for myself and I know others may disagree and I respect that.

What should be recognised is the hard work and dedication of those that planned and came up with the idea of the mural. The generosity of those that raised the funds and the time given by those that have worked on it.

Thank you for listening and taking on board the opinions expressed in this thread and for keeping us informed, I for one appreciate it. UTP.
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The fence sitters and those who are scared to post an opinion need to be heard.
 
I think again this goes back to it not being what was advertised and what donations were collected for. Making improvements and trying to make it better isn't really the point. You aren't going to change the face enough for it to end up being like the pic people voted for, without starting from scratch. As well as choosing the pic, I think people should've had a vote on the artist too because the result of this mural could've been predicted if we'd known who was going to do it. All his other works are similar - not necessarily bad, just a style that many people would've disagreed with imo.
I'd love to know why he was chosen given that it's clear his style is cartoonish.
 
Matesrates said:
Well I’m not fence sitting, my opinion hasn’t changed, I simply don’t think a seaside postcard style image of one of our legends is right.
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It was aimed more for the organisers, they need to get tough in this situation, not heard a squeek from them. If they are happy, get it coated with that resin stuff.
 
Blackpool_Rox said:
Cheers for the feedback folks - and thanks for keeping it respectful.

Take on board what you are saying and we will continue to work towards a solution and keep you updated.

For what it’s worth I spoke with a lot of our members yesterday and canvassed their opinions ….

What are your honest thoughts ?
Is it an improvement on previous iterations ?
Is it good enough ?

Reading what has been posted on social media it might come as a surprise to some that the majority of opinions we received were positive.

A few even questioned why it had been changed and at least 2 preferred the previous version.

We appreciate it was not a scientific survey and some might be reluctant to be negative face to face and as always the beauty of art is in the eye of the beholder …. but just thought it worth mentioning in the interest of balance.

Looks like further modifications are required.

We will get there - onwards and upwards … 🧡⚽️✊
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The best way to solve the conundrum is by a poll of the people who donated. I’m sure you must have a record of who they were so one donation one vote a simple majority wins. If the majority are happy, job done, if not a paint out and recommission. This would put it to bed once and for all, otherwise this will drag on and on. 🍊🍊🤞
 
I chipped in for what I believed would be a stylish/polished work….but I’m afraid it will never be that no matter how many touch ups….it’s just the wrong style for such a great man imo…I’ll chip in again if we can start again.
 
I forget to go and look yesterday but from what I've seen on here I'm still disappointed.
I'm wondering now if we actually chose the wrong picture? Maybe it was just too challenging for this particular artist to reproduce?
From a personal point of view I would have preferred more of a photographic reproduction.
If the artist's style is "cartoonlike" that's fine (just not my taste) but perhaps then he shouldn't have tried to base that on a specific photograph?
 
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Check Danielle Vaughn out on Facebook a great artist originally from Blackpool, maybe would be willing to help out
 
Morty said:
Rox - genuine question, what do you think of it? You are never going to please everyone. I'm on record earlier in the thread suggesting improvements were needed, I hope that my comments were constructive. I suppose now the question should be is the mural supposed to be a representation of Jimmy or a realistic reproduction of the great man?

My personal taste is for realism but I can only speak for myself and I know others may disagree and I respect that.

What should be recognised is the hard work and dedication of those that planned and came up with the idea of the mural. The generosity of those that raised the funds and the time given by those that have worked on it.

Thank you for listening and taking on board the opinions expressed in this thread and for keeping us informed, I for one appreciate it. UTP.
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Yes Morty - good feedback, and all taken in the good spirit in which it is intended, 👍

I’m probably pretty much on the same page as you re the process and iterations to date and my personal preference is also for more realism.

Having not commissioned a wall mural before it’s been more of a turbulent learning experience than we expected.

In terms of references to the accountability of ‘organisers’ in other posts, that pretty much falls with me as I took the lead on the project so I’m sorry it’s not matched expectations for a good number of you (me included).

Maybe there has been some naïveté on my part 😞 but rest assured each step has been carried out and driven by what we think the fans want but obviously we are not there yet.

As requested in the earlier thread please bear with us as we are trying to get it sorted and will keep you updated. 🧡⚽️
 
Blackpool_Rox said:
Yes Morty - good feedback, and all taken in the good spirit in which it is intended, 👍

I’m probably pretty much on the same page as you re the process and iterations to date and my personal preference is also for more realism.

Having not commissioned a wall mural before it’s been more of a turbulent learning experience than we expected.

In terms of references to the accountability of ‘organisers’ in other posts, that pretty much falls with me as I took the lead on the project so I’m sorry it’s not matched expectations for a good number of you (me included).

Maybe there has been some naïveté on my part 😞 but rest assured each step has been carried out and driven by what we think the fans want but obviously we are not there yet.

As requested in the earlier thread please bear with us as we are trying to get it sorted and will keep you updated. 🧡⚽️
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I don’t think anyone is questioning your good intent and I am sure we all appreciate your time and effort. I personally am glad you’ve said you preferred more of a photographic image, which as we have been saying is what most of us were expecting. I wouldn’t like to cast aspersions on the artist’s professional skill, it was obviously a wrong brief. What he thought we wanted and what we actually wanted were two different things. I am sure it will be right in the end, one way or the other. Once again on behalf of all the contributors and BFC fans many thanks for your time and effort.👏👏👏🍊🍊🍊🍊
 
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