Jimmy Armfield Mural Update 🧡🧡🧡🧡

Purdonkey said:
Evening all, Just an update on todays work. Obviously as stated previously its difficult to try and rectify issues using another artists template, all I can say is I've done what I can with what I had, the hairline is sorted as is the line to the right which gave it a bulbous impression, the eyes have more shape and the lines/bags have been softened somewhat.
If I'm being honest, I still feel its not 100% right, but it is improved.
Unfortunately I didn't have time to get across to the signage and the text needs work, I'm hoping now the face is a tad better the original artist might return to soften things further by working to my markers. Trying to accomplish a spray effect with paint isn't an easy task.
In defence of the original artist the image used is a difficult one to accomplish, added to the fact it is all on a lean which makes lining up features pretty difficult when working in close proximity.
In retrospect it may have been better to use the same method we see on the Sea life centre where a photographic image/montage is enlarged and stretched across, It would have eradicated faults and probably cost less overall.



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Well at least the postcode looks like an adult has been involved with it now....
 
Matesrates said:
Questions need to be answered given the amount of money raised from supporters.

Who selected the artist and why?

Did they know he was a caricature artist and if not why?

What was the brief given to him, was it to do a caricature and if not, why did he do it that way?

How much was he paid?

If he didn’t follow the brief, can he be brought back to start all over again?
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Although he may be capable I wouldn’t want him back. I wouldn’t want to chance another wrong un. It wouldn’t be fair on anyone, the best course of action would be new artist, with a complete brief of what is required and payment made when the job is finished to satisfaction.
 
I think there is a bit of over reaction on here tbh.
The face (admittedly the most important bit) does need some remedial treatment but it's a relatively small part of the whole so surely it can be rectified for a modest amount without having to resort to starting the process again.
Purdonkey's improvement is commendable but if this is to be there for posterity it's important that it's right.
 
tango94 said:
I think there is a bit of over reaction on here tbh.
The face (admittedly the most important bit) does need some remedial treatment but it's a relatively small part of the whole so surely it can be rectified for a modest amount without having to resort to starting the process again.
Purdonkey's improvement is commendable but if this is to be there for posterity it's important that it's right.
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Yeah if the face was right the rest is good imo.
 
tango94 said:
I think there is a bit of over reaction on here tbh.
The face (admittedly the most important bit) does need some remedial treatment but it's a relatively small part of the whole so surely it can be rectified for a modest amount without having to resort to starting the process again.
Purdonkey's improvement is commendable but if this is to be there for posterity it's important that it's right.
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I agree with this, but the only problem is that most artists won't touch another artists work. So in order to get the face done properly, the whole piece will most likely have to be redone.
 
Matesrates said:
How many on here actually saw him play or met him, I did and I don’t want that memory tarnished.
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I never met him but saw him play both club and international. Wish we had him now, but as we haven’t as you say keep his memory alive in his image. Not someone’s interpretation of it.
 
I’m ok with it. It’s not mind blowing but it is still something that catches your eye and adds colour to the area. Could it be better? hell yeah, but rather than try and make it half photo realistic it’s probably best leaving it as semi caricature. IMO.
 
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I will say...the overall opinion of the general public passing was very positive, there were some great comments about the piece. However they don't really know the subject and that's the most pivotal part unfortunately.
The suggestion I've now made to the organisers is that the face should be totally blanked out and instead be templated to ensure the likeness is correct . All is not lost just yet, its certainly fixable, watch this space 👍
 
Other than the unlikeness of the face, which is disappointing I think it throws up a wider point about how The Armfield Club, being essentially a private business, can be influenced by the wider fan base.

It's tricky, because the club and the members and the management and owners do a huge amount in the area and the club and for the Town, but when it's basically dropped one in regards the caricaturist they hired producing something nothing like many of the contributors expected, they can't be held accountable as it's a private business.

On reflection, it probably just needs chalking down to experience and when it's reworked (which is inevitable) it'll be part of the learning experience of the people attached to it.

At some point, when it's less raw, everyone will laugh about it but I guess we aren't there yet due to embarrassment.

FWIW I'll continue to contribute to the Armfield in the future as I think they've earned our trust and this episode shouldn't tarnish it.
 
From my personal experience with all who are involved with the running of the Armfield and the many projects which come out of there... They've always had what's right for the Football club at the forefront of their minds , they're passionate about the team and loyal to fellow supporters. Things haven't gone as planned with this project but they have been proactive with getting it sorted and, like the rest of us, know nothing less than correct will suffice when it comes to Jimmy 👍 It'll get sorted for sure
 
TSSeasider said:
Other than the unlikeness of the face, which is disappointing I think it throws up a wider point about how The Armfield Club, being essentially a private business, can be influenced by the wider fan base.

It's tricky, because the club and the members and the management and owners do a huge amount in the area and the club and for the Town, but when it's basically dropped one in regards the caricaturist they hired producing something nothing like many of the contributors expected, they can't be held accountable as it's a private business.

On reflection, it probably just needs chalking down to experience and when it's reworked (which is inevitable) it'll be part of the learning experience of the people attached to it.

At some point, when it's less raw, everyone will laugh about it but I guess we aren't there yet due to embarrassment.

FWIW I'll continue to contribute to the Armfield in the future as I think they've earned our trust and this episode shouldn't tarnish it.
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You are missing one important point, although you’re completely right it is a private business, the mural was paid for by voluntary subscription. Mostly made up of ofd £10 & £20 paid by people in one of the most deprived areas of the country who wanted to pay homage to their hero. So whilst no one is having a go at the Armfield or the people who run it, I think they are entitled to ecpress an opinion on something they, not the Armfield Club have paid gor.
 
Goforgoal said:
You are missing one important point, although you’re completely right it is a private business, the mural was paid for by voluntary subscription. Mostly made up of ofd £10 & £20 paid by people in one of the most deprived areas of the country who wanted to pay homage to their hero. So whilst no one is having a go at the Armfield or the people who run it, I think they are entitled to ecpress an opinion on something they, not the Armfield Club have paid gor.
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Agree, anyone who donated had a right to express an opinion.
 
I'm probably another who'd like to see a further rework as it's obvious that it still needs some bigger changes. This weeks intervention looks to have definitely improved things but I get what Purdonkey says about the difficult medium and tricky nature of amending the work of someone else. I do think your idea, Purdonkey, of having the face blanked and redone has a lot of merit. As others say though, I'd whip in again to get it right.

I did have another gander on the original artist's FB page to see his other stuff. One or two I liked- the Churchill he did looked good in his style, for example - and some of it was on the same tack as our mural i.e. not particularly good in my view. However what I found bizarre, and why FB is largely a pointless bag of toss if you want genuine feedback, is when you read the comments for his post on the JA mural. All ott praise, congratulations and saying it is brilliant, not a single thing saying even mild critical comment like 'the eyes look a little off', or even, 'is that Rigsby?'!

I bet the guys head is spinning if he reads that and then comes on here and gets a more let's say 'honest' appraisal of his work 😂 Though his FB posts suggest he is a Man U fan so I doubt he reads the board....
 
Purdonkey said:
From my personal experience with all who are involved with the running of the Armfield and the many projects which come out of there... They've always had what's right for the Football club at the forefront of their minds , they're passionate about the team and loyal to fellow supporters. Things haven't gone as planned with this project but they have been proactive with getting it sorted and, like the rest of us, know nothing less than correct will suffice when it comes to Jimmy 👍 It'll get sorted for sure
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It’s just one of them things … We had something done with a wall at work a few years ago with a local spray artist that just didn’t work out right…Sometimes stuff just doesn’t turn out as you expected.

Of course, if it’s not right, people are going to chirp up and say so…There’s no point pretending something’s right when it’s not, but I don’t think anyone needs to be blamed for it…these things happen.

Whatever it needs to get sorted, then I’m sure everyone is happy to pitch in. If that’s a redo of the head, a complete start again job or whatever is decided… Then fair enough 👍👍
 
Purdonkey said:
I will say...the overall opinion of the general public passing was very positive, there were some great comments about the piece. However they don't really know the subject and that's the most pivotal part unfortunately.
The suggestion I've now made to the organisers is that the face should be totally blanked out and instead be templated to ensure the likeness is correct . All is not lost just yet, its certainly fixable, watch this space 👍
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That's good to hear.

So you used paint trying to create a spray effect, so do you not us spray the way the original artist did?

I think the rest of the piece looks pretty good and striking, it's just if the face was more alike it would be way better. Also the think the street sign would look better as on the original image with a black border round it.
 
Another one here who is more than willing to contribute to another fundraiser, I'm sure there are plenty of graffiti artists out there who could do a cracking job.

As has been pointed out, didnt the 10k go towards sorting the wall out itself? It would just be a case of raising funds purely for commissioning an artist this time
 
Noticed this in Ireland last month.. it's a great bit of wall art..even though it's not football related it's sports related with hurling
 

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JJpool said:
That's good to hear.

So you used paint trying to create a spray effect, so do you not us spray the way the original artist did?

I think the rest of the piece looks pretty good and striking, it's just if the face was more alike it would be way better. Also the think the street sign would look better as on the original image with a black border round it.
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In total agreement with you, the issues now lie with the face and the sign. I'm a painter not a sprayer so it was always going to be a difficult merge attempt. It needs a spray artist back to sort the face so the corrections are seamless. I've offered to assist with the templating if required so we will see what the next step is now 👍
 
Purdonkey said:
In total agreement with you, the issues now lie with the face and the sign. I'm a painter not a sprayer so it was always going to be a difficult merge attempt. It needs a spray artist back to sort the face so the corrections are seamless. I've offered to assist with the templating if required so we will see what the next step is now 👍
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You’ve done more than your share of trying to sort this and I’m sure it’s really appreciated 👍
 
Purdonkey said:
In total agreement with you, the issues now lie with the face and the sign. I'm a painter not a sprayer so it was always going to be a difficult merge attempt. It needs a spray artist back to sort the face so the corrections are seamless. I've offered to assist with the templating if required so we will see what the next step is now 👍
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The first step should be, as you say, finding and commissioning, the right person for the job and the total cost. The second step should be finding out if at least some of the first round of contributors are willing to step up again. From some of the posts on this thread it appears a good number are, for the right job.
 
Well I saw it in real life yesterday, I thought it would be better than the pictures, but it’s actually worse, it’s awful. The only positive is that unless you’re a Blackpool supporter, you wouldn’t know who it was.
 
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