Jimmy Armfield Mural Update 🧡🧡🧡🧡

I'm sorry, but that looks ** dogshit.

Did whoever was organising this not get a professional in to do the job?

If that was my own work I would say it was someone else's. It really is that bad.
That’s what I don’t understand. If this is typical of the “artist” why was he chosen he obviously thinks it’s great. On his social media after he had “finished “ he posted it was one of the best he had done and was quote “very proud” of it.
 
I know we have already contributed and money is tight, but I think the Armfield should try again. Get a proper quote for a proper job and see what we can raise. I would be prepared to make a sizeable start to the pot, if a representative would like to pm me I would tell them how much.
I’ll chip in again to get it right….
 
That’s what I don’t understand. If this is typical of the “artist” why was he chosen he obviously thinks it’s great. On his social media after he had “finished “ he posted it was one of the best he had done and was quote “very proud” of it.
Do you know the artists name? I'm interested to look up some of his other work to see if that's also as dire.

I'm fairly sure you could take a short trip up to Manchester and you'd have people queuing for a job like this that can actually do it. There's 2 massive unis there, both with MASSIVE art schools and facilities. That's not even mentioning people who just graff the absolute shit out of Manchester streets. Some of the mural stuff there is unbelievable.

Fuck me, I've just remembered that in Blackpool Town itself there's a shit load of really good mural work as well!

Where the fuck were those guys when they booked this cowboy?????

I am actually embarrassed of this.

PNE fans will be rubbing their buttery fingers together in glee no doubt.
 
The likeness of the face has improved, but if we're being honest, it's not quite right and touching up someone else's job in short time with different method was really asking too much.

I'm not convinced about the idea of going for a photographic print to be honest... I think it just cheapens the whole idea, rather than being something that genuinely does justice to someone held in such great regard by the Club and Town.

It doesn't look like there is any shortage of artists who are more than capable of producing a fitting design and so for me... If the plan was to scrap this and start again, then I'd go big or not at all.... 👍

As others have said, I'd be more than happy to contribute if that's what is decided.
 
Please lets stop this now. It's awful. It looks nothing like the great man and has become an embarrassment. I have nothing but respect for the people that raised the money for the mural. What is meant to be a heartfelt tribute exposes a great player and ambassador to ridicule. The task at hand proved to be a little beyond the abilities of the artist and so lets move on. I think Jimmy deserves better than a patch up job or the dreaded 'It'll do'. Sometimes things just don't work out - this is one of those times. Let's start again and write off a bad job. I found this the other day - it shows what is possible, a really accurate depiction of Tony Wilson in Manchester. This is the standard we should be aiming for if not better and if we can't manage it then lets call it a day.

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It’s alright but not sure about the babies bottom chin!
 
I left yesterday not totally happy with what Id managed to achieve. I said from the off its a massive task and it has to be 100% right because of who it is and how much he means to the town, the club and us.
I'd love to see a more photographic piece personally. I mocked up this below yesterday, its simple and respectful I think .
As stated earlier any type of image like that could be enlarged and stretched onto the gable end and it would be as impactful. View attachment 12335
A much better picture than the one they used.
 
The cheese burger eyes need sorting, sort his eyes out and it will start to look more like Sir Jim
 
Do you know the artists name? I'm interested to look up some of his other work to see if that's also as dire.

I'm fairly sure you could take a short trip up to Manchester and you'd have people queuing for a job like this that can actually do it. There's 2 massive unis there, both with MASSIVE art schools and facilities. That's not even mentioning people who just graff the absolute shit out of Manchester streets. Some of the mural stuff there is unbelievable.

Fuck me, I've just remembered that in Blackpool Town itself there's a shit load of really good mural work as well!

Where the fuck were those guys when they booked this cowboy?????

I am actually embarrassed of this.

PNE fans will be rubbing their buttery fingers together in glee no doubt.
His name is Matt Bishop, he's @Bizy_82 on Instagram.

He did the mural inside the Community Trust. Think that's how he got the job, but thats hardly great either.
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To be fair to the guy he's done some good stuff. His cartoons and some of the animals he's done are really good.

Just dont think portraits are his forte unfortunately.
 
To be fair to the guy he's done some good stuff. His cartoons and some of the animals he's done are really good.

Just dont think portraits are his forte unfortunately.
Then whoever commissioned him either shouldn’t have done or, should have made clear to the contributors it was going to be a cartoon/ caricature. Instead we were asked to vote on and contribute towards something we were never going to get.
 
His name is Matt Bishop, he's @Bizy_82 on Instagram.

He did the mural inside the Community Trust. Think that's how he got the job, but thats hardly great either.
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He's not totally shite at what he does to be fair to him. Seems to be fairly decent at cartoon style stuff, and i really like a lot of his stuff that isn't a human face (the stuff that is human face is all rather turd, even though it IS supposed to be cartoonish.... 👀)

It's not exactly photo realism though is it?

This is more down to the people that picked him for the job, rather than the man who's done it.

Not fit for purpose.
 
Let’s not turn on the Armfield guys over this, they’ve done an amazing job turning the club into something all our supporters can be proud of.
A mistake’s been made, let’s stick together to rectify it.
I’m sure they’re as disappointed as we are, if not more so.
Not turning on anyone, just stating the facts.

My previous post said the artist was whack.

He's not whack - he's just not the right man for the job.

I would deffo chip in to sorting this out.
 
Not turning on anyone, just stating the facts.

My previous post said the artist was whack.

He's not whack - he's just not the right man for the job.

I would deffo chip in to sorting this out.
Correct, I don’t know enough about different styles of art to criticise anyone. As I posted earlier, and you have just said, his style wasn’t what the majority where expecting, hence the bitter disappointment from most people. As to turning on anyone, that’s not quite correct, it’s more misinformation than anything. It wasn’t what we thought we were getting, whoever commissioned him had a completely different perception of what was wanted and many people who could ill afford it contributed and now think the money and opportunity was wasted. This, as it is, will never be a source of pride to most supporters, it’s now time to draw a veil over the whole situation and start again. This time with the finished art being what is expected. I know it’s asking a lot for people to contribute once again so soon, but that’s the only way. Bite the bullet, accept a mistake was made and see if we can put it right.
 
Correct, I don’t know enough about different styles of art to criticise anyone. As I posted earlier, and you have just said, his style wasn’t what the majority where expecting, hence the bitter disappointment from most people. As to turning on anyone, that’s not quite correct, it’s more misinformation than anything. It wasn’t what we thought we were getting, whoever commissioned him had a completely different perception of what was wanted and many people who could ill afford it contributed and now think the money and opportunity was wasted. This, as it is, will never be a source of pride to most supporters, it’s now time to draw a veil over the whole situation and start again. This time with the finished art being what is expected. I know it’s asking a lot for people to contribute once again so soon, but that’s the only way. Bite the bullet, accept a mistake was made and see if we can put it right.
How much was raised altogether?
 
How much was raised altogether?
Correct, I don’t know enough about different styles of art to criticise anyone. As I posted earlier, and you have just said, his style wasn’t what the majority where expecting, hence the bitter disappointment from most people. As to turning on anyone, that’s not quite correct, it’s more misinformation than anything. It wasn’t what we thought we were getting, whoever commissioned him had a completely different perception of what was wanted and many people who could ill afford it contributed and now think the money and opportunity was wasted. This, as it is, will never be a source of pride to most supporters, it’s now time to draw a veil over the whole situation and start again. This time with the finished art being what is expected. I know it’s asking a lot for people to contribute once again so soon, but that’s the only way. Bite the bullet, accept a mistake was made and see if we can put it right.
Fully agree with that Gfg. No point in blaming anyone but time to put it right and start again with a mural befitting to our Jim. I would be more than happy to contribute to a new mural but the fund raising request should come from the Armfield Club.
 
I wonder if it's possible this time to have a vote on an actual mockup from the artists being considered? The only thing more embarrassing than having to redo this, is having to redo it twice. I'm happy to contribute, but I'm not sure that I have confidence in the powers that be choosing the right artist tbh.
 
Think the 10k inc a fair bit for prepping the wall which wouldn't need to be re-done
Hopefully the next one will cost a good bit less, as you say the prep has already been done. However there is still the cost of covering the existing one, which also not be cheap. The sooner the cost is established the better.
 
I wonder if it's possible this time to have a vote on an actual mockup from the artists being considered? The only thing more embarrassing than having to redo this, is having to redo it twice. I'm happy to contribute, but I'm not sure that I have confidence in the powers that be choosing the right artist tbh.
Good shout, but I think they would be extremely careful before commissioning another.
 
I would hope that some form of a small committee is involved to seek the views of fans / potential contributors and then agree the artist(s) prior to any recommissioning of the work.
Not sure who was involved in the selection of the artist first time round but it is clear that this is not what the majority of fans / contributors expected, nor wanted.

I also think it will be a lot harder to raise the 10k again. Even taking on board TAMs comments that any new figure would be lower than that it is still going to be a big ask.
 
Hopefully the next one will cost a good bit less, as you say the prep has already been done. However there is still the cost of covering the existing one, which also not be cheap. The sooner the cost is established the better.
My mum is an artist she does fine art, she said for something like this to get a decent street artist would be about £10k, the spray cans alone would cost thousands as well as travelling expenses, hotel/air b&b costs, hiring the cherry picker. They would want to paint completely over this to start off with as well, so that's more paint they need on top. Doubt they will get someone who can do Jimmy proud for any less.
 
If it is going to be redone then it could be worth reaching out to someone like Akse P19 who did the Marcus Rashford mural to see exactly how much someone his level would cost. I know that they're not cheap.
 
If it is going to be redone then it could be worth reaching out to someone like Akse P19 who did the Marcus Rashford mural to see exactly how much someone his level would cost. I know that they're not cheap.
I know nothing about artists so just had a look at him on Instagram and he's exactly what we thought we were getting.

This is his latest one of Pete Shelly in Wigan. It's unreal.

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He's one of the best portrait Street artist I've seen, but that obviously means he isn't cheap. There are others around as well, but just though it might be an idea to see what someone his level would cost.
 
For £10,000 worth if donations, you would have thought they would have done their research and got this right.

Christ on a bike.... 🏍
Surely the artist was given some kind of remit though? This look like one of those computerised digital “people” you see running around in computer games shooting at others
 
Let’s not turn on the Armfield guys over this, they’ve done an amazing job turning the club into something all our supporters can be proud of.
A mistake’s been made, let’s stick together to rectify it.
I’m sure they’re as disappointed as we are, if not more so.
Heads should roll for this mistake.
 
Questions need to be answered given the amount of money raised from supporters.

Who selected the artist and why?

Did they know he was a caricature artist and if not why?

What was the brief given to him, was it to do a caricature and if not, why did he do it that way?

How much was he paid?

If he didn’t follow the brief, can he be brought back to start all over again?
 
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