Kier not messing about

Did you watch it Athers. Starmer was dreadful and Boris had him on the ropes a couple of times and he showed he couldn’t think on his feet. It’s all very well preparing detailed questions like he’s in court but people are allowed to fight back in the House. Boris with the crowd behind him soon will make mincemeat of the dour Remainer.
 
The Tories have been rattled by Bozo's inept and unconvincing performances against Starmer of late and the wrath of the Tory propoganda rags sulking like bitches so Bumpkin came out fighting and all the Tory boys were told to fire it up and back up the lame duck. Raab got told off and threatened with eviction if he continued his boohooing 'it's not fair' bleating. Still Bozo looked useless!!
 
It’s like shooting fish in a barrel though. Anyone of us could go up there and tear Boris a new one at PMQ’s at the moment.

Having said that, Sir Kier Fielding is looking very promising for Labour. This country has missed a competent opposition for ages.... looks like we have one now, which won’t do any of us any harm.
 
The usual culprits on here can try to convince themselves that Sir Keir and Labour are relevant to British politics and indeed that might come in time, although they have nothing to offer in the foreseeable future. The fact is that the people chose Boris and the Tories to run this country and would do so again. All the vitriol of frustrated posters on a football message board is not going to change that.
 
Memphisboy said:
Did you watch it Athers. Starmer was dreadful and Boris had him on the ropes a couple of times and he showed he couldn’t think on his feet. It’s all very well preparing detailed questions like he’s in court but people are allowed to fight back in the House. Boris with the crowd behind him soon will make mincemeat of the dour Remainer.
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Do you actually make sense of what you're watching or do you have an agenda that cuts out the reality bits?
 
Tangiverse said:
Indeed, but all the press, by that I don't mean the Tory filth rags we have to put up with in the UK, but the world press will show this faker up for what he is. He will be outed and the plotters in the shadows are forming and I suspect the knives may well be out for him.
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So, UK media is not going to out Boris as a faker because they are all Tory filth rags, but the non-UK press is. And because of this you suspect that knives will be out for him. Bizarre. It must be lonely in your little fantasy world.
 
Starmer is very slick there's no doubt about that. He's a little dull and wooden but that's not really relevant. It's his policies that are the important thing and that's what I'm waiting to see. As a barrister you've be disappointed if he couldn't give Johnson a run for his money at the despatch box. But I think Starmer may face much bigger battles than Johnson in the not too distant future and they may come from his own party.
Personally I could hack a moderate Labour government led by Starmer. Far more than a hard left government led by Corbyn.
 
tangerinenotorange said:
So, UK media is not going to out Boris as a faker because they are all Tory filth rags, but the non-UK press is. And because of this you suspect that knives will be out for him. Bizarre. It must be lonely in your little fantasy world.
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Fortunetly, there is now a plethora of independent news creators and political commentators that have grown all over social media platforms not just globally but here in the UK and are not hamstrung by the dominance of the Tory rags and as they are having a marked decline in their readership their influnce will decline. The knives will be out as evidenced by reactions in certain Tory rags who are getting a little uncomfartable with Bozos latest performances.
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
Hate that Starmer he’s an arrogant cocky prick. I don’t think it matters who is government whether it be conservative labour etc They would all have struggled sorting this pandemic out . Starmer needs to wind his neck in
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Ladies and gentlemen I present you a classic working class bootlicker.
 
Tangiverse said:
Fortunetly, there is now a plethora of independent news creators and political commentators that have grown all over social media platforms not just globally but here in the UK and are not hamstrung by the dominance of the Tory rags and as they are having a marked decline in their readership their influnce will decline. The knives will be out as evidenced by reactions in certain Tory rags who are getting a little uncomfartable with Bozos latest performances.
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So now you're saying it is the UK media that have their knives out for the Prime Minister. And you claim that "knives will be out as evidenced by reactions in certain Tory rags who are getting a little uncomfartable with Bozos latest performances". Let's face it, you don't even have a story. Even if the media were against Boris, which they're not, the public is behind him and he is the most secure PM this country has had for decades. On the positive side, I do like your use of the word uncomfartable. I might use it myself.
 
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michellebutterflyhotel said:
Hate that Starmer he’s an arrogant cocky prick. I don’t think it matters who is government whether it be conservative labour etc They would all have struggled sorting this pandemic out . Starmer needs to wind his neck in
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Labour hater runs boarding house in Blackpool. I’m sure that would go down well with your punters 🙄
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
Hate that Starmer he’s an arrogant cocky prick. I don’t think it matters who is government whether it be conservative labour etc They would all have struggled sorting this pandemic out . Starmer needs to wind his neck in
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The conservative labour etc: is this a new political party? I think we should be told.
 
I love the rage of people when Boris faces parliamentary scrutiny.

Want Brexit to get parliamentary sovereignty.

Rage at Starmer for asking questions in parliament.

Not having an opposition asking questions would mean we didn't have a parliamentary system, we'd have a dictatorship.

Like Boris just saved us from (so I heard)

Return to point 1.
 
Fact is, labour and the media have been frothing st the mouth thinking they had Boris on care homes, but as he rightly said yesterday, no patient is discharged from hospital unless clinicians confirm they’re fit to do so.

The only thing I’m surprised about is why it’s taken so long to point this out. I wonder when they will point out that 10,000 care homes are under private ownership and profit making. I know one guy who sold his a couple of years ago for £1.2m.
 
Matesrates said:
Fact is, labour and the media have been frothing st the mouth thinking they had Boris on care homes, but as he rightly said yesterday, no patient is discharged from hospital unless clinicians confirm they’re fit to do so.

The only thing I’m surprised about is why it’s taken so long to point this out. I wonder when they will point out that 10,000 care homes are under private ownership and profit making. I know one guy who sold his a couple of years ago for £1.2m.
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So it's the fault of the NHS? Take it you won't be clapping them tonight. Perhaps you should Boo!!
 
southshorepool said:
So it's the fault of the NHS? Take it you won't be clapping them tonight. Perhaps you should Boo!!
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Totally missing the point everyone has been blaming Boris for the care home deaths like he is the person who has been sending folk home from hospitals which isn't true.
We don't blame anyone folk need to stop looking for scapegoats all the time.

I like Starmer and he is certainly a lot better what came recently before him and would make a good PM.
 
People on here just love to Boris bash for the sake of it. It’s interesting that nobody seems to want to blame the real culprit behind all this. Suppose it just doesn’t suit your agenda.
 
southshorepool said:
So it's the fault of the NHS? Take it you won't be clapping them tonight. Perhaps you should Boo!!
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He didn’t say that did he. He repeated the facts, he didn’t declare himself an NHS hater at all. But why not make that invisible jump to suit your political agenda.
And as for your clapping tonight remark, quite ridiculous to be honest.
 
Lala said:
He didn’t say that did he. He repeated the facts, he didn’t declare himself an NHS hater at all. But why not make that invisible jump to suit your political agenda.
And as for your clapping tonight remark, quite ridiculous to be honest.
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Do you think? Johnson literally blamed the 'clinicians' and matesrates agreed.
 
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Seasider said:
Yes she does seem a spiteful and bitter person.
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I don’t hate labour. I don’t vote for any of these so called leaders But all Starmer has done during this pandemic since he got voted in is criticise everything. The point I was trying to get across was the fact regardless of who was the prime minister or government in these unprecedented times would have been able to do any better. They would all have struggled
 
Lala said:
He stated a fact.
He didn’t say I blame the NHS so maybe I should boo them tonight.
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It was a one sided fact that had no context. Some 'clinicians' ( who...err...work for the NHS) are claiming it was pressure from Govt. bodies to do it. Let's see. These things tend to come out in the wash.
 
poolseasider said:
Totally missing the point everyone has been blaming Boris for the care home deaths like he is the person who has been sending folk home from hospitals which isn't true.
We don't blame anyone folk need to stop looking for scapegoats all the time.

I like Starmer and he is certainly a lot better what came recently before him and would make a good PM.
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The person at the top has the ultimate responsibility to change policy if it is doing harm.
 
Loco said:
The person at the top has the ultimate responsibility to change policy if it is doing harm.
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Why is it that the person at the top in this country is responsible for everything that is wrong but not responsible for things that are right. Just wondering like.
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
I don’t hate labour. I don’t vote for any of these so called leaders But all Starmer has done during this pandemic since he got voted in is criticise everything. The point I was trying to get across was the fact regardless of who was the prime minister or government in these unprecedented times would have been able to do any better. They would all have struggled
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I’m afraid to say all that Starmer has done is criticise everything just isn’t true.

He’s said repeatedly that he understands the difficult decisions the government has to take and, like many of us, gave them the benefit of the doubt initially. But as time has progressed it’s become more obvious the government have made a complete horlicks of the management of the public health crisis. Examples?

Failure to impose a quarantine on travellers entering the country months after other countries did so.
Failure to protect the most vulnerable people in care homes, by testing people transferred from hospital for covid19.
Failure to provide adequate PPE for frontline staff and care workers, even now
Failure to follow the advice of WHO and “test, test, test” and lying about the number of tests undertaken (in the post is not the same as a test that’s been carried out).
Failure to have a workable trace and track system.

I could go on, but I think you take my point. In the circumstances I don’t think it’s fair to criticise Starmer or, demand he “pulls his neck in” when he’s simply asking questions the country is entitled to ask. It is, after all, his job: to scrutinise band hold the government to account.
 
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tangerinenotorange said:
Why is it that the person at the top in this country is responsible for everything that is wrong but not responsible for things that are right. Just wondering like.
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Because it’s his job to take responsibility?

And I don’t doubt Johnson will be the first to claim the credit for any successes.

I used to work with someone like that. Every success was exclusively down to him. Every failure was blamed on someone else, even when his fingerprints were all over it.
 
Let's sum up.

The first PM I remember is Harold Wilson. He was Labour but I don't know if he was extremely left wing or not. Since then up to present date we've had a mixture of Conservative and Labour govt's. Two points here. Politics and govt is cyclical. No govt usually lasts more than two terms and no Labour govt has ever had an extreme left wing leader. Michael Foot was unelectable because of it,, John Smith might have got in but sadly he died. Blair realised this and he moved his party and I think people have to say he was initially a big success. But in gov't there are usually defining moments. Blair and the Iraq war cost him. Thatcher survived on the back of the Falklands War and the patriotism that brought out in the British people. Brown lost out because of the banking crisis. Corbyn was unelectable because he had no clear policy on Brexit, he associated himself with terrorists and cared little for the important issue of defence. Starmer has come in and hopefully he realises the mistakes of Corbyn and Corbynites [those on here know who they are] and that to follow that path has little chance of success. He needs to get Labour back on track fighting for that so called centre ground and I bet that once this current crisis is over he and the party will go from strength to strength as a credible opposition and come the next election will have every chance of success. If he fails to learn the lessons of history then they will suffer again.

The NHS even though a massive topic wasn't the subject of discussion that it currently is. My view on the NHS is that it's unfixable. You can throw as many billions as you want at it you will never solve all the problems it has. Why? Because the NHS is a totally different animal to what it first was and what it was even only forty years ago. Technology has advanced greatly regarding all the studies of various diseases illnesses etc. I'd guess the pharmaceutical companies are making massive and obscene profits out of the NHS. There's so much more around now that we think we know about and how to treat it sand that all costs.

Now, all that said, we still need the NHS. We still need it to do the things it does. It's one of the things that being British should make you proud. I just think that we need to accept that the NHS is and always will be like throwing money down a black hole but it's something we need to do.

There you go, I think that's a very reasonable minded post.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I’m afraid to say all that Starmer has done is criticise everything just isn’t true.

He’s said repeatedly that he understands the difficult decisions the government has to take and, like many of us, gave them the benefit of the doubt initially. But as time has progressed it’s become more obvious the government have made a complete horlicks of the management of the public health crisis. Examples?

Failure to impose a quarantine on travellers entering the country months after other countries did so.
Failure to protect the most vulnerable people in care homes, by testing people transferred from hospital for covid19.
Failure to provide adequate PPE for frontline staff and care workers, even now
Failure to follow the advice of WHO and “test, test, test” and lying about the number of tests undertaken (in the post is not the same as a test that’s been carried out).
Failure to have a workable trace and track system.

I could go on, but I think you take my point. In the circumstances I don’t think it’s fair to criticise Starmer or, demand he “pulls his neck in” when he’s simply asking questions the country is entitled to ask. It is, after all, his job: to scrutinise band hold the government to account.
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But would any other government have done any better or in fact worse ?
As for PPE every country was scrambling to get it and its in very short supply
It’s not up to the government to provide all private care homes with PPE either only the council run care homes
Everything had had to be done and built from scratch. I still say anybody in government would have struggled in the same way. That was my point initially.
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
But would any other government have done any better or in fact worse ?
As for PPE every country was scrambling to get it and its in very short supply
It’s not up to the government to provide all private care homes with PPE either only the council run care homes
Everything had had to be done and built from scratch. I still say anybody in government would have struggled in the same way. That was my point initially.
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Well the governments of other countries clearly have done better than this government.

But leaving that to one side, how does a hypothetical question about whether a different government in the UK might have done a better job, translate into Starmer not being entitled to do his job and ask questions? In a democracy?
 
20togo said:
Let's sum up.

The first PM I remember is Harold Wilson. He was Labour but I don't know if he was extremely left wing or not. Since then up to present date we've had a mixture of Conservative and Labour govt's. Two points here. Politics and govt is cyclical. No govt usually lasts more than two terms and no Labour govt has ever had an extreme left wing leader. Michael Foot was unelectable because of it,, John Smith might have got in but sadly he died. Blair realised this and he moved his party and I think people have to say he was initially a big success. But in gov't there are usually defining moments. Blair and the Iraq war cost him. Thatcher survived on the back of the Falklands War and the patriotism that brought out in the British people. Brown lost out because of the banking crisis. Corbyn was unelectable because he had no clear policy on Brexit, he associated himself with terrorists and cared little for the important issue of defence. Starmer has come in and hopefully he realises the mistakes of Corbyn and Corbynites [those on here know who they are] and that to follow that path has little chance of success. He needs to get Labour back on track fighting for that so called centre ground and I bet that once this current crisis is over he and the party will go from strength to strength as a credible opposition and come the next election will have every chance of success. If he fails to learn the lessons of history then they will suffer again.

The NHS even though a massive topic wasn't the subject of discussion that it currently is. My view on the NHS is that it's unfixable. You can throw as many billions as you want at it you will never solve all the problems it has. Why? Because the NHS is a totally different animal to what it first was and what it was even only forty years ago. Technology has advanced greatly regarding all the studies of various diseases illnesses etc. I'd guess the pharmaceutical companies are making massive and obscene profits out of the NHS. There's so much more around now that we think we know about and how to treat it sand that all costs.

Now, all that said, we still need the NHS. We still need it to do the things it does. It's one of the things that being British should make you proud. I just think that we need to accept that the NHS is and always will be like throwing money down a black hole but it's something we need to do.

There you go, I think that's a very reasonable minded post.
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Very reasonable.

And very informed for someone “not interested in politics” 😂
 
tangerinenotorange said:
Why is it that the person at the top in this country is responsible for everything that is wrong but not responsible for things that are right. Just wondering like.


Mexboroseasider said:
Because it’s his job to take responsibility? And I don’t doubt Johnson will be the first to claim the credit for any successes.
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Why don't you doubt it ? Is he actually claiming credit or is it all in your mind?
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Scaramanga said:
People on here just love to Boris bash for the sake of it. It’s interesting that nobody seems to want to blame the real culprit behind all this. Suppose it just doesn’t suit your agenda.
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Yeah, it's about time that someone gave that Mother Nature a good kicking for this.... clearly our global warming attempts have not put the b*tch in her place yet - let's have her!
 
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