I can only think we believe we can get better with the money on offer from Millwall? Shayne has been woefully out of form for a while, I can see why the club may be happy to sell but would like to see someone in first!I just don’t get it, as has been pointed out, 10 goals last season and he didn’t play every game and he does chase and press which is what we’re supposed to be doing. I guess MA doesn’t fancy him, or doesn’t see him in his meth of playing. Nevertheless, why sell, or loan him to another championship club.
How have you managed to blame Critchley?He looks unfit to me and Critchleys over tinkering and rotation hasn't helped him at all
I don't think Critchleys rotation has helped any of our players Yates includedHow have you managed to blame Critchley?
We play 433 and it doesn’t suit him at all so it makes sense for a move away for game time.
He hasn’t looked the same player since his injury, nothing to do with Critchley, let it go ffs.
I agree with you on the Yates front Phil.... I think certain players work off confidence (Bowler is another) and I think that the constant fannying around didn't help their game at all.I don't think Critchleys rotation has helped any of our players Yates included
You had times last season when people scored and then didn't play the next match
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Agree on Yates but you’re talking about Lavery.I don't think Critchleys rotation has helped any of our players Yates included
You had times last season when people scored and then didn't play the next match
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Yes he got injured but he was rotated along with several other playersAgree on Yates but you’re talking about Lavery.
It was his injury that stopped any momentum he was building.
Think it's the club trying to adapt the squad to the different system of the new manager and the fact he's not scored in his last 14 appearances with us.To me it’s muddled thinking in the recruiting strategy. Same as having no right back for ages then signing Gabriel and Sterling. Then you have to keep rotating to maintain sharpness and some level of squad harmony.
I think it would be a shame to let him go. There’s a player there, but I can’t disagree with the point that he’s not suited to 4-3-3.
Fitness- easy enough to sort.He looks unfit to me and Critchleys over tinkering and rotation hasn't helped him at all
Can't disagree with the recruitment. Yet another player brought in on a 3 year deal and lasted 1 if he goes on a perm (can't see it being a loan). If it's a loan, then more wages still being paid and then another wage for his replacement.To me it’s muddled thinking in the recruiting strategy. Same as having no right back for ages then signing Gabriel and Sterling. Then you have to keep rotating to maintain sharpness and some level of squad harmony.
I think it would be a shame to let him go. There’s a player there, but I can’t disagree with the point that he’s not suited to 4-3-3.
Possibly, but isn’t the set up supposed to work on a bigger strategy than how each new coach wants to play?Think it's the club trying to adapt the squad to the different system of the new manager and the fact he's not scored in his last 14 appearances with us.
For all we know, he might be on the same path as Joe Nuttall where it just never happens for him again but he did seem to have an eye for goal when he first arrived last season so will be interesting to track how he gets on.
Sadly both him and Virtue are just not the same players since their injuries both are clearly struggling to nail down a regular starting place.Yes he got injured but he was rotated along with several other players
It's an odd one for me.... I thought that Critchley was supposed to favour 433... And that our ultimate aim was to deliver exciting attacking football... To that extent, you'd have thought the recruitment policy would have always been to support that system.... As I understood it the system adopted by Critchley was about pragmatism (rather than objective) and an acceptance that, at the time, we didn't have the players to play winning 433.Possibly, but isn’t the set up supposed to work on a bigger strategy than how each new coach wants to play?
Yep it's all a bit scattergun, as I said 2 years agoIt's an odd one for me.... I thought that Critchley was supposed to favour 433... And that our ultimate aim was to deliver exciting attacking football... To that extent, you'd have thought the recruitment policy would have always been to support that system.... As I understood it the system adopted by Critchley was about pragmatism (rather than objective) and an acceptance that, at the time, we didn't have the players to play winning 433.
However, listening to the recent interview it comes across that our recruitment policy had actually been altered already and rather than supporting an eventual transition to 433, we were recruiting to fit the interim 'make do and mend / compromise' system.
Then we've recruited someone else who aims to play an attacking 433 and we find ourselves having not transitioned towards that system, with a recruitment policy that supports a system we never wanted to play in the first place and a New Manager who needs to pretty much rebuild the entire squad (which all comes at a big cost to SS and the Club).
I've been pretty positive about the decision making on the whole, but I have to admit that this recruitment thing has me absolutely stumped...
Thinking back to last season Critchleys over tinkering and rotation didn’t help a lot of the players TBH, and I’m still pissed off with him after that shit show at Peterborough and I’ll never understand that team selection as long as l live especially in front of all the supporters who made the trip!He looks unfit to me and Critchleys over tinkering and rotation hasn't helped him at all
I think Critchley had given up by then as he was clearly looking for a way outThinking back to last season Critchleys over tinkering and rotation didn’t help a lot of the players TBH, and I’m still pissed off with him after that shit show at Peterborough and I’ll never understand that team selection as long as l live especially in front of all the supporters who made the trip!
Spot on and as you say highly unprofessional but totally disrespectful to the supporters, that was the day l gave up on him and even if he had stayed he would have been found wanting this season!I think Critchley had given up by then as he was clearly looking for a way out
Highly unprofessional
Clubs in a league below probably wouldn't have the money for a player who has scored goals in the Championship so perhaps the best deal financially?Don’t get why sell him to a rival club in our league
can see it , lavery scores and pool are relegated
I get he dosnt look fit , ripping his hamstring last season , he hasn’t been same since
It's only the odd tweak rather than a full scale overhaul so the general strategy will largely remain the same. It's like Tesco's introducing Yo-Sushi into their stores and needing a few Sushi chefs rather than more shelf stackers.Possibly, but isn’t the set up supposed to work on a bigger strategy than how each new coach wants to play?
The pathetic Liverpool love in at the pre season friendly was when I knew he was a wrong unSpot on and as you say highly unprofessional but totally disrespectful to the supporters, that was the day l gave up on him and even if he had stayed he would have been found wanting this season!
I tend to agree. I also think it was very evident that once we got to around November, Lavery was much more constrained in his play. One of his great attributes was his closing defenders and keepers down with a tad of aggression. That disappeared and he sat deeper that was almost certainly tacticalI don't think Critchleys rotation has helped any of our players Yates included
You had times last season when people scored and then didn't play the next match
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Even when he scored in January...Against Millwall...?For me, he hasn't looked like scoring since before Christmas. He can go for me. We need to get better.
Why have you put uninspired in quotation marks ???? This forum is weird.I don’t think we should be selling any forward until we have brought one in.
Having impressed me when he first came, been pretty “un-inspired” with him to be honest, weather playing Critch’s 442 or App’s 433.
I personally think we should have a squad that can play any formation, I agree in favouring one system though if we know our best 11
I see a lot of the young Brett in Lavery. First stint, he had a burst of pace and energy that could really throw defenders and was an instinctive finisher. Put him through on a 1-on-1 however, and he missed far more than he scored. Hit his straps with Macca (and Murph), got his move and by the time he returned, he was a different player who was able to adapt to Ollie's system and play in an intelligent way in a 3, with good movement, goals and assists.If Bowler goes I reckon Lavery could do the right of a 3 uptop.
I'd keep myself- plenty of others to ship out first.
Lavery is 23 and a full i'nal.Jerry has the better touch but as a defender I would way less rather play against Lavery. What we really need is a combination of the two - i.e. a DJ style player - hard to find