Lee Anderson

Phil_bfc deux said:
Why should he be kicked out?

That was the question, wasn't it?
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He should be kicked out because he is an intolerant individual who has used the race card as a means of denigrating an honourable holder of high office in London. He also holds far right, intolerant views that he espouses to stoke culture wars. I don't think he is fit to be an MP and I would rather see a Labour candidate take his seat.
 
Curryman said:
I can assure you I am anything but lost.

Unlike some on here, I try to see both sides of an argument, I am neither left or right wing, as I have explained before, but have your five minutes of smirking , it will in the end do you little good, as it just helps cloud the issue.
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You are literally clouding the issue as a debating tactic. I'm sure speeding youths in Bradford bring plenty of misery, but what does that have to do with a racist Tory GB News presenter? Equally, if in your mind I'm 'smirking', then you're inventing things our of the blue.
 
spudgun said:
If you can`t "remember when or by whom" then you can`t actually "recall" it.

All you are doing is repeating the right wing trope of "they`re coming to take your biscuits" and trying to attribute it erroneously to someone else.

At least own your own convictions...
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Well sorry to disagree, but the memory is there, the fact I can’t actually remember the exact dates or who said it, is irrelevant,. This would have been either on TV or in the papers, I’ve not made this up, nor am I saying I believe it.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
And you genuinely think that’s happening do you?

And it’d be interesting to know who gave that warning.
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No I don’t believe it’s happening, but there is a worrying situation where Jews are afraid to go out and protesters in support of Palestinians are trying to undermine democracy.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I’ve got a beautiful mixed race granddaughter as well.

I’m more concerned about the likelihood of her being the target of discrimination and racism than me tbh. I’m almost 65 and have never faced it. She was two yesterday and has been targeted already (by a retired senior member of the Met as it happens).

I shouldn’t get too worried about whitemanaphobia if I were you.
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It is a worry Mex, my two have both had problems from both sides, are you black or white and such things.

I hope your Granddaughter grows up to be strong enough to ignore it and to give as much as she gets.:)
 
Matesrates said:
Well sorry to disagree, but the memory is there, the fact I can’t actually remember the exact dates or who said it, is irrelevant,. This would have been either on TV or in the papers, I’ve not made this up, nor am I saying I believe it.
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So you have a memory about something, but you can`t recall the details, and you don`t necessarily believe it anyway.

But you felt strongly enough about it to share it with us.

Importantly it was about Muslims taking over the country.

Which just isn`t true.

Fair enough Mates, we get the gist...:)
 
Curryman said:
It is a worry Mex, my two have both had problems from both sides, are you black or white and such things.

I hope your Granddaughter grows up to be strong enough to ignore it and to give as much as she gets.:)
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Well if she takes after her mother I’m sure she will 😂 I’m surprised the old git who came out with the racist abuse is still breathing frankly.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
He should be kicked out because he is an intolerant individual who has used the race card as a means of denigrating an honourable holder of high office in London. He also holds far right, intolerant views that he espouses to stoke culture wars. I don't think he is fit to be an MP and I would rather see a Labour candidate take his seat.
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So basically its because he isn't Labour
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
It’s coming make no mistake might take some years but it’s coming sharia law just the start of it.

Had the Labour Party not acted one of these extremist would have been the new Labour MP for Rochdale next Friday morning and we all know what his views are having heard them as clear as a daisy.

Worrying times ahead without a doubt and stuff like this is going to happen more and more.
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Despite what our resident village idiot might tell you, it is clear for everyone to see that they are already influencing our traditions.

I could have sworn that only last week, the speaker of the house ignored the proper procedures because he believed that in doing so it made it safer for MPs and he thought that it was the right thing to do.
 
Curryman said:
He will win that election and will be independent, in name only, mark my words, and for prevarication and distraction look at the way this whole sorry affair has been handled.

As for the comments about Khan, I still ask the question, has he denied it?

I know he came out all guns blazing shouting about discrimination and Islamophobia two words regularly used in Bradford when one of their nice young lads is taken to court for speeding at double the limit and gets off due to him being a 'carer' for his Grandmother, whilst an 80 year old white pensioner is fined £180 inc costs for exceeding the speed limit by 6 mph.

I'm sorry but there is a lot of whitemanaphiobia that goes unpunished.

Please note before answering this that I have two grandchildren of mixed race, and many good friends who are of ethnic origin and agree with these views. i also have no time for people like Anderson.
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Ali is now second favourite for the by election, he may win as you suggest but the result is by the by - please excuse the pun.

He is second favourite behind George Galloway who I think it's fair to say is gathering support because of his stance on events in ... section removed.

You really couldn't make it up.
 
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Phil_bfc deux said:
So basically its because he isn't Labour
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It's more because he's thick as fuck, regardless of the clearly dangerously paranoid view he holds, anyone with a modicum of self awareness and public duty would have kept their mouth shut in public.

There's also the almost wilfully obtuse and borderline criminal endangering of another public figure, we've already had two MPs murdered by extremists in recent years, this thick ** just opens the door a bit wider.

We can do so much better than gobshite rent a dog whistle dangerously thick twats like this.

Hope that covers it.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
It's more because he's thick as fuck, regardless of the clearly dangerously paranoid view he holds, anyone with a modicum of self awareness and public duty would have kept their mouth shut in public.

There's also the almost wilfully obtuse and borderline criminal endangering of another public figure, we've already had two MPs murdered by extremists in recent years, this thick ** just opens the door a bit wider.

We can do so much better than gobshite rent a dog whistle dangerously thick twats like this.

Hope that covers it.
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Well its better than saying I would rather a Labour candidate take his seat that the idiot further up this thread posted
 
Old_Laytonian said:
He used to be a Labour councilor until he defected to the Tories.

Chancer springs to mind.
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Layton

Surely they are not mutually exclusive ?

Perhaps Anderson is a chancer and Sadiq Khan is running London - what should be the greatest city on the planet - in to the ground ?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
... and Sadiq Khan is running London - what should be the greatest city on the planet - in to the ground ?
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What makes you think London "should be the greatest city on the planet", and how exactly is Sadiq Khan "running it into the ground"?
 
Anderson is a rent a gob ten a penny soap box chancer hiding a Poundland Moseley vision behind uninspired and dull rhetoric.

He'll now play the martyr card, his kind always do.

I see that Hunt is planning on more public service cuts to fund some election tax cuts, that's the real story right now, not this excuse of a badly fitting suit.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Anderson is a rent a gob ten a penny soap box chancer hiding a Poundland Moseley vision behind uninspired and dull rhetoric.

He'll now play the martyr card, his kind always do.

I see that Hunt is planning on more public service cuts to fund some election tax cuts, that's the real story right now, not this excuse of a badly fitting suit.
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To be fair, after 14 years of efficiencies driven by this Government, the public services can get by with two people, one of whom will be the diversity and inclusion representative.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
There is no such thing as Islamaphobia.

It is a nonsensical, made up word, used against anybody who criticises the backward, barbaric religion that is Islam.

Maybe ask yourselves why there is no Hinduphobia, Sikhaphobia or Chineseaphobia ?

There are a large number of Hindus, Sikhs and Chinese in our country, I'm not sure that they integrate but they can all be criticised constructively without fear of disproportionate respisal.

As far as I know, none of these groups were responsible for the events of 7/7, Borough Market, London Bridge or for killing Lee Rigby.
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There is a long history of people of different religions doing despicably horrible things to each other. Yet, the metaphysical aspects of those religions still stand the test of time. Islam, likewise, holds people to very high moral standards. Unfortunately, many of the practitioners are thugs and terrorists.
 
spudgun said:
What makes you think London "should be the greatest city on the planet", and how exactly is Sadiq Khan "running it into the ground"?
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It always was.

Khan has turned it in to a ghetto full of folk running around with no respect for law and order.

On top of that he has been inefficient in many areas.

Transport for London is approx £15 BILLION in debt and he spends £6.3m on renaming overground lines "Windrush" and "Lionesses" etc etc.

He has the Met chap under his thumb and there is now two tier policing in the once great city and anything goes if you want to protest against Israel/support Palestine.

He also wasted money ridiculing the then leader of our greatest allies and is happy to install policies that see good hard working honest Londoners being charged about a monkey a month to drive their cars.

Apart from that he is doing a brilliant job.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
There is a long history of people of different religions doing despicably horrible things to each other. Yet, the metaphysical aspects of those religions still stand the test of time. Islam, likewise, holds people to very high moral standards. Unfortunately, many of the practitioners are thugs and terrorists.
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England, Scotland, Ireland and Walaes are christian countries.

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No offence 66, I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong and I'm not saying that anything you have said is wrong but I am not going to it any further.
 
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TSSeasider said:
I'd be genuinely interested to see how many advisors our politicians have and their stated faiths as well as their ethic origin etc.

I would hazard a guess that in London there will be a fair few more people from minority backgrounds than say the Hartlepool constituency office.

If SK has a disproportionally high number of Muslims he can answer why; I suspect they will be hired on the basis of talent than faith.

But they might be his mates - in which case he's guilty of cronyism and won't be the first or last politician doing it.

The use of Islamists is just so unnecessary and deliberately provocative mind.
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Look no further than Sunaks wife’s family, Murty, for actively supporting the Hindutva who have ‘allegedly’ have strong links to Islamophobia. Is Hindu nationalism exempt?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
England, Scotland, Ireland and Walaes are christian countries.

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No offence 66, I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong and I'm not saying that anything you have said is wrong but I am not going to it any further.
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You might need to express your points differently. I cannot see what you have written as it has been removed.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
It always was.

Khan has turned it in to a ghetto full of folk running around with no respect for law and order.

On top of that he has been inefficient in many areas.

Transport for London is approx £15 BILLION in debt and he spends £6.3m on renaming overground lines "Windrush" and "Lionesses" etc etc.

He has the Met chap under his thumb and there is now two tier policing in the once great city and anything goes if you want to protest against Israel/support Palestine.

He also wasted money ridiculing the then leader of our greatest allies and is happy to install policies that see good hard working honest Londoners being charged about a monkey a month to drive their cars.

Apart from that he is doing a brilliant job.
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I have a ticket for tomorrow night. I'm not sure I should go, given that I'm heading towards a powderkeg of tension with the streets full of stabby youths.

Anyone else having second thoughts?
 
Wizaard said:
Because of the early printing to take account of the postal votes. He isn't a Labour candidate.
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I know that Labour have withdrawn support and that he will be an independant MP but it is a FACT that he is the Labour candidate for Rochdale.

I don't want to go all 20's Golden Boot on you, we both know the script.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I know that Labour have withdrawn support and that he will be an independant MP but it is a FACT that he is the Labour candidate for Rochdale.

I don't want to go all 20's Golden Boot on you, we both know the script.
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It's NOT a fact that he's the Labour candidate.

There is no Labour candidate. That is a FACT.

The Mail held back the evidence of his anti semitism until the ballot papers were printed and it was too late to change the nomination, and for reasons known only to themselves, a reprint hasn't been ordered.
 
Wizaard said:
I have a ticket for tomorrow night. I'm not sure I should go, given that I'm heading towards a powderkeg of tension with the streets full of stabby youths.

Anyone else having second thoughts?
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Not your best Wiz, the figures speak for themselves.

Enough of all the b0110x, I hope you have a good trip, win lose or draw.
 
Wizaard said:
It's NOT a fact that he's the Labour candidate.

There is no Labour candidate. That is a FACT.

The Mail held back the evidence of his anti semitism until the ballot papers were printed and it was too late to change the nomination, and for reasons known only to themselves, a reprint hasn't been ordered.
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As I said Wiz, we both know the script, all the below is taken from BBC:


Azhar Ali is the Labour leader on Lancashire County Council and was chosen from a shortlist of three.

However, on 12 February Labour said it had "withdrawn support" for him after comments he made regarding Israel.

It was too late for the party to replace Mr Ali as its candidate.

The decision means that Mr Ali will remain on the ballot as "the Labour candidate for Rochdale", but if he is elected he will sit as a independent MP or join another party.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Not your best Wiz, the figures speak for themselves.

Enough of all the b0110x, I hope you have a good trip, win lose or draw.
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I'm told daily on here that London is a lawless hellhole.

Now an MP says its 'under control of violent Islamists'. Is it, or not?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
As I said Wiz, we both know the script, all the below is taken from BBC:


Azhar Ali is the Labour leader on Lancashire County Council and was chosen from a shortlist of three.

However, on 12 February Labour said it had "withdrawn support" for him after comments he made regarding Israel.

It was too late for the party to replace Mr Ali as its candidate.

The decision means that Mr Ali will remain on the ballot as "the Labour candidate for Rochdale", but if he is elected he will sit as a independent MP or join another party.
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On the ballot, as I've explained. Not in reality.
 
Wizaard said:
It's NOT a fact that he's the Labour candidate.

There is no Labour candidate. That is a FACT.

The Mail held back the evidence of his anti semitism until the ballot papers were printed and it was too late to change the nomination, and for reasons known only to themselves, a reprint hasn't been ordered.
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As I said Wiz, we both know the script, all the below is taken from BBC:


Azhar Ali is the Labour leader on Lancashire County Council and was chosen from a shortlist of three.

However, on 12 February Labour said it had "withdrawn support" for him after comments he made regarding Israel.

It was TOO LATE FOR THE PARTY TO REPLACE MR ALI AS ITS CANDIDATE.

The decision means that Mr Ali will remain on the ballot as "the Labour candidate for Rochdale", but if he is elected he will sit as a independent MP or join another party.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I don't care what irrelevancies you wish to introduce.

IT WAS TOO LATE FOR LABOUR TO REPLACE ALI AS THEIR CANDIDATE.

THE LABOUR CANDIDATE AT HE ROCHDALE BY ELECTION IS ALI.

It doesn't matter what either of us say.

Question: Who is the Labour candidate at the Rochdale By Election ?

Answer: Azhar Ali
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Answer: There isn't one. He's not in the party, so can't be the Labour candidate.

Everyone knows that, regardless of what it says on the ballot paper.

Should he be elected, will he be under the Labour Whip? No.
 
Matesrates said:
I recall a warning years ago, can’t remember when or by who, about the danger of Muslims getting into positions of power in both private and public positions. The argument was that they will gradually impose their views on this country.
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This is step one. Rest assured it'll be candidates next.
themuslimvote.co.uk

The Muslim Vote

Muslims and all people who stand for justice agree that the current political class does not represent us. MPs like these should never get our vote again.
themuslimvote.co.uk

Fast forward 20 years 😬
 
Let's take a look at the leadership team for the Mayor of London. Doesn't look like it's packed with one group of people controlling everything.

www.london.gov.uk

The Mayor and his team

Discover the role and responsibilities of the Mayor Sadiq Khan and his team.
www.london.gov.uk www.london.gov.uk
 
stbe said:
Let's take a look at the leadership team for the Mayor of London. Doesn't look like it's packed with one group of people controlling everything.

www.london.gov.uk

The Mayor and his team

Discover the role and responsibilities of the Mayor Sadiq Khan and his team.
www.london.gov.uk www.london.gov.uk
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All those people no doubt pulling eye watering salaries yet gun crime knife crime and crime in general massively rising.

Clearly many of them not doing their job.

A team clearly not to be proud of.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
All those people no doubt pulling eye watering salaries yet gun crime knife crime and crime in general massively rising.

Clearly many of them not doing their job.

A team clearly not to be proud of.
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Not true.

Murder and gun crime both down.

Knife crime lower than other parts of the UK.

What was it you posted about Fake News and people in this country being brainwashed?

Fact check: has Sadiq Khan really overseen a crime surge in London? | Crime | The Guardian

Capital’s mayor is often accused of allowing crime to soar, but Guardian analysis shows reality is more nuanced
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Not true.

Murder and gun crime both down.

Knife crime lower than other parts of the UK.

What was it you posted about Fake News and people in this country being brainwashed?

Fact check: has Sadiq Khan really overseen a crime surge in London? | Crime | The Guardian

Capital’s mayor is often accused of allowing crime to soar, but Guardian analysis shows reality is more nuanced
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com
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And also it's moved the goalposts from the original "The Islamists are taking over"
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Not true.

Murder and gun crime both down.

Knife crime lower than other parts of the UK.

What was it you posted about Fake News and people in this country being brainwashed?

Fact check: has Sadiq Khan really overseen a crime surge in London? | Crime | The Guardian

Capital’s mayor is often accused of allowing crime to soar, but Guardian analysis shows reality is more nuanced
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com
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Well for a start I never mentioned murder you did.

I’d suggest you just don’t go off on one story.

Up slightly means exactly what it says it’s gone up.

And what do you think the fastest rise in 5 years exactly means?

Fake news eh? It’s a bitch isn’t it.
 

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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Well for a start I never mentioned murder you did.

I’d suggest you just don’t go off on one story.

Up slightly means exactly what it says it’s gone up.

And what do you think the fastest rise in 5 years exactly means?

Fake news eh? It’s a bitch isn’t it.
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The first article that you have uploaded seems to confirm almost the exact opposite of what you are arguing - it says to me that knife crime rates have been more or less stable or slightly dropping over the last 5 years. According to the image you uploaded they are significantly lower in 2024 than they were in 2019. Is Khan responsible for this fall in crime rates?

Anyway Crime rates in London are irrelevant to what Anderson said.
Can you explain how any of this shows that 'Islamists have got control of London'?
And as pointed out above this sort of angle looks very much like a deflection. Anderson didn't mention crime rates or public transport or anything else that the mayor has responsibility for. He simply made an Islamophobic smear that has no truth in it. Many people in his own party (Conservatives) have condemned him for it and now he has had the whip withdrawn (essentially he has been booted out of his adopted party). Why on earth is he attracting support from AVFTT posters?
 
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