Disagree.
I agree we're not doing enough to attract fans.
I will give them that, last time it cut off at the end of the month I think, when some are paid just after that. It's the 2nd this time so the vast majority should be included.
Yeah as said on another thread, you usually wait until a respectable number before you start the counting up, unless maybe we sold 2k in a few days, then you can spin it as selling like hot cakes.Poor marketing& unnecessary piss poor PR.
They’ll be announcing how many tangerine Santa hats they’ve sold in September next.
Do we have football people at the Club who understand these things and social media over-reactions?
Why do you usually do that?
In the past we've not usually announced until past 4k ish.
To be honest, you come to expect it these days. We’ve had Grayson come back, Appleton come back and now Critchley. I expect next season to follow the trend with another disappointing season. That is why sales are low as most people will think the same even though most on here won’t admit it.Embarrassing on social media.
Who makes the decision to announce 2k
That's not really the point though. Forcing people to go digital is.
Why? haven't most people got a phone and a brain
You said “You usually” though, and that implies that there is some kind of particular and ‘optimal’ approach that everyone accepts, rather than “We usually” which implies something which is simply ‘the normal routine’ for our Club.
There are loads of posts on this forum from people saying they will renew near the end of the early bird period. What's the panic? Comparing with other clubs who's early bird period finished last week is utterly pointless.
Agree totally about our own fans moaning but they gave every other club fans and all the dweebs and geeks who run Twitter accounts ammo by releasing our numbers. Even saw an Exeter fan post “we’ve sold more than that”. If we don’t release that figure then nobody else bar for our own moaners comment.
FFS, do you take everything literally...
Who cares what Exeter Fans think though ? Seriously …. Are peoples Ego’s really that fragile?
It’s not my fault that you wrote one thing and meant the other is it? So why ‘FFS’? I simply read what you actually wrote, as opposed to ‘reading your mind’. And no I didn’t know what was meant at all… how could I?FFS, do you take everything literally...
Fine WE. You knew what was meant just playing silly buggers again.
It's not me who's been reacting badly to the news on here, twitter etc, I just don't see why they released it and many others don't either.
Of course, you're different, quelle surprise.
You might not care about things, how our club is perceived etc, but many do.
I've been making the same point about the deadline so you shouldn't be referring to me.
So no, you've misjudged it. I'm not the issue at all. I'm just giving an opinion on why it wasn't that wise. An opinion shared by most I'd imagine. I'm not the one losing my shit about it.
You'd be one if the first, I'd imagine, (infact I think you’ve argued before) to say we need to stop being little Blackpool and to change this little Blackpool image that we've had.
Yes... I would... So why do you lot persist with your small-time, small minded attitudes?
And if you go to every game you contribute more to the coffers.
'"Not" buying a season ticket is a win win.' From whose perspective, exactly, apart from that of the self-centred, self-opiniated so-called fan?'
If you're one of those people, perhaps you should consider changing your username to "Mr Sometimes Tangerine Man".
I agree with your sentiment x3 but you really do go round the houses to express it. The lexicographic section on "you usually/ we usually" is superfluous unless you're thinking things through out loud before arriving at your conclusion. In which case, stop it.
You really are an odd guy.
Nobody said it’s OK to have thousands of empty seats. Although it really depends on why you have thousands of empty seats in any case. An aspirational club would always be looking to grow and develop, so thousands of empty seats might be necessary to accommodate planned growth.So to be clear, we've got to stop thinking like a small team, but also it's OK to have thousands of empty seats, it doesn't reflect badly on the club, and they shouldn't bother trying any different pricing or marketing techniques to increase uptake.
How the figures ‘Make us look’ depend on how you internalise them. Publishing them doesn’t make us look small time though…. What almost certainly does make us look small time is the fact that our fans see it as a big deal and are actually bothered by it… That’s small-time…You really are an odd guy.
You've basically been caught out in 2 arguments, again.
On one hand you don't want fans, the club etc to be little Blackpool.
On the other you're defending the release of low figures that do nothing but make us look like little Blackpool.
Busted on that front you then turn your attack on me.
So what if, on our own board, I put PNE fans straight, that's upto me. Oh no, they might run back to their forum. They have some unbalanced idiots on there with warped opinions of us, the town etc, so it's hardly going to bother me just because I like to reply to them. Just had a quick look and can only see that Libertine bloke who couldn't get past the registration stage on this site... yeah not going to worry too much about that cabbage.
You'd probably be on there more, but no one can quite pin your opinion down, it flip flops so much.
I thought you didn't care what other fans thought.... and yet you're apparently combing thier site looking for what they think about me? Caught out again. If they're calling me out for stating the deadline is miles away and the number will rise, then surely you'd be agreeing with me as you made the same point, not siding with nobbers opinion
There's nothing wrong with fans wanting the best for us and wanting the most to attend. If you don't like the threads with numbers etc don't get involved, simple!
Both are correct. It is pretty much a universally done thing that clubs of similar size wouldn't release numbers so low, or I haven't seen it anyway.
You might not care about stuff but others clearly do.
It's your small time mentality that's happy to have the club belittled, which is something you previously said we need to get away from.
I've already said to others it's early days and the numbers will rise, I've made that point loads of different threads.
You seem like you're projecting with the penis comments, you dont have a convertible do you? Weird route to go... I'm perfectly happy in all ways thanks and don't need your bullshit pep talk.
Charming.
He's a ** novelty alright!!
There's still a month to go before the figures of purchases at early bird rate can be quantified. To say it's low is therefore completely subjective, and probably stems from your constant campaign around season ticket prices.You really are an odd guy.
You've basically been caught out in 2 arguments, again.
On one hand you don't want fans, the club etc to be little Blackpool.
On the other you're defending the release of low figures that do nothing but make us look like little Blackpool.
Busted on that front you then turn your attack on me.
So what if, on our own board, I put PNE fans straight, that's upto me. Oh no, they might run back to their forum. They have some unbalanced idiots on there with warped opinions of us, the town etc, so it's hardly going to bother me just because I like to reply to them. Just had a quick look and can only see that Libertine bloke who couldn't get past the registration stage on this site... yeah not going to worry too much about that cabbage.
You'd probably be on there more, but no one can quite pin your opinion down, it flip flops so much.
I thought you didn't care what other fans thought.... and yet you're apparently combing thier site looking for what they think about me? Caught out again. If they're calling me out for stating the deadline is miles away and the number will rise, then surely you'd be agreeing with me as you made the same point, not siding with nobbers opinion
There's nothing wrong with fans wanting the best for us and wanting the most to attend. If you don't like the threads with numbers etc don't get involved, simple!
Both are correct. It is pretty much a universally done thing that clubs of similar size wouldn't release numbers so low, or I haven't seen it anyway.
You might not care about stuff but others clearly do.
It's your small time mentality that's happy to have the club belittled, which is something you previously said we need to get away from.
I've already said to others it's early days and the numbers will rise, I've made that point loads of different threads.
You seem like you're projecting with the penis comments, you dont have a convertible do you? Weird route to go... I'm perfectly happy in all ways thanks and don't need your bullshit pep talk.
We're not going to get 8,000 as we've been relegated.
It's nothing to do with how I or others 'internalise' it when you have independent twitter accounts using the tweet to put out stuff like this
I've already made the point it'll go up, but the point stands it's not been a good bit of PR.
There's definitely more they could have done, tons off good ideas were put on here. Requires a bit of out the box thinking though. Not sure we'd shift 70k though.
Really? We had over 8k, had 6.5 I think in league 1 last time before covid, although it was with a new owner buzz but was not long after the boycott, so some werent back in the swing, but since then we've grown more and attracted more fans in the championship.
You’ve got to think big JJ
Of course it is to do with how you internalise it.It's nothing to do with how I or others 'internalise' it when you have independent twitter accounts using the tweet to put out stuff like this
I'll admit to being obsessed if you admit to being all over the place on this, which we already can see anyway.
Ill informed or not it doesn't make the club look great does it. The same point has been made by many other posters on here.
Why doesn't it "make our club look great"? and to whom exactly doesn't it look great ? And why does that actually matter at all?
If you really can't see then there's little point discussing. Hint, maybe the hundreds of thousands of people who saw that tweet... Does it matter? That depends on the level of what matters. Does anything matter? Millions being killed doesn't really matter... from the perspective of the universe. We're all just a bunch of atoms, drifting on a rock in a vast ocean nothingness so large we cant even comprehend. To pass the time before we die we invented a game and we take it pretty seriously.Why doesn't it "make our club look great"? and to whom exactly doesn't it look great ? And why does that actually matter at all?
I didn't say you appear desperately hurt because you have corrected something inaccurate.
I'm also not bothered about being 'Little Blackpool'... What I am bothered about is an attitude that prevents us from aspiring to be better than we are and placing limitations on ourselves based on the current size of our fanbase. It's the 'Little Blackpool' attitude (the kind of attitude that worries about 'what other people think' or 'what Preston Fans are saying about us on Twitter') that I can't abide... The kind of mentality that thinks that we have to give tickets away in order to grow our fanbase!!
The penis reference was simply an analogy, though clearly (in a very Donald Trumpesque fashion) that also seems to have rattled your cage too.
Let me put it a different way.... People who genuinely 'have it' rarely feel the need to flaunt it and their reaction to someone taking the piss out of them for not having it, is typically a wry smile and a sense of personal satisfaction as opposed to feeling the need to prove themselves. AND THAT is the Big Club, Big Man, Big Penis, Successful mentality!!
Surely the point of any discussion is to (at least make an effort) to develop your own understanding? So why are you shying away from educating me?If you really can't see then there's little point discussing. Hint, maybe the hundreds of thousands of people who saw that tweet... Does it matter? That depends on the level of what matters. Does anything matter? Millions being killed doesn't really matter... from the perspective of the universe. We're all just a bunch of atoms, drifting on a rock in a vast ocean nothingness so large we cant even comprehend. To pass the time before we die we invented a game and we take it pretty seriously.
But I guess it's OK. We're not seen as Little Blackpool by announcing nearly 2k sold. Aspiring to be better, surely we're a club that aspire to be better then announcing a very low figure that really didn't need announcing.
Who's worried? You keep mistaking discussing something for being worried.
We've discussed ways to grow the fanbase many time with tons of different suggestions, making football as affordable as possible to people is an obvious way.
You keep persisting with this whole rattled line, the fact is you have no idea about me, I'm chilled bro... I don't need to flaunt anything, it's a football website not a dong competition, sick of winning them tbh.
So what you're basically saying is... rather than write why the figures shouldn't have been released, even knowing that it would massively go up, I should have just smiled and thought to myself, just wait all you haters, you'll see.
Tbh we've probably nearly debated our way up to a 3k announcement now. I reckon nearly 1k have been shamed into buying by this thread, so cheers
It's been explained to you but you just can't see it or don't care so pointless keep repeating until you feel you've won.Surely the point of any discussion is to (at least make an effort) to develop your own understanding? So why are you shying away from educating me?
I'll ask you the question again.. In a slightly different way, and please, at least try, to give me a proper answer. The fact that you haven't, suggests that you can't and, if you can't, then that suggests that the issue is largely in your head, rather than in reality.
Why does that tweet make our Club look bad?
Who does it make it look bad to?
And what are the consequences?
As I said, I see it as perfectly OK... To me it's just an announcement.. I expect there'll be more announcements in the weeks to come?... There'll also be games played this coming season and actual attendances (NB: for anyone interested there's also over a hundred years of attendance history available to check out). I know 2000 isn't a relevant comparison, you know that it isn't ... In fact anyone that actually matters and isn't ignorant or stupid would be well aware of that.
As I see it, the matter of attendance and in particular what comes across outwardly as someone who suffers from a sense of inferiority (specifically in comparison to our local rivals) does appear to worry you. The extent to which you obsess about it is certainly not normal and it has not gone unnoticed by our rivals.... In your world... It makes us look bad ... So maybe you need to stop making us look bad?
We have discussed ways to grow the fanbase and you always come back to the same (small-time) option of giving tickets away as cheaply as possible. Simon Sadler has come in with a very different kind of approach to you though.... He genuinely wants to lose the 'Small-Time' label and so instead of going cheap, he's started to layer in proper infrastructure, focus on developing the fanbase in the youngsters, improved the facilities and commercial set up, increase the level of club sponsorship and look to develop the Stadium and Training Facilities. Contrast that with Knob End's owners who are desperately trying to inflate current crowd numbers in order to generate interest for a sale.
I'm not 'persisting with the rattled line', I 've only said it the once (twice now), though you are clearly STILL missing the actual point and obsessing on the 'penis size' element (as opposed to understanding the allegorical meaning), which does tell me quite a lot. Please don't feel the need to reassure me (or more importantly yourself) about the size of your member again...
What I am basically saying is that if you did not have an inferiority complex and a fragile ego, you would not have felt compelled to respond to anyone about the tweet. There would have been no need to think anything apart from to simply acknowledge the information provided by the Club and be satisfied with that. You wouldn't need to think "You wait all you haters, you'll see", because the only reason you would think THAT way is because their comments had affected you and your fragile ego required some kind of resolution / retribution.
There was no need to blame the club for releasing the figures... Instead you should be blaming yourself (and others) for being so fragile, that a basic bit of information (and some resulting ill informed ribbing) has such a dramatic effect on your life that it results in you slagging off your Club for doing nothing wrong.
If more people have bought Tickets then that's great, however I'd imagine that people will largely fall into two categories:
1. People who buy early because they like to get things done.
2. People who buy close to the dealine, because there's no point buying early.
Of course, if it were up to you, then we'll never know what the numbers are until the deadline has been surpassed and even then, I presume we shouldn't release the numbers unless they 'make us look good'
I'm done JJ... You can't and haven;t explained yourself... Fact is... I'm cool with the situation... If you want to carry on obsessing and getting yourself in a froth about the square root of fuck all, I can't stop youIt's been explained to you but you just can't see it or don't care so pointless keep repeating until you feel you've won.
Your obviously as daft social media wise as whoever released the figure. You'd release crap info and when it goes down like a lead balloon, you give everyone a pep talk and say why it shouldn't bother them.
So once again, if you think announcing nearly 2k, not even 2k, nearly... is a good look then you clearly don't get social media. It made us look tinpot and was universally mocked by whoever saw it. If you can't see poor PR when it's this obvious then there's no helping you.
Even a simple line saying something like "with just under 4 weeks to go until the early bird finishes" would probably have cut out a lot of the unnecessary mocking the club got.
I'm not making us look bad, the only reason it's still being discussed is because you keep replying and want to find a thousand different ways to go over it.
There's many ways to grow the fanbase and I've suggested loads including being reasonably priced for the area, so far we haven't really hit a good proce that will attract the masses. I'd say most people would say we haven't done anywhere near enough to fill the stadium and grow the fanbase. Run a poll and find out if you dare.
The way I replied to you poor analogy doesn’t tell you anything at all other then I chose to reply like that, I knew exactly what you meant.You have no idea what I do or don't understand.
I'm clearly not like you then am I, I enjoy the banter, I don't mind putting people straight. You can think of it any way you want, there's no inferiority complex here, only a want to be the best we can be. The fact you keep replying trying to force your opinion as fact could be seen as a weakness. Always contradicting yourself, maybe you just like to argue and be seen to be displaying your super intelligence to make yourself feel better. Am I right? Probably not. But it's a stupid as you trying to judge me from a few random posts.
Go back and see my original posts on the thread. I've already said it's great to give updates but wait until the numbers are a little more respectable.
I CBA wasting time going back and forth keep repeating this argument getting nowhere. We get it, the announcement didn’t bother you, but for many others who don't want the club to look tinpot, even if with incomplete information, just because of not being very social media savvy, it did and wasn't a great look.
Short and to the point. I’m glad you don’t suffer from the verbal diarrhoea that BFCx3 has.