Let’s hope this local lady is found safe

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He's said that based on the lack of evidence, no signs of her going in, no clothes or artefacts in the river, no signs of her body in the river in the days following, the shallowness of the side near the bench and the probabilities expressed by SGI. It strikes me he is basing it on much more than blind hope.
 
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Delfino said:
He's said that based on the lack of evidence, no signs of her going in, no clothes or artefacts in the river, no signs of her body in the river in the days following, the shallowness of the side near the bench and the probabilities expressed by SGI. It strikes me he basing it on more than blind hope.
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Yep, based on the facts that have been there from the start.
 
What I do find confusing, I must have missed this before, is that it was not only the dogs lead that was found near the bench but also the harness.

As a dog owner, I find it hard to picture the circumstances where you take both the lead and the harness off the dog. The lead, yes, to let the dog run around but not both. It does make you think that this could have been a deliberate act or a decoy.
 
ste said:
Wish it would end really, it's becoming a right circus, hope she does get found.

What I don't get is that there are tonnes of missing people cases who would love the same publicity as this case, but don't.
Wonder what the reason is for that. Personally, something doesn't add up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624163484098256932
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Unfortunately these idiots on Facebook & Twitter are incredibly stupid, as a nation it embarrasses me.
 
I’m convinced she’s been taken from the upper field. There is a track from the corner of that which goes past the lodges and comes out by the Madhunter. Cars use it obviously. That is also where the CCTV wasn’t working.
 
Rainfall was light in the preceeding days. The area by the bench was shallow. The river flows were slight and the police divers searched the area on the day.
 
Killingmesoftly said:
Having just watched that i can’t see a young fit women drowning at that spot..
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She’d have had to have slipped and knocked herself out. Don’t know about anyone else but I’ve hiked round the Lakes, and similar, for decades. I’ve fell many a time in similar terrain and never once knocked myself out, just battered and bruised. It’s possible obviously, and it does happen but , as I posted earlier, there has to be a long chain of unlikely possibilities to occur for the river theory to be the answer.
 
Delfino said:
Even if she did knock herself out she would lgave ikely still been there or close by
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Given the pictures of the dog playing in the river we’ve seen, he obviously enjoys water. If she’d somehow gone in the water I can’t help thinking he would have followed her at least thinking it was a game, yet he was bone dry.
Conversely if she had been taken surely the dog would have followed. Unless he had been tethered then later released but that seems risky, and possibly not doable in the timescale.
 
todayistheday said:
Have you heard any legal eagle tittle tattle.
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No

The thing I found weird ( unless I’m missing something ) was that her partner says he tried to tele her 3x around 1030am but that doesn’t appear on any timelines I’ve seen and presumably someone had retrieved the phone at that point and do you’d expect them to answer

Even if they hadn’t why don’t these missed calls get mentioned
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
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The thing I found weird ( unless I’m missing something ) was that her partner says he tried to tele her 3x around 1030am but that doesn’t appear on any timelines I’ve seen and presumably someone had retrieved the phone at that point and do you’d expect them to answer

Even if they hadn’t why don’t these missed calls get mentioned
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I’m sure it was mentioned on the program last night that those calls had been confirmed by the Police.
 
The situation isn’t being helped by the 100% oven baked nutjobs who have descended on St.Michael’s.
They're distressing the family, distracting the police, and annoying, even scaring the locals.

The Times had a piece this morning on Danny Duffy (who describes himself as a “paranormal investigator”) and associates, taking it upon themselves to roam the area separately from the organised searches as their fancy takes them.

One of his TikTok videos included footage of him and a woman attempting to enter private property and using a radio to try and psychically communicate with Bulley.

In another incident, one local found Duffy and two other men in his garden at night with torches.
When the owner explained that the house and land had already been searched by police, the men agreed to leave, though later commented to their thousands of viewers that he was “dodgy”.

Talking to a Times journalist while filming a TikTok broadcast, Duffy said he wanted to be a “real life superhero”. “It’d be nice just to find her somewhere, if someone has got her captive or something like that, you know, save her,” he said. “Just like a hero.”

Another TikToker, who said he was working “in coalition” with Duffy, said he was using “divination tools” such as a crystal ball to locate Bulley.

Because of incidents like these, Lancs Police this week issued a 48-hour dispersal order in the village.
Two of Duffy’s associates corroborated their own idiocy by filming themselves driving around the area and saying that they would wait until the 48-hour dispersal order ended before going out on foot again.

One day, someone will lose their rag and spark out one of these pillocks.
And I wouldn’t blame them at all.
 
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The situation isn’t being helped by the nutjobs who have descended on St.Michael’s.

The Times had a piece this morning on Danny Duffy (who describes himself as a “paranormal investigator”) and associates, taking it upon themselves to roam the area separately from the organised searches as their fancy takes them.

One of his TikTok videos included footage of him and a woman attempting to enter private property and using a radio to try and psychically communicate with Bulley.

In another incident, one local found Duffy and two other men in his garden at night with torches.
When the owner explained that the house and land had already been searched by police, the men agreed to leave, though later commented to their thousands of viewers that he was “dodgy”.

Talking to a Times journalist while filming a TikTok broadcast, Duffy said he wanted to be a “real life superhero”. “It’d be nice just to find her somewhere, if someone has got her captive or something like that, you know, save her,” he said. “Just like a hero.”

Another TikToker, who said he was working “in coalition” with Duffy, said he was using “divination tools” such as a crystal ball to locate Bulley.

Because of incidents like these, Lancs Police this week issued a 48-hour dispersal order in the village.
Two of Duffy’s associates filmed themselves driving around the area and said that they would wait until the 48-hour dispersal order ended before going out on foot again.

I would never condone violence.
But one day, someone will lose their rag and spark out one of these pillocks.
And I wouldn’t blame them at all.
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I realise it’s bad taste but I’d throw them in the bloody river to see how it moves a body with a tracking device fitted. Just to rule out further speculation.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
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The thing I found weird ( unless I’m missing something ) was that her partner says he tried to tele her 3x around 1030am but that doesn’t appear on any timelines I’ve seen and presumably someone had retrieved the phone at that point do you’d expect them to answer

Even if they hadn’t why don’t these missed calls get mentioned
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The police didn't arrive on the scene until around 11.25. I don't know if anyone had removed the phone from the bench prior to the police arriving.
 
watched the tv program, I see the cameraman was focussing in on his hand movements alot, wether they told to do so. Found it odd he would phone people up to ask if they knew where she was after being 15/20 mins late, maybe a bit possessive/controlling, has he done this before, mrs gets caught talking to freinds etc. To me he looked a bit odd but that maybe down to the situation.
 
The phone got found at 0933. Police got called around about 1100. Her fella called her phone a few times in between but weren’t answered, for whatever reason, but the Police have confirmed his version of events are accurate.
 
todayistheday said:
watched the tv program, I see the cameraman was focussing in on his hand movements alot, wether they told to do so. Found it odd he would phone people up to ask if they knew where she was after being 15/20 mins late, maybe a bit possessive/controlling, has he done this before, mrs gets caught talking to freinds etc. To me he looked a bit odd but that maybe down to the situation.
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He looked odd, possibly, because he’s suffering from prolonged sleep deprivation? I’ve experienced it many times through past military stuff. 3 days of no sleep and your like a zombie. Still functioning but sounding drunk and surviving on auto pilot. I watched the program and recognised it immediately.
I’m not ruling anything out, but we shouldn’t jump on his behaviour 2 weeks in.
Anything he says now in interviews should (and will be, by the Police) be treated as if me or you was telling them whilst shit-faced. He’s not capable of thinking straight.
 
As two of the experts on the show said, he's innocent. Are they privy to all the police information in concluding that. I still think she is in the river or sea, how she got there is something else.
 
Davepick said:
On BBCRadioLancs this a.m. someone has said that they saw 2 dodgy blokes in the area.
A bit late coming forward with that, if true.
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I think they had already come forward with the info Dave but now it’s being followed up as it’s on film from the local garage cctv, according to the news.
 
Davepick said:
On BBCRadioLancs this a.m. someone has said that they saw 2 dodgy blokes in the area.
A bit late coming forward with that, if true.
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The police have obtained the CCTV footage from the garage opp the pub. They got this THURSDAY, why has that taken so long. The footage is from the day before she went and they are looking for the 2 dodgy blokes on it, one of who was supposedly sighted on the actual day.

There is an article in The Sun today on this.
 
Seainsea said:
What I do find confusing, I must have missed this before, is that it was not only the dogs lead that was found near the bench but also the harness.

As a dog owner, I find it hard to picture the circumstances where you take both the lead and the harness off the dog. The lead, yes, to let the dog run around but not both. It does make you think that this could have been a deliberate act or a decoy.
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Delfino said:
Taking the harness off was apparently normal for them
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During the Channel 5 interview the dog was wearing the harness the entire time. It jumped up on the settee a few times and wandered the living room such that Dan Walker made a fuss of it. Contradictions to above.

As a former dog owner I have no doubt that mine would have followed me as far and as best they can whatever the circumstances.

I would not have left it a week to return to the site/location with the dog. Why not the next day or even later that day? All traces of smell, etc,, will be gone/faint by then.

Teams Meeting? Fitbit (or similar)?

I sincerely hope she is found safe and sound, but there are too many unknowns, except she probably didn't accidentally drown.
 
allatseasider said:
During the Channel 5 interview the dog was wearing the harness the entire time. It jumped up on the settee a few times and wandered the living room such that Dan Walker made a fuss of it. Contradictions to above.

As a former dog owner I have no doubt that mine would have followed me as far and as best they can whatever the circumstances.

I would not have left it a week to return to the site/location with the dog. Why not the next day or even later that day? All traces of smell, etc,, will be gone/faint by then.

Teams Meeting? Fitbit (or similar)?

I sincerely hope she is found safe and sound, but there are too many unknowns, except she probably didn't accidentally drown.
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He states in the interview with Dan Dawson that he went back with the dog the following day in the hope it would lead them to her but it just wanted to play like a normal walk.
 
Johnno said:
She’d have had to have slipped and knocked herself out. Don’t know about anyone else but I’ve hiked round the Lakes, and similar, for decades. I’ve fell many a time in similar terrain and never once knocked myself out, just battered and bruised. It’s possible obviously, and it does happen but , as I posted earlier, there has to be a long chain of unlikely possibilities to occur for the river theory to be the answer.
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My former brother in law fell and died in the Lakes and he was an experienced walker.

Wasn't found for three years which was awful for my nieces but they got peace with a proper funeral.

It's rare, but it does happen.
 
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