Let’s hope this local lady is found safe

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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Sky news just done a live broadcast from the area they say friends of Nicola saying it’s not a glove Nicola would be wearing, CCTV shows Nicola not wearing any gloves at the time she dropped the girls off at school and let the Dog out of the car prior to her walk.
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Which school cctv? There has been no cctv released apart from some terrible stills from the neighbours house with no timestamp to prove the date. Other missing persons the police put out any cctv to assist when asking for public information.
This appears to be an absolute mess of an investigation. To say after a week she's only gone in the river. Rule out anything else is very amateur and presumptuous. If she was taken or went another way all evidence would have been lost.
To now say she's potentially suicidal, what a weird way to do this? Walk in an area we're she could be seen. Attempt to drown in a slow shallow river. Why not go somewhere where the deed is easier? Like a bridge or train line? Why take the dog? Why do it minutes after a work conference and texts to friends? No wonder people have speculated. Then the cops have the audacity to say don't offer ideas when it's the public they need ideas and information from. Yes don't say the husband did it just for some Twitter replies and likes. But to generalise all theories as unhelpful is going to insolate any possible help.
 
groundsman said:
Which school cctv? There has been no cctv released apart from some terrible stills from the neighbours house with no timestamp to prove the date. Other missing persons the police put out any cctv to assist when asking for public information.
This appears to be an absolute mess of an investigation. To say after a week she's only gone in the river. Rule out anything else is very amateur and presumptuous. If she was taken or went another way all evidence would have been lost.
To now say she's potentially suicidal, what a weird way to do this? Walk in an area we're she could be seen. Attempt to drown in a slow shallow river. Why not go somewhere where the deed is easier? Like a bridge or train line? Why take the dog? Why do it minutes after a work conference and texts to friends? No wonder people have speculated. Then the cops have the audacity to say don't offer ideas when it's the public they need ideas and information from. Yes don't say the husband did it just for some Twitter replies and likes. But to generalise all theories as unhelpful is going to insolate any possible help.
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Yep, if I were the partner I'd be getting in touch with a lawyer, we've already had one 'looks the type' comment on this thread thanks to the police, of course he looks wrecked, he's going through a living hell.
 
Surely they must have had permission from he partner to release this information...We now understand why she was high risk..But the main issue is where is she now?..Its all very sad
 
Mr Tangerine Man said:
Surely they must have had permission from he partner to release this information...We now understand why she was high risk..But the main issue is where is she now?..Its all very sad
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I though the police said they briefed the family why they released it. I might be wrong though.
 
All very sad, You can in some way understand why the family would want to keep this info quiet though. People would have drawn their own conclusions weeks ago and as such the press coverage, tik tok investigators and this thread would be long gone by now. They needed to keep her being missing news relevant.
 
Purdonkey said:
All very sad, You can in some way understand why the family would want to keep this info quiet though. People would have drawn their own conclusions weeks ago and as such the press coverage, tik tok investigators and this thread would be long gone by now. They needed to keep her being missing news relevant.
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Normally I would 100% expect privacy. However in this case when the wife, the mum is missing you paint a full and clear picture as soon as possible. If you don't then you've withheld information vital. It all appears fishy. Like the cops are blaming her for going missing. Todays efforts to keep this news in the headlines are now going to ramp up all the theories and stories whether they are close to truth or just wild speculation.
 
Matesrates said:
I’m struggling to understand why they’ve released this information now, suicide by drowning in a shallow, slow moving river doesn’t make sense, are they now trying to say she’s gone of her own accord to get away from her problems? Bizarre.
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The key information released from the investigation, has gone from the river being shallow & slow moving, to tonight saying it was moving at a pace that would have carried her body over the first wier towards the sea.
The SIO's performance did nothing to endear the public or the family to the police or present the picture of a competent investigation.
Why was a Detective only appointed as the SIO on the Monday after Nicola was reported missing on the Friday? They knew very early on Friday that Nicola was a high risk & vulnerable missing person. They clearly put all their eggs in one basket, despite now saying that they didn't / haven't.
If Nicola has reached the sea, where would she likely to be washed up & when? The tidal experts will have given their opinion on this and it is important to visitors to the coastline.
If Nicola is alive, let's hope she doesn't hear the sensitive information that has been released about her.
We continue to live in hope that Nicola will return safe to her family.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
So in the eyes of the police, Nicola has driven her kids to school, then taken her dog for a walk while texting friends and logging in to a works call, before drowning herself in a shallow river because she's had issues with drinking?

Utter ** bollocks.
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You’re right there is still a lot that makes no sense at all.
 
What will these so called experts say now, what a waste of time, why did the partner keep this quiet for so long, did he know. Not read or seen full tv/police piece.
 
According to sky news…
The force said a response car staffed by police and health professionals "attended a report of concern for welfare" at Ms Bulley's home on 10 January.

"No one has been arrested in relation to this incident, but it is being investigated," according to Lancashire Police.
 
What a mess this is now. Nobody is coming out of it very well. The press conference today was just the police on the defensive, lecturing and then a little tit bit dropped that's now been followed up which I can't believe will be welcomed by the family at all.
What about the Dan Walker programme on Friday? I found it strange then , like he was interviewing someone on football focus and now it just seems they were painting a picture that was false. It wasn't the full story by any means.
The whole case from start to finish is sad , strange and something about it feels not right at all.
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
Disgusting what the police have said. To me it’s code for ‘We’ve had too many members of the public making our jobs difficult by questioning our methology so we’ll shut them up by giving out personal information for a missing person even though we’ve no evidence still that she’s in the river’.
What a bunch of twats.
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They’re clearly trying to tread a line between the truth and the family’s feelings / privacy.

It seems to me that the lady in question is considered high risk, due to having recently tried to harm herself. Hence why there have been reports for concern over her welfare and her partner is not under any suspicion. Nothing else makes logical sense.

They need to be clear about what they mean, otherwise people may draw the wrong conclusions.

They’ve totally bungled the whole public interaction from the get go.
 
Right, we more know she's not well and not thinking straight. People saying "she wouldn't take the kids, the dogs, the phone, log in" etc - course she would. People who commit suicide don't generally think straight, that's why they do it.

My mum, who was sectioned on s number of occasions always said people wouldn't know that you were going to do it.

It's obvious she could have entered the river, headed downstream and eventually got to the rougher and been swept away.

If she was under the influence, she could have slipped and banged her head etc.

I guess that's why the police have only really examined one theory is because she was at risk of doing something like it.

I've still got a niggle that she just wanted to disappear; and I'd add now, to sort her life out.

Poor woman.
 
Firstly, I feel for anyone which such a drink problem or any other type of issue. We should maybe all be on the vulnerable list by virtue of being humans.

This revelation from the police, whilst ill-timed perhaps, just goes to show how things usually aren’t what they seem.

We all saw the images of Nicola looking so happy. Everything to live for. Lovely family. Successful career. Prosperous. A seemingly wonderful life and lifestyle.

But that’s the social media image. Behind the scenes it clearly was somewhat darkly different.

Those that use Facebook will regularly see the images of others showing their lives step by step. The idyllic holidays. The Valentines declaration of love and gratitude. The meals out. Etc etc etc.

Most of it is a facade. It’s not so real. It’s not reality. We need to remember that these folk are not all living the dream like they try to portray.

Yet this social media voyeurism leads to envy, feelings of inadequacy, low self esteem and other such feelings. Why aren’t our lives as good as theirs? We are we the unlucky ones with problems? Well, in reality, we all have problems. Some worse than others of course, but for most, life isn’t easy for one reason or another.

With regards to anyone judging the partner, let’s be clear - we know nothing about him or his behaviours including his drinking habits. For all we know he could have been an absolute Angel trying to cope with Nicola’s problems and keep the family functioning. Please can we keep an open mind.
I once did Jury duty. At the first lunch break, one of the jurors announced to the others that the accused ‘looked guilty as hell’. Well - let’s stop the trial I thought. It’s obvious. We’re body language experts. Why bother with an expensive trial when all it takes is one look. 🤷‍♂️

The only good thing to take away from this latest news is that it ever so slightly makes the hypothesis where she walked away, more likely. If she did walk away on her own volition then it sounds like she will be in need of some professional help. Fingers crossed for a positive outcome.
 
Malced said:
Firstly, I feel for anyone which such a drink problem or any other type of issue. We should maybe all be on the vulnerable list by virtue of being humans.

This revelation from the police, whilst ill-timed perhaps, just goes to show how things usually aren’t what they seem.

We all saw the images of Nicola looking so happy. Everything to live for. Lovely family. Successful career. Prosperous. A seemingly wonderful life and lifestyle.

But that’s the social media image. Behind the scenes it clearly was somewhat darkly different.

Those that use Facebook will regularly see the images of others showing their lives step by step. The idyllic holidays. The Valentines declaration of love and gratitude. The meals out. Etc etc etc.

Most of it is a facade. It’s not so real. It’s not reality. We need to remember that these folk are not all living the dream like they try to portray.

Yet this social media voyeurism leads to envy, feelings of inadequacy, low self esteem and other such feelings. Why aren’t our lives as good as theirs? We are we the unlucky ones with problems? Well, in reality, we all have problems. Some worse than others of course, but for most, life isn’t easy for one reason or another.

With regards to anyone judging the partner, let’s be clear - we know nothing about him or his behaviours including his drinking habits. For all we know he could have been an absolute Angel trying to cope with Nicola’s problems and keep the family functioning. Please can we keep an open mind.
I once did Jury duty. At the first lunch break, one of the jurors announced to the others that the accused ‘looked guilty as hell’. Well - let’s stop the trial I thought. It’s obvious. We’re body language experts. Why bother with an expensive trial when all it takes is one look. 🤷‍♂️

The only good thing to take away from this latest news is that it ever so slightly makes the hypothesis where she walked away, more likely. If she did walk away on her own volition then it sounds like she will be in need of some professional help. Fingers crossed for a positive outcome.
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The guy did a long interview in the documentary last friday as well.
I don’t think anyone guilty would have agreed to do that. For what it’s worth he certainly didn’t come across as likely to be responsible for a murder to me either.
 
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I’m not necessarily supporting the police’s decision to release this information but you have to accept that the element of the public who have been behaving like morons, breaking and entering properties and taking bloody tik tok videos at the scene are partly to blame for pushing the police into this.
There is speculating, which is human nature, and next level illegal interference which is an all together different thing.

Those guilty of the latter have been wasting police resources by distracting the investigation and in some ways the info we now have does increase the likelihood of Nicola harming herself. This knowledge itself would have deterred some of the vigilante behaviours.

As for Nicola Malced is correct. It does shoot apart the image we were allowing ourselves to create, one of a lady with a perfectly blissful life, a lady who couldn’t possibly abscond or self harm. Now we know this isn’t the case, as in it isn’t impossible.

God bless her because this info doesn’t make the scenarios or outcomes any easy to contemplate or digest but it does make some theories appear more possible or plausible than before.
And yes, God bless her poor kids and her family.
 
Lala said:
I’m not necessarily supporting the police’s decision to release this information but you have to accept that the element of the public who have been behaving like morons, breaking and entering properties and taking bloody tik tok videos at the scene are partly to blame for pushing the police into this.
There is speculating, which is human nature, and next level illegal interference which is an all together different thing.

Those guilty of the latter have been wasting police resources by distracting the investigation and in some ways the info we now have does increase the likelihood of Nicola harming herself. This knowledge itself would have deterred some of the vigilante behaviours.

As for Nicola Malced is correct. It does shoot apart the image we were allowing ourselves to create, one of a lady with a perfectly blissful life, a lady who couldn’t possibly abscond or self harm. Now we know this isn’t the case, as in it isn’t impossible.

God bless her because this info doesn’t make the scenarios or outcomes any easy to contemplate or digest but it does make some theories appear more possible or plausible than before.
And yes, God bless her poor kids and her family.
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But revealing personal information about problems she might have had, really hasn’t affected the case in a positive way.

There’s still every possibility open to what’s happened to her. All possibilities are still viable in my mind.

The press conference has done nothing to help the enquiry, but it has helped shore up the Police’s position in what eerily looks like battle lines being drawn between media, Police and tragically Nicola’s family. I think that’s what’s narked people.
Nothing to help but looks like they’ve smeared the lady for no other reason than to back themselves up.

If I’m missing a positive from it please point it out because I’m struggling to see it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
They’re clearly trying to tread a line between the truth and the family’s feelings / privacy.

It seems to me that the lady in question is considered high risk, due to having recently tried to harm herself. Hence why there have been reports for concern over her welfare and her partner is not under any suspicion. Nothing else makes logical sense.

They need to be clear about what they mean, otherwise people may draw the wrong conclusions.

They’ve totally bungled the whole public interaction from the get go.
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While I agree with a lot of that I’m not sure how the police could have handled the PR side differently? They can’t control speculation by the public on social media and in the mainstream press.

I suppose (with hindsight) they could have released this latest information at the outset. I imagine the reaction of most people then would have been “Looks as if she’s committed suicide by going in the river. That’s very sad”. And the spotlight would have moved on (or never even been turned on in the first place).

The abduction theory (based on absolutely no evidence at all) would never have gained any traction, the armchair detectives wouldn’t have bothered posting, the grandstanding “experts” wouldn’t have inflamed the situation by appearing on TV and in the media, and the tik tokers and selfie snapping “tourists” would’ve found other ways to massage their egos. And this thread would be on page 10.

As it is the police have tried to respect the privacy of the family at the same time as following the most obvious line of enquiry (while committing huge resources - 40 detectives - to investigating the other, less likely, scenarios) and are getting pelters for it.

I find the whole thing, but particularly the anger of some people to these latest developments, utterly weird tbh.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
While I agree with a lot of that I’m not sure how the police could have handled the PR side differently? They can’t control speculation by the public on social media and in the mainstream press.

I suppose (with hindsight) they could have released this latest information at the outset. I imagine the reaction of most people then would have been “Looks as if she’s committed suicide by going in the river. That’s very sad”. And the spotlight would have moved on (or never even been turned on in the first place).

The abduction theory (based on absolutely no evidence at all) would never have gained any traction, the armchair detectives wouldn’t have bothered posting, the grandstanding “experts” wouldn’t have inflamed the situation by appearing on TV and in the media, and the tik tokers and selfie snapping “tourists” would’ve found other ways to massage their egos. And this thread would be on page 10.

As it is the police have tried to respect the privacy of the family at the same time as following the most obvious line of enquiry (while committing huge resources - 40 detectives - to investigating the other, less likely, scenarios) and are getting pelters for it.

I find the whole thing, but particularly the anger of some people to these latest developments, utterly weird tbh.
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I’m not saying they needed to release the information at the outset, but they do need to be absolutely clear when they do release information that it is straightforward and transparent… not some weird and slowly evolving half truth …
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not saying they needed to release the information at the outset, but they do need to be absolutely clear when they do release information that it is straightforward and transparent… not some weird and slowly evolving half truth …
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That I agree with. Again though it seems they were trying to protect the family’s privacy in the press conference, only to be forced into revealing more details a few hours later, presumably because of media pressure.

As has been said before, they can’t win. Criticised for saying too much and criticised for not saying enough.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not saying they needed to release the information at the outset, but they do need to be absolutely clear when they do release information that it is straightforward and transparent… not some weird and slowly evolving half truth …
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Yep, yesterday was bizarre.
  • Well she's high risk you know...
  • Errr, it's menopause 'issues'...
  • Actually did you hear she's got a drinking problem?
  • Right everyone, there was an incident a month ago...
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Yep, yesterday was bizarre.
  • Well she's high risk you know...
  • Errr, it's menopause 'issues'...
  • Actually did you hear she's got a drinking problem?
  • Right everyone, there was an incident a month ago...
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That was mishandled I agree.

But if you look at the news reports this morning there are two distinct camps.

The police getting pelters for disclosing this “private information”. And

The police getting pelters for not providing more information earlier and allowing the vacuum to be filled by online speculation and the media.

Damned if they do. And damned if they don’t.

Meanwhile they continue to pursue the most obvious line of enquiry at the same time as investigating other potential scenarios.
 
Thatseasider said:
But revealing personal information about problems she might have had, really hasn’t affected the case in a positive way.

There’s still every possibility open to what’s happened to her. All possibilities are still viable in my mind.

The press conference has done nothing to help the enquiry, but it has helped shore up the Police’s position in what eerily looks like battle lines being drawn between media, Police and tragically Nicola’s family. I think that’s what’s narked people.
Nothing to help but looks like they’ve smeared the lady for no other reason than to back themselves up.

If I’m missing a positive from it please point it out because I’m struggling to see it.
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The positive is meant to be that people will realise that there is a possibility she has harmed herself, and stop taking tik tok videos of stained gloves and selling their stories to The Sun.

I think that was probably the final straw yesterday when the police had to come out and refute the glove story. If they keep having to address the public in this manner then it is distracting from the real investigation and it’s a positive if they can get that time back and spend it focusing on finding Nicola.

And I personally don’t think the information smears Nicola. It just paints her as a fallible human being with vulnerabilities, like a lot of people.
 
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Lala said:
The positive is meant to be that people will realise that there is a possibility she has harmed herself, and stop taking tik tok videos of stained gloves and selling their stories to The Sun.

I think that was probably the final straw yesterday when the police had to come out and refute the glove story. If they keep having to address the public in this manner then it is distracting from the real investigation and it’s a positive if they can get that time back and spend it focusing on finding Nicola.
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Sorry but I don’t see that as a positive.

They’re the Police, they handle conjecture and an idiotic public every day, granted not on this scale but they still do it.

Ultimately its out of their control what the media say day to day and what’s in peoples minds. Why worry about stuff you can’t control 🤷‍♂️ Just focus on the investigation.

Like I say seems awfully like they’re shoring their own position up whilst compounding the suffering of her family. It’s added no value.

I thought it was disgraceful to be honest.
 
Thatseasider said:
Sorry but I don’t see that as a positive.

They’re the Police, they handle conjecture and an idiotic public every day, granted not on this scale but they still do it.

Ultimately its out of their control what the media say day to day and what’s in peoples minds. Why worry about stuff you can’t control 🤷‍♂️ Just focus on the investigation.

Like I say seems awfully like they’re shoring their own position up whilst compounding the suffering of her family. It’s added no value.

I thought it was disgraceful to be honest.
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And it’s your perogative to view it that way.

I can understand this move on some level, and how it may prevent the shitshow of clownish behaviour that has been stalling the investigation.

We agree to differ 👍
 
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