Man Utd Fans Protest

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Lytham_fy8 said:
I know what you're saying but there's one critical difference with the PL in that it's not a closed shop, Sky are obviously the anti Christ but fans can still dream of the riches for their clubs.

It's really easy to be critical of any protest, do you know anyone who stopped going in the PL season because it was Sky money? Did that negate our protest? Was anyone laughing walking out of Wembley in 2012 because it meant we didn't sully the club with tainted Sky money?

It's also very easy to be critical of our protest for anyone on the outside of it.
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Lytham

To be honest, I'm sure we'd agree and disagree on many of the different issues.

I was really getting at you questioning my use of if's and but's.

Surely it's inevitable that I'm going to use the term "if" if Sky weren't actually involved in the ESL.

You made good points when we were debating lockdown last week but you referred to what would have happened IF we hadn't done this or IF we hadn't done as you had to do so.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Lytham

To be honest, I'm sure we'd agree and disagree on many of the different issues.

I was really getting at you questioning my use of if's and but's.

Surely it's inevitable that I'm going to use the term "if" if Sky weren't actually involved in the ESL.

You made good points when we were debating lockdown last week but you referred to what would have happened IF we hadn't done this or IF we hadn't done as you had to do so.
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Lytham_fy8 said:
There's also an argument that protests don't actually work, it's just a moral choice for each individual, we were on the winning side against the Oystons but we didn't win it, VB did, no VB and the Oystons would still be here regardless.
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Agreed but things seem to have moved on pretty quickly with regards to abuse and racism etc, and now the effects of what would have been the ESL.

The Tottenham Trust guy on TV this morning spoke of a watershed moment and I think he's nailed it.
 
Plumbs said:
Agreed but things seem to have moved on pretty quickly with regards to abuse and racism etc, and now the effects of what would have been the ESL.

The Tottenham Trust guy on TV this morning spoke of a watershed moment and I think he's nailed it.
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The EFL would have just followed the 'we can't do anything' line though and he wasn't leaving of his own accord come hell or high water.

Anyway, my point is we're all a bunch of hypocritical wankers when it suits, I banged on about what a wrong 'un Oyston was for years and years but still handed over my ST money like a Christian every summer.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The EFL would have just followed the 'we can't do anything' line though and he wasn't leaving of his own accord come hell or high water.

Anyway, my point is we're all a bunch of hypocritical wankers when it suits, I banged on about what a wrong 'un Oyston was for years and years but still handed over my ST money like a Christian every summer.
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Agreed and I've supported dodgy owners with my season ticket money too, although I didn't realise that until it was too late.

No Sky etc here but its hard work and I do feel sometimes like I'm cutting off my nose etc
 
This wont get rid of the Glazers.

When fans allowed back they need a full boycott with no mushrooms.The Glazers will then sell to the highest bidder.

This is not the toothless EFL. Half a season of no fans. Premier League will put pressure on the Glazers.
 
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Television fans will be complaining about this, they just don’t understand.

Saying that we did have a few moaning about the Huddersfield protest... “we’ll get docked points next season”... “this won’t change anything”... “it’s not the players fault”... and that was just Ian Chisnall.
 
I’ve never been much of a fan of this Club - they’ve had every advantage and more throughout my life time but on this one they have a point - a nice Club they are not

I think back to how the Oyston’s (British through and through) were deposed and think how lucky our fans were to have Belekon to risk all, to get his fair dues back from them, and effectively ruin them if not quite bankrupting them. Had it not been for him Simon Sadler and BFC would not be where we are today and a Mightier Blackpool FC than we were.

This scenario is somewhat different and there is no way of preventing the Glazersunless you stop subscribing to Sly Sports, buying shirts/ season tickets, influencing players minds on whether this is the ethical Club for you as a current or potential new players and thouroughly vote with your feet.

having said the above, there is little democracy in pro football. The owners own, the fans own little (but can moan a lot) and the terms are largely at Prem level dictated by agents and equally money grabbing players.

we’re lucky at Blackpool (or at least I think we are,) where fans are listened to now, we have a Board rep (for what it’s worth) & things are so much more stable and generally happier

So, sanctions for the protesting team ! Well 2 weeks ago they were walking away from the English game structure and now they can’t (currently) stage a game, quite an important one - dangerous game being played by Owners & fans - is there a better way, I don’t know but one thing I have learnt from the Premium League is that it is not a true fans game any more and I am happy enough watching local footie and my beloved Blackpool out of Court when I can

let’s hope all of this helps improve the English game but I do think ‘Times are a changing !’ And it’s reassuring to see fans care so much about their Clubs.

just my thoughts
 
Don't think our protests got much support from the MSM media either. You just get the patronising comments about thuggish behaviour and ruinung it for the real fans etc etc. We were lucky with Belekon as Lytham stated earlier as without him winning in court the scum Oystons would still be here...makes me shudder

Wonder what Owen, Karl, and Sam are up to these days. And whatever happened to the wooly mammoth?
 
Lot of passionate callers on 5Live, Everton, Spurs fans as well as Mancs giving some great views, all in agreement with today’s events and more.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The EFL would have just followed the 'we can't do anything' line though and he wasn't leaving of his own accord come hell or high water.

Anyway, my point is we're all a bunch of hypocritical wankers when it suits, I banged on about what a wrong 'un Oyston was for years and years but still handed over my ST money like a Christian every summer.
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All football supporters are fickle and hypocritical like you say Lytham.

Some might say I'm being lazy but I think todays protest is more to do with young people who have been starved of action for over a year and just looking for something to do.

The majority might have been football supporters with a beef against the owners but I think it was just something to do.

Along the lines of what we were discussing before, I also don't think they protest if Man Utd had more than an outside chance of winning the league, if they were say 6 points behind City, I don't think they'd have been protesting.

I'm iffing again so I'll feck off !!!!!!!!! :)
 
Tangojoe said:
Do they know what they're protesting about?
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They’re moaning about only spending a couple of billion £s in players and still being in Citehs shadow

Agreed on many points raised though. If they’re serious and genuinely want the owners out, they have to boycott and picket line the stadium. We were too low a league for anyone to care. An empty old Trafford would absolutely get the media interest plus be a huge hole in the owners pocket.
Sky / Bt etc would quickly get bored of showing a stadium of just a small number of away fans
 
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SEASIDE2020 said:
All football supporters are fickle and hypocritical like you say Lytham.

Some might say I'm being lazy but I think todays protest is more to do with young people who have been starved of action for over a year and just looking for something to do.

The majority might have been football supporters with a beef against the owners but I think it was just something to do.

Along the lines of what we were discussing before, I also don't think they protest if Man Utd had more than an outside chance of winning the league, if they were say 6 points behind City, I don't think they'd have been protesting.

I'm iffing again so I'll feck off !!!!!!!!! :)
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How would you know what they were thinking or what their motivations are?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
All football supporters are fickle and hypocritical like you say Lytham.

Some might say I'm being lazy but I think todays protest is more to do with young people who have been starved of action for over a year and just looking for something to do.

The majority might have been football supporters with a beef against the owners but I think it was just something to do.

Along the lines of what we were discussing before, I also don't think they protest if Man Utd had more than an outside chance of winning the league, if they were say 6 points behind City, I don't think they'd have been protesting.

I'm iffing again so I'll feck off !!!!!!!!! :)
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Utd fans set up FC Utd whilst they were flying high under Fergie. They've run a long standing campaign against the Glazers which has taken in several years with European finals, title wins and so on.

I think this is the problem. We should be getting behind them as a whole, not going 'oh, but they're only moaning because...'

Premier League fans have more reason in a way to kick off than lower league fans. The match day experience is ruined, the prices are sky high, their grounds are turned into corporate cash cows, you can't buy a match ticket, the clubs are actively seeking to push out local 'legacy fans' in favour of tourists who spend in the megastore. The games kick off at stupid times on stupid days and so on.

Now on top of all that, the Glazers were behind trying to take them into a franchise league.

Give them some ** credit for standing up to them!!!!
 
td53 said:
Utd fans set up FC Utd whilst they were flying high under Fergie. They've run a long standing campaign against the Glazers which has taken in several years with European finals, title wins and so on.

I think this is the problem. We should be getting behind them as a whole, not going 'oh, but they're only moaning because...'

Premier League fans have more reason in a way to kick off than lower league fans. The match day experience is ruined, the prices are sky high, their grounds are turned into corporate cash cows, you can't buy a match ticket, the clubs are actively seeking to push out local 'legacy fans' in favour of tourists who spend in the megastore. The games kick off at stupid times on stupid days and so on.

Now on top of all that, the Glazers were behind trying to take them into a franchise league.

Give them some ** credit for standing up to them!!!!
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Spot on mate....everyone has the capacity to be a hypocrite and some are revealing that very trait on here today
 
td53 said:
Utd fans set up FC Utd whilst they were flying high under Fergie. They've run a long standing campaign against the Glazers which has taken in several years with European finals, title wins and so on.

I think this is the problem. We should be getting behind them as a whole, not going 'oh, but they're only moaning because...'

Premier League fans have more reason in a way to kick off than lower league fans. The match day experience is ruined, the prices are sky high, their grounds are turned into corporate cash cows, you can't buy a match ticket, the clubs are actively seeking to push out local 'legacy fans' in favour of tourists who spend in the megastore. The games kick off at stupid times on stupid days and so on.

Now on top of all that, the Glazers were behind trying to take them into a franchise league.

Give them some ** credit for standing up to them!!!!
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Agreed but they’ve got to go the whole hog and boycott and picket. Empty the place out and make it shit for the match day tourists
 
td53 said:
Utd fans set up FC Utd whilst they were flying high under Fergie. They've run a long standing campaign against the Glazers which has taken in several years with European finals, title wins and so on.

I think this is the problem. We should be getting behind them as a whole, not going 'oh, but they're only moaning because...'

Premier League fans have more reason in a way to kick off than lower league fans. The match day experience is ruined, the prices are sky high, their grounds are turned into corporate cash cows, you can't buy a match ticket, the clubs are actively seeking to push out local 'legacy fans' in favour of tourists who spend in the megastore. The games kick off at stupid times on stupid days and so on.

Now on top of all that, the Glazers were behind trying to take them into a franchise league.

Give them some ** credit for standing up to them!!!!
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‘Legacy fans,’ like ‘collateral damage’ makes me want to throw up!!
 
Chunkylad said:
Agreed but they’ve got to go the whole hog and boycott and picket. Empty the place out and make it shit for the match day tourists
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Yep, but tbf they've not got that chance yet since all the Super League stuff kicked off. I really hope this all gathers momentum and we start to see what football has become.

A ring of steel around grounds protecting 'the business' from the fans.

That will be a ** brilliant metaphor for where we are.

You can see the same rifts we experienced opening up already. The 'proper fans' line being pushed by the media. Those who know their place and politely protest outside the view of the TV cameras and the 'hoodlums' who 'go to far'
 
Mark_GT said:
Unless the product looks bad on telly - then their people and more importantly the broadcast media take a bit more notice.
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Billionaire owners will sack the uneducated and hire more uneducated to try and smooth things over to those that matter. They are only interested in those have more money than them.
 
Is it me.. but that has really hit a nerve with me and what we went through... 5 yrs of not watching football.. arguing with fellow fans.. etc.. all shit memories.. just feels crap.. let's hope this with UTD changes things but then the feckers should have listened to us all them years ago.. im currently angry and as a small club who started all this they should have listened
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
And we funded the Oystons for decades.
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Yes agreed, but if they want things to change stopping the funding of the Glaziers would be a way forward. Yes I doubt our non funding of the Oystons made much difference and that without Valeri we would still be in the shit. But they have to make some inroads into getting them out.
 
td53 said:
Yep, but tbf they've not got that chance yet since all the Super League stuff kicked off. I really hope this all gathers momentum and we start to see what football has become.

A ring of steel around grounds protecting 'the business' from the fans.

That will be a ** brilliant metaphor for where we are.

You can see the same rifts we experienced opening up already. The 'proper fans' line being pushed by the media. Those who know their place and politely protest outside the view of the TV cameras and the 'hoodlums' who 'go to far'
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Spot on. Groves was peddling this particular line of old shite on Talksport. You could tell Sam Whatsisface the host was embarrassed by it and, more likely, thinking "fuck- I'll get lynched next time I roll up to Old Trafford".

Whichever way you look at, it having a high profile Premier League match postponed due to protest about bad owners is something of a landmark moment. The big question is, does that all now fizzle away as the next greed league/establishment chapter opens next season with matchday seats, TV packages etc freshly repackaged by the controlling forces and up for grabs?
 
td53 said:
Utd fans set up FC Utd whilst they were flying high under Fergie. They've run a long standing campaign against the Glazers which has taken in several years with European finals, title wins and so on.

I think this is the problem. We should be getting behind them as a whole, not going 'oh, but they're only moaning because...'

Premier League fans have more reason in a way to kick off than lower league fans. The match day experience is ruined, the prices are sky high, their grounds are turned into corporate cash cows, you can't buy a match ticket, the clubs are actively seeking to push out local 'legacy fans' in favour of tourists who spend in the megastore. The games kick off at stupid times on stupid days and so on.

Now on top of all that, the Glazers were behind trying to take them into a franchise league.

Give them some ** credit for standing up to them!!!!
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You make some fair and good points td but I didn't mean to be overly critical of todays events, I just feel that there were a lot of youngsters who haven't been able to do much of late.

I see you are critical of Sky TV, I can't I say I have any big problem with Sky but I do find it strange that many - not your good self - that are so opposed to the ESL have put Sky and Gary Neville on a pedestal as the saviours of football.

Sky were clearly not going to be involved in the broadcasting of the ESL - certainly not when it started - and have provided a platform for everybody to register their dissatisfaction of the venture and dedicated plenty of air time in informing football supporters how terrible the new league was for football.

Now that the new venture has collapsed, it will be good to see their "doo gooder" policy backfire on them.
 
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