Maxwell is our number one keeper

Must be demoralising as owt to hear that you're back on the bench as soon as Maxwell returns, you've no chance of playing your way back into the team.

I don't have particularly strong feelings on the Maxwell/Grimshaw debate, but I stand in the Grimshaw camp based on the potential. I personally don't think there is much between them and bringing Grimshaw in hasn't magically solved all our problems.

Coming out and basically outright saying he his straight back on the bench when Maxwell is fit is just terrible man management. Maxwell brings an element of leadership but what good has that been doing? It steadied us initially when he came back in but since then we've still been regularly losing games and shipping plenty of goals.

His doesn't help himself with his comments but then you can see Scrafton keeps his ear to the ground in terms of fan opinion and will take a cheeky little quote out, here he knows the Maxwell/Grimshaw debate is a hot topic so he's cherry picked that knowing it gets the clicks and outrage motivated interactions. Its his job at the end of the day and Appleton did say it but it whips up more negativity (a journalist doing that, who'd have thought).
 
There seems to be a vendetta against Maxwell on here. As I've said before we have bigger problems than the keeper situation which is quite healthy in my book.
 
SirHarryThomson said:
There seems to be a vendetta against Maxwell on here. As I've said before we have bigger problems than the keeper situation which is quite healthy in my book.
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It’s ridiculous….

It’s just become another one of those things that the stick in the muds attach to…

At the end of the day, the harsh reality is that the only way that Grimmy gets regular first team football at the minute is by dropping a level or working hard on his shortcomings and taking his chance when it comes again.

At this moment in time an older more experienced head is what is wanted… That might change if / when we recruit.
 
JJpool said:
Did really well up until the goal, where he wasn't set for the header that was within reach.
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JJ, you're a bloody good poster with normally a great sense of balance and perspective but you let yourself badly down here. No problem with you preferring Grimshaw and there's plenty of reasons why he should be no 1 but to blame Maxwell for yesterdays goal is ridiculously harsh.
 
20togo said:
JJ, you're a bloody good poster with normally a great sense of balance and perspective but you let yourself badly down here. No problem with you preferring Grimshaw and there's plenty of reasons why he should be no 1 but to blame Maxwell for yesterdays goal is ridiculously harsh.
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I don't have a dislike for him or anything just think Grimmy is better. I thought Maxwell did well yesterday until that point.

I don't expect a keeper to be beat so close to him, not in the corners. It's not the first time he's been beaten close to him or straight through him and it probably won't be the last.

Goalkeeping is about judgement and reading the play as well as reflex saves.

A good keeper saves that header as it wasn't powerful. He wasn't set. If you watch the goal from Lees video he's off the ground and can't use his right foot to push towards the ball until it's too late.

A bit like when a keeper on a freekick takes a step to the side at the time the ball is struck, that the walls covering and then can't get back the other way to the side he should be covering. Happens quite often and they leave themselves too much to do.

Some said there's no way it could be saved which is tbh rubbish.

There was a catalogue of errors before that in not stopping thr cross, or Lavery not challenging the player who headed it. But last line of defence is the keeper, he's watching play, it's headed towards their striker who's never going to leave it and Maxwell isn't set at the right time to make a save right near to him.
 
JJpool said:
I don't have a dislike for him or anything just think Grimmy is better. I thought Maxwell did well yesterday until that point.

I don't expect a keeper to be beat so close to him, not in the corners. It's not the first time he's been beaten close to him or straight through him and it probably won't be the last.

Goalkeeping is about judgement and reading the play as well as reflex saves.

A good keeper saves that header as it wasn't powerful. He wasn't set. If you watch the goal from Lees video he's off the ground and can't use his right foot to push towards the ball until it's too late.

A bit like when a keeper on a freekick takes a step to the side at the time the ball is struck, that the walls covering and then can't get back the other way to the side he should be covering. Happens quite often and they leave themselves too much to do.

Some said there's no way it could be saved which is tbh rubbish.

There was a catalogue of errors before that in not stopping thr cross, or Lavery not challenging the player who headed it. But last line of defence is the keeper, he's watching play, it's headed towards their striker who's never going to leave it and Maxwell isn't set at the right time to make a save right near to him.
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watch it again. You can clearly see that rightly so all the pressure was on his right foot/leg as that was the direction the ball was heading before Stewarts intervention. It then wasn't a slow header as you tried to claim, it was past Maxwell in a blink of an eye. If and it's extremely doubtful that he had managed to save it, it would have been a world class save and Maxwell isn't a world class keeper. Yep, seen Lee's video, just confirms my view, he'd no chance.

So to throw your comment back at you, some say he should have saved it which tbh is rubbish.
 
20togo said:
watch it again. You can clearly see that rightly so all the pressure was on his right foot/leg as that was the direction the ball was heading before Stewarts intervention. It then wasn't a slow header as you tried to claim, it was past Maxwell in a blink of an eye. If and it's extremely doubtful that he had managed to save it, it would have been a world class save and Maxwell isn't a world class keeper. Yep, seen Lee's video, just confirms my view, he'd no chance.

So to throw your comment back at you, some say he should have saved it which tbh is rubbish.
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I've watched in tons of times, he was moving to the right as the header which never would have gone in was going that way yes, he moves but at the time the striker is clearly going to head the ball he's caught when not set.

It's not past in a flash like a cross by foot, it was a header from a looped ball so only so much power can be generated, it can be read if he's actually set for it, he isn't.

I said a good keeper reads it and saves it.
 
JJpool said:
I've watched in tons of times, he was moving to the right as the header which never would have gone in was going that way yes, he moves but at the time the striker is clearly going to head the ball he's caught when not set.

It's not past in a flash like a cross by foot, it was a header from a looped ball so only so much power can be generated, it can be read if he's actually set for it, he isn't.

I said a good keeper reads it and saves it.
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you're clearly an expert on goalkeeping and know exactly what Maxwell was thinking, how he should re-act. I prefer to think he had no chance and that your constant criticism of Maxwell and overwhelming bias towards Grimshaw clouds your judgement. Which is what I said in the first place.
 
JJpool said:
I've watched in tons of times, he was moving to the right as the header which never would have gone in was going that way yes, he moves but at the time the striker is clearly going to head the ball he's caught when not set.

It's not past in a flash like a cross by foot, it was a header from a looped ball so only so much power can be generated, it can be read if he's actually set for it, he isn't.

I said a good keeper reads it and saves it.
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Run for the Sun, Little One ..
 
20togo said:
you're clearly an expert on goalkeeping and know exactly what Maxwell was thinking, how he should re-act. I prefer to think he had no chance and that your constant criticism of Maxwell and overwhelming bias towards Grimshaw clouds your judgement. Which is what I said in the first place.
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Are any of us goalkeeping experts? I've seen keepers make save like like loads of times. It's certainly possible to read it. If it had gone near the corner I'd say no chance, as it was there was a chance.

No it doesn't, I'd call out Grimmy if he made errors too.
 
JJpool said:
Are any of us goalkeeping experts? I've seen keepers make save like like loads of times. It's certainly possible to read it. If it had gone near the corner I'd say no chance, as it was there was a chance.

No it doesn't, I'd call out Grimmy if he made errors too.
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go on then, refer me to your post re the game against Sheff U where Grimshaw was rooted to his line and was beaten at the near post making it easy for their second goal.
 
20togo said:
go on then, refer me to your post re the game against Sheff U where Grimshaw was rooted to his line and was beaten at the near post making it easy for their second goal.
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Don't think there was one at the time as I think all the focus on the forum was on Appleton losing again, but I have said it wasn't the best.

JJpool said:
Maxwell gets beat through him or close to him far too often. The sheff u goal was poor all round. Grimmy maybe could have come out a bit more, but he probably thought they'd pass it across. Wasn't the best.

But I think grimmy saves this one.

Watch it back its a relatively slow header back in the box and then it's diverted not far past Maxwell, if you look, he's not set right and can't react because he's off the ground. It's not in the corner, it's not like the the guy heading it was a surprise, poor one for me.
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The shot though was right in the corner.

After watching it back his positioning isn't as bad as some claim, could maybe have come a little further but probably thought it would be played across for the tap in, but again the finish was so wide of him still, not many complaints when it's right in the corner.

Also rooted to his line? Maybe you need to watch it back, hes certainly not on his line.

Here, he's probably able to get to most shots bar the very corners from that position. Maybe a yard further forward but I don't think he'd have got this.

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Look how wide the shot was. He might have guessed he'd go that way yes but most shots go to the other side from that angle.

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JJpool said:
Land of facts and reality, as shown above.
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you're making excuses for him. Sure, he wasn't rooted to his line but you look at the first photo. The ball passed pretty close to his right hand side. And trust me that shot was no more powerful than Stewarts header. It was a pea roller.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
He basically gave Grimmy the eyes and Grimshaw went the wrong way.
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Yep, but his positioning wasn't actually all that bad, as people claimed, also the goals right in the corner.

If we're going to focus on a grimmy error not sure this is the one.
 
20togo said:
you're making excuses for him. Sure, he wasn't rooted to his line but you look at the first photo. The ball passed pretty close to his right hand side. And trust me that shot was no more powerful than Stewarts header. It was a pea roller.
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I'm not, he got done with the eyes but was positioned OK. The ball was further from him than it was from Maxwell. If in a 1 on 1 and its put as far as it can go into the corner then not sure we can have too many complaints.
 
JJpool said:
Yep, but his positioning wasn't actually all that bad, as people claimed, also the goals right in the corner.

If we're going to focus on a grimmy error not sure this is the one.
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The fact is that the entire debate is utterly ridiculous in any case. You can make a case for either keeper..

Then the whole “Grimmy would have saved that when Maxwell didn’t” thing, just sinks further into the depths of nonsense really.

It wasn’t that long ago Grimshaw was regularly passing the ball to the opposition and giving them free shots on his goal. Then there was the free kick where he bolloxed up the wall positioning and watched the ball sail into his net.

Fact is… there’s no difference between your made up and imaginary situation where Maxwell should have set himself better and made the save yesterday, than a similarly made up and imaginary situation where Grimmy should have made the save illustrated above.

it’s total nonsense!!
 
JJpool said:
I'm not, he got done with the eyes but was positioned OK. The ball was further from him than it was from Maxwell. If in a 1 on 1 and its put as far as it can go into the corner then not sure we can have too many complaints.
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we clearly disagree. But for me he could have done better and that first photo shows it. You clearly have your preference for Grimshaw and that shows in your defence of Grimshaw and criticism of Maxwell. A clear lack of objectivity on your part here. And I've not read anything about him getting done with his eyes. Has Grimshaw said anything like that or are you making it up.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The fact is that the entire debate is utterly ridiculous in any case. You can make a case for either keeper..

Then the whole “Grimmy would have saved that when Maxwell didn’t” thing, just sinks further into the depths of nonsense really.

It wasn’t that long ago Grimshaw was regularly passing the ball to the opposition and giving them free shots on his goal. Then there was the free kick where he bolloxed up the wall positioning and watched the ball sail into his net.

Fact is… there’s no difference between your made up and imaginary situation where Maxwell should have set himself better and made the save yesterday, than a similarly made up and imaginary situation where Grimmy should have made the save illustrated above.

it’s total nonsense!!
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Grimmy is quicker, he's younger and more agile, not a lot to argue about that. It's just a fact.

For me he saves more shots in and around him, being quicker and more agile. He's statistically the better keeper too.

Where he's let himself down at times has been positioning.

But, we know he is young and what improves with experience is decision making.

What isn't going to improve for Maxwell is his agility or speed to make a save. Infact he's getting injured more and more.

Yep he passes it to the opposition a few times. Maxwell did the daisy cutter kick also against Barnsley for eg and some of his kicking struggles to pass halfway.

Nothing imaginary about reading a ball going to the striker to head it and reacting to that header once it's happened.
 
20togo said:
we clearly disagree. But for me he could have done better and that first photo shows it. You clearly have your preference for Grimshaw and that shows in your defence of Grimshaw and criticism of Maxwell. A clear lack of objectivity on your part here. And I've not read anything about him getting done with his eyes. Has Grimshaw said anything like that or are you making it up.
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You said he was rooted to the line and wasn't. He clearly thought the ball was going the other way, whether given the eyes as bfc said or just because most shots do. Either way he went the wrong way, no getting around it. But right in thr corner is tough to stop.

It's not a lack of objectivity when one is better than the other, backed up by factual stats. One is younger and more agile and therefore more likely to be able to make quick reaction saves.
 
Not sure where Maxwell was yesterday?

Can tell you where Chris Flapswell was though, in between our sticks.

Grimshaw’s the superior keeper in every department.

You don’t need soy latte goalkeeping XG bollocks to work that one out.
 
Thatseasider said:
Not sure where Maxwell was yesterday?

Can tell you where Chris Flapswell was though, in between our sticks.

Grimshaw’s the superior keeper in every department.

You don’t need soy latte goalkeeping XG bollocks to work that one out.
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Tbf I thought he did alright and I didn't see a lot of flapping, but for me could have got to the goal if he read the play and reacted to it, as it went past very close to him.
 
JJpool said:
Tbf I thought he did alright and I didn't see a lot of flapping, but for me could have got to the goal if he read the play and reacted to it, as it went past very close to him.
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Lots of indecisive flapping for me. The one in first half around the 20 minute mark where he just did a star jump in front of the cross. To be fair to him it was so bizarre it put Diallo off a tap in. 🙄.

He’s not dreadful there’s just a better keeper at the club.
 
Thatseasider said:
Lots of indecisive flapping for me. The one in first half around the 20 minute mark where he just did a star jump in front of the cross. To be fair to him it was so bizarre it put Diallo off a tap in. 🙄.

He’s not dreadful there’s just a better keeper at the club.
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Can't really remember that tbh, but there's been games where each corner has felt so anxious and he'd try and come but get stuck and miss the ball and .....flap. I don't recall feeling like that against Sunderland.

Although a lot of the pressure from them was 2nd half so from the North harder to gauge.

But without doubt there's a better keeper on the bench. Faster off his line, more agile, better reaction saves, better from crosses, he usually punches them. Add to that he'll improve, is an asset that can increase in value.

Kind of points to another potential mismanagement by Appleton.

Sometimes good players like Grimmy and Poveda have a bit of attitude, if managed better could we have seen more of Poveda in particular? It's a shame we've had to wait until past halfway before we've seen his real talent.
 
The stats that were provided above show that we actually have two decent keepers at this level. It's another classic example of people taking entrenched positions once they have formed an opinion on a player. We could do a lot worse than both of them and neither have regular howlers, the goals against Sunderland and Sheff U that have been mentioned aren't clear cut.
 
JJpool said:
Can't really remember that tbh, but there's been games where each corner has felt so anxious and he'd try and come but get stuck and miss the ball and .....flap. I don't recall feeling like that against Sunderland.

Although a lot of the pressure from them was 2nd half so from the North harder to gauge.

But without doubt there's a better keeper on the bench. Faster off his line, more agile, better reaction saves, better from crosses, he usually punches them. Add to that he'll improve, is an asset that can increase in value.

Kind of points to another potential mismanagement by Appleton.

Sometimes good players like Grimmy and Poveda have a bit of attitude, if managed better could we have seen more of Poveda in particular? It's a shame we've had to wait until past halfway before we've seen his real talent.
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I can remember two more flaps from corners off the top of my head yesterday.

Weren’t there rumours of a training ground bust up between Grimmy and Appleton from a couple of ITKs
 
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Don`t think Maxwell could have prevented the Sunderland goal or that he`s a poor keeper but do think that Grimshaw is a better keeper an outstanding prospect and we are only damaging his confidence and potential transfer value by messing him about like we currently are and all that rubbish about his positioning for the Blades second goal, which was a perfectly placed shot that virtually grazed the post is just that, TOTAL RUBBISH which I also discussed with a Blades fan (my son) who also reckoned there was absolutely no blame on Grimshaw..
 
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Thatseasider said:
I can remember two more flaps from corners off the top of my head yesterday.

Weren’t there rumours of a training ground bust up between Grimmy and Appleton from a couple of ITKs
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I didn't see anything that had me overly worried to the levels of past games 🤷

Apparently there was according to those rumours.

Also, (and I posted this on here at the time, I don’t get info or claim to be itk or whatever) I got told by a mate at work, who has a Blackpool taxi job too, who had one of the physios in it in early summer, who said that grimmy made Appleton strip at the training ground about the tattoo issue at that time, to prove he didn't have one. All funny and jokey but I wonder if that was the start of his dislike, embarrassing him. Probably just taken as banter though.

Probably more likely when he told him to f off. But how did that come about, it may be poor from grimmy but he obviously never really rated him.
 
Thatseasider said:
I can remember two more flaps from corners off the top of my head yesterday.

Weren’t there rumours of a training ground bust up between Grimmy and Appleton from a couple of ITKs
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Why don’t you post some videos, so that we can all see what you are talking about?

JJpool said:
I didn't see anything that had me overly worried to the levels of past games 🤷

Apparently there was according to those rumours.

Also, (and I posted this on here at the time, I don’t get info or claim to be itk or whatever) I got told by a mate at work, who has a Blackpool taxi job too, who had one of the physios in it in early summer, who said that grimmy made Appleton strip at the training ground about the tattoo issue at that time, to prove he didn't have one. All funny and jokey but I wonder if that was the start of his dislike, embarrassing him. Probably just taken as banter though.

Probably more likely when he told him to f off. But how did that come about, it may be poor from grimmy but he obviously never really rated him.
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😂

I think your Taxi driving mate got the wrong Grimmy 😂😂😂
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Why don’t you post some videos, so that we can all see what you are talking about?


😂

I think your Taxi driving mate got the wrong Grimmy 😂😂😂
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No reason not to believe him as he's not even a pool fan. At the time I thought it doesn't sound like Grimmy, as he seems quiet. But it's one thing being on camera for interviews... another within a group of players on a training ground.

Also if he's got it in him to tell him to f off.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Why don’t you post some videos, so that we can all see what you are talking about?
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Buy a TTV pass and put yourself through the full 90 minutes again. Tell me he’s solid from crosses after that? Time stamp them for me would you chum so I don’t have to waste my time. 👍
 
JJpool said:
No reason not to believe him as he's not even a pool fan. At the time I thought it doesn't sound like Grimmy, as he seems quiet. But it's one thing being on camera for interviews... another within a group of players on a training ground.

Also if he's got it in him to tell him to f off.
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It’s not a case of not believing him… He’s just got his wires crossed.

The incident with Appleton stripping off happened at the Armfield Club, not the train g ground.
 
Thatseasider said:
Buy a TTV pass and put yourself through the full 90 minutes again. Tell me he’s solid from crosses after that? Time stamp them for me would you chum so I don’t have to waste my time. 👍
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Both keepers are statistically poor at dealing with crosses. Though I’ve no particular interest in trawling through hours of ttv coverage on your behalf..

I’ll assume you’re just making stuff up, until you prove otherwise.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Both keepers are statistically poor at dealing with crosses. Though I’ve no particular interest in trawling through hours of ttv coverage on your behalf..

I’ll assume you’re just making stuff up, until you prove otherwise.
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You’re what I imagine happens when you order Phil from Wish.

Not quiet as good, funny, interesting, punchy or entertaining just a tad strange and disappointing. 😂
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s not a case of not believing him… He’s just got his wires crossed.

The incident with Appleton stripping off happened at the Armfield Club, not the train g ground.
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I know all about the stripping off at the Armfield, trying to remember back but pretty sure I asked about that and said about the known stripping off.

Said it was the goalkeeper Grimshaw on the TG.
 
JJpool said:
I know all about the stripping off at the Armfield, trying to remember back but pretty sure I asked about that and said about the known stripping off.

Said it was the goalkeeper Grimshaw on the TG.
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Like I said, he’s got his wires crossed ffs…

Wrong Grimshaw like I said !!

Chinese whispers … etc..
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I suppose this debate will rattle on and on….

Right now, Appletine favours Maxwell, just like Critchley did for a good deal of his tenure. There’s sound logic in his reasoning and so maybe it’s time to stop bitching and moaning?
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We’ve moved away from polishing our own talent with the aim of a big player sale in favour of a keeper already well past his prime. Add in some very overbearing managerial commentary and the lad is probably already dead set on the earliest exit possible from Appletons regime. The whole situation has been handled in a ham fisted amateurish way against a backdrop of poor performances and poor results.
 
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We’ve moved away from polishing our own talent with the aim of a big player sale in favour of a keeper already well past his prime. Add in some very overbearing managerial commentary and the lad is probably already dead set on the earliest exit possible from Appletons regime. The whole situation has been handled in a ham fisted amateurish way against a backdrop of poor performances and poor results.
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We haven’t moved away from anything. That’s just more dribble from fans who have gone all smacked arse because Appleton isn’t picking who they think he should.

I was calling for a return for Maxwell for a few weeks before Grimshaw was replaced (as were others) … It was obvious we lacked experience and organisation and we improved as a result.

If Grimshaw can’t handle the cut and thrust of needing to stamp his authority on the game and secure his place with his actions rather than his gob, then he’s never going to make it in any case.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Like I said, he’s got his wires crossed ffs…

Wrong Grimshaw like I said !!

Chinese whispers … etc..
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Or it happened after the Armfield and they all knew about that and he did it for a laugh amongst the players.

Not sure a physio knows the name of someone from the Armfield. Also was adamant was at the TG.

I can't remember exactly what he told me now, but I questioned it at the time and said about potential mix up.

Either way, Appleton returned the favour and stripped Grimshaw.....of his place....
 
JJpool said:
Or it happened after the Armfield and they all knew about that and he did it for a laugh amongst the players.

Not sure a physio knows the name of someone from the Armfield. Also was adamant was at the TG.

I can't remember exactly what he told me now, but I questioned it at the time and said about potential mix up.

Either way, Appleton returned the favour and stripped Grimshaw.....of his place....
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Jesus Christ… Is there anything you don’t argue about..😂

The bloke who asked him to undress at the Armfield is called Grimmy (Grimshaw)… Do I need to make it any clearer for you !?

Like I said… it’s clearly a case of Chinese Whispers and the message getting confused (understandably so given the name) ..

Let’s face it.. even if the players had have done it, which they haven’t, Dan Grimshaw is the last person who would be leading the joke…
 
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