Millwall v Blackpool Official Matchday Thread 17.09.22

Right!

John Stephenson - OUT!
Michael Appleton - OUT!
Ben Mansford - OUT!
Not saying you're wrong but it just goes to show that it's a very lonely place as the owner of a football club.

If he gets rid of those three then he all of a sudden has to get the replacements right and let's not forget that SS is still new to all of this football malarky.

I don't envy him.
 
Bowler money?
If he was prepared to spend either Bowler or Critchley money, we would have had a better transfer window. I think it’s time Sadler made a statement of intention and told us exactly what’s going on. I understand about business confidentiality but there are dome things we should be told. That is besides being told all the prices are being increased, apparently anything else is f*** all to do with us.🤬
 
Not saying you're wrong but it just goes to show that it's a very lonely place as the owner of a football club.

If he gets rid of those three then he all of a sudden has to get the replacements right and let's not forget that SS is still new to all of this football malarky.

I don't envy him.
I know I'm being post-match pissed off. But trying to think clearly, none of those men have covered themselves in glory.
 
Reckon Appleton just convinces people that because he looks like a thug and has a reputation for being one - then as a manager he'll motivate the players, they'll be scared and work hard ... and results will come. Wasn't convinced the first tine he came and legged it, and it's turning to rat shit already. 4 years - Christ were we that desperate? Looking like a total fuck up. Hope I'm proved wrong.
 
Don't accept that. We had enough to do something across 180 mins. There's no excuse for the players performance on Wednesday and that formation today.

I've seen us lose enough games over 40+ years to take it on the chin, but not when it's self inflicted.
I agree, we looked like we had either no game plan or a bad one. But people are saying that the players aren't good enough and average Championship players cost 15000 a week. We need an exceptional manager on an upward career path, don't think an average one plodding along will make our business model work.
 
Critchley made our defence play well. Boring but well.
its kind of what you want your defence to be boring and organised, we are literally all over the place at the moment. Marv doesnt seem to have any confidence, even Grimmy looks a bit shaky at the moment. Husband came in and did what he normally does, but like with the forwards at Rotherham, him and Thomson were getting in each others way at times, I couldn't tell which one was playing in defence and which one as a wingback and that comes down to preparation.
 
Posted this in the "so then after 10 games thread" but figured it's worth discussion here as well:

07/08 - 12 PTS:
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09/10 - 16 PTS:
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21/22 - 12 PTS:
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THIS SEASON - 11 PTS:
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Not that horrific of a start really in context, I think some of this reaction is definitely overstated and its as if people haven't watched football their entire lives and a season isn't defined by the first 10 games. Let's give Appleton and the lads a little more time shall we? There is enough quality at times to suggest with returning players we should be alright, I agree though that a decent January is essential to see us through till the end of the season.
 
I'm going to get slaughtered for this but I am probably the only Blackpool supporter who was totally underwhelmed when Sadler bought the club. I didn't think he had thought it through and didn't really have the financial clout behind him to progress the club on and off the field. Anyone was going to be better that the cretins we had owning the club previously and whilst I applaud his efforts and financial input I just don't think he is getting what he thought he might out of it. I think we needed someone who was football orientated, someone who hadn't been a supporter from a young age. Someone who had lots of money to be able to put us in the Championship and allow us to compete financially.

If Sadler can't compete financially and we only really have a decent league 1 budget then we need to know, because we will never push on if we yo yo between the 2 leagues and we also kana how difficult it is to get out of League one once you are in it.

I [robably sound ungrateful, I'm not, it is much better off the field but there are some glaring mistakes being made, particularly around the hiring of managers and then the budget for players.

Something has been wrong since January this year, I can't say what it is, but there is something. This is Blackpool FC nothing ever goes how you want it, but I get the feeling that a bad next few weeks will see us manageress and floundering to find a manager that is any use.

I'm off to sit in my fallout shelter!!
I understand you but I disagree with you. A Blackpool fan is precisely what we needed after the scum family. His heart's in the right pace so that anchors him. Everything else: the business side the players, agents, managers on the merry-go-round, that he has to learn. He chose Mansford as his CEO. I'm now starting to wonder. I'm tending towards the old-fashioned manager. Dare I say the H word?
 
I was prepared to give Appleton a second chance and to judge him by the new year, yes, we have suffered more than most with injuries but the last few performances have been very poor, tactics, team selection, substitutes have been flawed in my opinion, blame must also be pointed at Ben Mansford for the shambolic transfer window, the clock is ticking and our next few games are all very tough, i sadly fear the worst, probably bottom 4 by Christmas, i hope not but not looking promising. feeling let down.
 
I think the club/SS will look back eventually at the mistakes that anyone would make, like the Grayson thing etc, but in particular that as great an idea as a football CEO type person is, that Mansford is one such error. He’s said a different thing every time he’s opened his gob and really is just the President of his own fan club.
The appointment of Apples on a 4 year deal had his fingerprints all over it.
 
I think the club/SS will look back eventually at the mistakes that anyone would make, like the Grayson thing etc, but in particular that as great an idea as a football CEO type person is, that Mansford is one such error. He’s said a different thing every time he’s opened his gob and really is just the President of his own fan club.
The appointment of Apples on a 4 year deal had his fingerprints all over it.
To be contrary though, Sadler can't be the trad Chairman 'cos he's not here. So, a CEO it has to be. My concern is that Mansford isn't the right man.
 
Posted this in the "so then after 10 games thread" but figured it's worth discussion here as well:

07/08 - 12 PTS:
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21/22 - 12 PTS:
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Not that horrific of a start really in context, I think some of this reaction is definitely overstated and its as if people haven't watched football their entire lives and a season isn't defined by the first 10 games. Let's give Appleton and the lads a little more time shall we? There is enough quality at times to suggest with returning players we should be alright, I agree though that a decent January is essential to see us through till the end of the season.
Yes context is useful and I agree with much of what you say though I would add that the quality needs to be more consistent than ‘at times’. I think many of us were hoping for us to kick on after a relatively comfortable finish last season. However I think the reality that is catching up with everyone, club and supporters, is that in reality this is a rebuild. New manager, new tactics, several new players. That will always take some time to settle, but one thing I believe is crucial and missing is leadership. It is severely lacking on the pitch and the manager seems to watch on like it’s some sort of experiment. I don’t mind losing when the opposition are genuinely better but I want to see passion from my team and I’m not seeing a lot of that and that has to come from the coaching staff.

I’m not in panic or frenzy mode, but I am concerned. We need a leader on the pitch and some more consistent performances across the park.
 
When I heard SS was buying the club after looking at his background I was quite excited, I really thought once we had Championship football (within 3 years we were told and achieved in 2 👍) that SS would be using his Asian contacts to get someone in with real money.

Unfortunately this doesn't look like it will ever happen and now I am waiting for SS to bail out and I don't think I will be waiting too long reading between the lines and hearing snippets here and there 😢
 
I'm not interested in what happened years ago. That's history and doesn't matter now. Likewise we're at where we're at with injuries and stuck with them so no use keep flagging those up.
What matters is only that we lost again today. No points. Further down the league. Only two shots on target.
I do actually believe we have enough players who can compete in the Championship but to do it you need self belief and play with confidence and indeed a bit of arrogance if you're going to get results on a regular basis.
I think MA has taken any self belief away from much of the squad with his tactics and I'm very worried that some of the players are already beginning to see that too. I don't think that the manager can cut it at this level and you can tell by the way that some of our players who were at the top of their game last season are playing now that they know things in the club are not right.
Success breeds success and we need to get on to a positive roll very quickly before it's too late. If the club is to continue the journey that SS has planned both on and off the pitch then we must NOT be relegated.
 
I'm not interested in what happened years ago. That's history and doesn't matter now. Likewise we're at where we're at with injuries and stuck with them so no use keep flagging those up.
What matters is only that we lost again today. No points. Further down the league. Only two shots on target.
I do actually believe we have enough players who can compete in the Championship but to do it you need self belief and play with confidence and indeed a bit of arrogance if you're going to get results on a regular basis.
I think MA has taken any self belief away from much of the squad with his tactics and I'm very worried that some of the players are already beginning to see that too. I don't think that the manager can cut it at this level and you can tell by the way that some of our players who were at the top of their game last season are playing now that they know things in the club are not right.
Success breeds success and we need to get on to a positive roll very quickly before it's too late. If the club is to continue the journey that SS has planned both on and off the pitch then we must NOT be relegated.
I do believe with a good team morale even the most ‘average’ team can go on a good run. Fingers crossed it comes after the break
 
Things certainly aren't as bad as some make out and I am definitely not one of those that are already calling for Appleton Out but what I will never understand is why on earth they gave an out of work league one manager a four year contract in the Championship. Because of that though, we are all going to have to show a lot more patience. It is going to take an awful lot to change the manager. Hopefully things will come good!
 
Yes context is useful and I agree with much of what you say though I would add that the quality needs to be more consistent than ‘at times’. I think many of us were hoping for us to kick on after a relatively comfortable finish last season. However I think the reality that is catching up with everyone, club and supporters, is that in reality this is a rebuild. New manager, new tactics, several new players. That will always take some time to settle, but one thing I believe is crucial and missing is leadership. It is severely lacking on the pitch and the manager seems to watch on like it’s some sort of experiment. I don’t mind losing when the opposition are genuinely better but I want to see passion from my team and I’m not seeing a lot of that and that has to come from the coaching staff.

I’m not in panic or frenzy mode, but I am concerned. We need a leader on the pitch and some more consistent performances across the park.
We're definitely in agreement, absolutely no denying some of the issues at the minute - I just think the reaction is over the top as the start actually hasn't been as poor as it seems, especially compared to prior seasons. We are no poorer than we were under Critchley at times, he was almost untouchable though last season in terms of fan opinion.

From now till January we'll pick up enough points, majority of the games have been fine margins. A big January transfer window looms though, hopefully we see with more time to prepare the Critchley and Bowler money reinvested properly.
 
Things certainly aren't as bad as some make out and I am definitely not one of those that are already calling for Appleton Out but what I will never understand is why on earth they gave an out of work league one manager a four year contract in the Championship. Because of that though, we are all going to have to show a lot more patience. It is going to take an awful lot to change the manager. Hopefully things will come good!
I did the 'stand by your man' stuff with Critchley. I don't think Appleton's got a clue how to train or galvanise this team.
 
Fi
I'm going to get slaughtered for this but I am probably the only Blackpool supporter who was totally underwhelmed when Sadler bought the club. I didn't think he had thought it through and didn't really have the financial clout behind him to progress the club on and off the field. Anyone was going to be better that the cretins we had owning the club previously and whilst I applaud his efforts and financial input I just don't think he is getting what he thought he might out of it. I think we needed someone who was football orientated, someone who hadn't been a supporter from a young age. Someone who had lots of money to be able to put us in the Championship and allow us to compete financially.

If Sadler can't compete financially and we only really have a decent league 1 budget then we need to know, because we will never push on if we yo yo between the 2 leagues and we also kana how difficult it is to get out of League one once you are in it.

I [robably sound ungrateful, I'm not, it is much better off the field but there are some glaring mistakes being made, particularly around the hiring of managers and then the budget for players.

Something has been wrong since January this year, I can't say what it is, but there is something. This is Blackpool FC nothing ever goes how you want it, but I get the feeling that a bad next few weeks will see us manageress and floundering to find a manager that is any use.

I'm off to sit in my fallout shelter!!
Fair points that you make. Just a thought:
If an owner doesn't have sufficient funds of his own to push the playing side of a club forward, why not invite other investors onto the board?
Even the inward looking family (whose name I won't use) did just that and it was the start of our glory years.
Capital projects are great for improving the clubs infrastructure; however, the number one priority for all concerned, must surely be keeping the team in Championship.
 
Changing the manager always leads to a revamp of the squad to allow the manager to bring in his own men. Not sure we have improved the squad with the signings but some look promising but are loans or ones for the future.
Think loaning out both Tharme and Casey was a mistake, but both are getting regular game time in L1 but can they cut in in Championship?
We keep buying full backs and midfielders but a prolific forward should be top of the list
 
I actually thought Tharme looked decent and ready to play for us. Was a bit gutted when he got loaned out - could be a useful target man too
 
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If he was prepared to spend either Bowler or Critchley money, we would have had a better transfer window. I think it’s time Sadler made a statement of intention and told us exactly what’s going on. I understand about business confidentiality but there are dome things we should be told. That is besides being told all the prices are being increased, apparently anything else is f*** all to do with us.🤬
No time to spend Bowler money

The deal went through at last minute
 
Fi

Fair points that you make. Just a thought:
If an owner doesn't have sufficient funds of his own to push the playing side of a club forward, why not invite other investors onto the board?
Even the inward looking family (whose name I won't use) did just that and it was the start of our glory years.
Capital projects are great for improving the clubs infrastructure; however, the number one priority for all concerned, must surely be keeping the team in Championship.
Who would want to invest in BFC ?

Club loses money .

What sort of investment opportunity is it exactly ?

Yes you could gamble and try to get into the prem but it’s high risk .

Other clubs have done it and are now in league 1
 
Who would want to invest in BFC ?

Club loses money .

What sort of investment opportunity is it exactly ?

Yes you could gamble and try to get into the prem but it’s high risk .

Other clubs have done it and are now in league 1
SS lives in a big, business world, surely someone would want to invest in a championship club with a famous history?
Maybe he's tried but we'll never know. It's just one way of investing more into the playing side of the business.
 
The Bowler / Critchley millions are somewhat irrelevant as players costing over a million are going to be on bigger wages than our budget will allow. Im already worried that Wright looks like the next Dale. We have more players out on loan, I suspect, than ever before because they are either not good enough or not ready yet for Championship football. But despiteso much negativity the situation is a damn site better than it was not that long ago when I was visiting garden centres on a Saturday afternoon!!! UTMP!!
 
I haven't got a problem with MA, he isn't the problem. If he can get his players back fit and keep them fit we will start to do much better, but he hasn't been supported in the transfer market and there are only a certain number of players who can play the way he wants his teams to play. He needs the season because believe me, the alternatives will be worse. (Unless we get Ollie & Thommo of course! 😉 )
 
I haven't got a problem with MA, he isn't the problem. If he can get his players back fit and keep them fit we will start to do much better, but he hasn't been supported in the transfer market and there are only a certain number of players who can play the way he wants his teams to play. He needs the season because believe me, the alternatives will be worse. (Unless we get Ollie & Thommo of course! 😉 )
You're partly convincing me. Then again, there's the H word.
 
Reckon Appleton just convinces people that because he looks like a thug and has a reputation for being one - then as a manager he'll motivate the players, they'll be scared and work hard ... and results will come. Wasn't convinced the first tine he came and legged it, and it's turning to rat shit already. 4 years - Christ were we that desperate? Looking like a total fuck up. Hope I'm proved wrong.
Very curt but not unreasonable.
 
I'm going to get slaughtered for this but I am probably the only Blackpool supporter who was totally underwhelmed when Sadler bought the club. I didn't think he had thought it through and didn't really have the financial clout behind him to progress the club on and off the field. Anyone was going to be better that the cretins we had owning the club previously and whilst I applaud his efforts and financial input I just don't think he is getting what he thought he might out of it. I think we needed someone who was football orientated, someone who hadn't been a supporter from a young age. Someone who had lots of money to be able to put us in the Championship and allow us to compete financially.

If Sadler can't compete financially and we only really have a decent league 1 budget then we need to know, because we will never push on if we yo yo between the 2 leagues and we also kana how difficult it is to get out of League one once you are in it.

I [robably sound ungrateful, I'm not, it is much better off the field but there are some glaring mistakes being made, particularly around the hiring of managers and then the budget for players.

Something has been wrong since January this year, I can't say what it is, but there is something. This is Blackpool FC nothing ever goes how you want it, but I get the feeling that a bad next few weeks will see us manageress and floundering to find a manager that is any use.

I'm off to sit in my fallout shelter!!
Unfortunately, I virtually agree word for word. Im really grateful, but something just doesn't feel right. As for the Manager, I don't think Simon could get rid of him even if he wanted to due to that ludicrous 4 year contract.

I genuinely hope Im proved wrong.
 
Unfortunately, I virtually agree word for word. Im really grateful, but something just doesn't feel right. As for the Manager, I don't think Simon could get rid of him even if he wanted to due to that ludicrous 4 year contract.

I genuinely hope Im proved wrong.
See other pro-Sadler posts. It's not him, honest. He's the right man at the right time. I'm absolutely convinced. Is his CEO the right man? Jury's out.
 
See other pro-Sadler posts. It's not him, honest. He's the right man at the right time. I'm absolutely convinced. Is his CEO the right man? Jury's out.
I'm not saying he's right or wrong, I'm just saying is he the owner to drive us forward on the pitch? He hasn't got a bottomless pit of money and I would love to know how he really feels about what he has done. Put any of us with his money in the same situation. I wouldn't have done it in the first place but he has and surely he must be thinking WTF have I done? That's not a criticism, it's just an observation.
 
Some ridiculous posts on here again as you come to expect when we lose. We’re a work in progress with a young side who have a number of injuries. Against Rotherham we were woeful but today, there were periods when we played well, with some excellent passing. The build up play to the goal was excellent. There were other periods when we were poor, but I saw signs today which showed me that the team have a lot of potential - we need to give the manager and team time. Unfortunately, some fans can’t/won’t do that! Thank god some of you negative fuckers aren’t in charge of the club.
 
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