1966_and_all_that
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The Opposition debate on Boris Johnson's attacks on Parliamentary standards has just started and it's a very well argued piece. Catch it if you can.
Partygate Debate
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Scaramanga
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Boooooooooooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.
poolseasider
Well-known member
No thanks couldn't give a toss about Cake-Gate far more pressing issues for our country at mo.
Lytham_fy8
Well-known member
What, than the person leading the country being a lying criminal? I would have thought this was exactly the time we'd need some moral strength in our leaders.
Lytham_fy8
Well-known member
And that's how we get the leaders we get.
They've probably got the same attitude in Russia.
1966_and_all_that
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And there we have it. Plenty of noise to make themselves but not prepared to listen.
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rockontommy
Guest
The Opposition can discuss things all they like but at no point have offered any sort of pragmatism around Covid. Most fair-minded people know this which is why fatty gets off the hook. The same rules which Labour now seem to find so horrid; they asked for. It's time for the party to stop being babies about everything and start actually offering something up themselves. Then these transgressions would be taken more seriously but right now there is no appetite for change as people will always plump for doers over moaners, even if what's being done is sub-optimal.
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Scaramanga
Guest
When will they understand this
, they say I’m sticking my fingers in my ears but fuck me this lot will not accept they are as bad as each other. Standard boring Boris bashing. The hurt runs deep with this lot on here.
poolseasider
Well-known member
I more interested in the cost of living and how it affects me and my family not some idiots who work together having cake and wine.
In two years time it will be what's in my pocket and standard of living which will get my X in the box not a load of civil servants who have had a get together 4 years previous.
1966_and_all_that
Well-known member
The same rules which Labour now seem to find so horrid; they asked for.
WIth respect, I think you are misunderstanding Labour's position. Labour supported the Government's Covid rules. What is at stake here is Boris Johnson's breaking of those rules and denying that anybody else working in Downing Street was also breaking those rules. And, that he did that in Parliament, thereby breaking the convention of treating the House with honour and respect.
WIth respect, I think you are misunderstanding Labour's position. Labour supported the Government's Covid rules. What is at stake here is Boris Johnson's breaking of those rules and denying that anybody else working in Downing Street was also breaking those rules. And, that he did that in Parliament, thereby breaking the convention of treating the House with honour and respect.
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Scaramanga
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They all broke the rules all the way through, even krankie has just been pulled up on here ridiculous mask wearing mandate recently. Move on ffs, it’s getting more coverage on the news channels than the current shite predicament we find ourselves in.
1966_and_all_that
Well-known member
If you watch the debate you will find MPs on both side explaining why this matter is as important as these other issues that posters want to concentrate on.
ElBurroSinNombre
Well-known member
There are not many MPs who have a long track record of dishonesty that is in the public domain like Johnson does.When will they understand this
Therefore, it is incorrect to say that 'they are all as bad as each other' although that is what Johnson would like you to think.
If track records are anything to go by, Johnson is considerably worse than any previous PM and is now the first one to have broken the law whilst in office.
As for real issues, I agree they are more important than the rather trivial breaking of the law that has occurred in Downing Street. However, the reason why this issue won't flush is exactly because Johnson has repeatedly lied about it. Truth still has a value and as he has lied in the HoP he will have to go, confidence in our democracy depends on the honesty of ministers at the dispatch box. The fact that he won't leave when caught red handed is because he is an entitled narcissist and tells you a lot about the English class system.
1966_and_all_that
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The honour of MPs behaviour in Parliament is very important. Parliament must be seen to rule with honour and integrity. There is no 'moving on' from that. If it is left in this state, the public contempt for Parliament will grow and the whole of our democracy and the rule of law face the risk of becoming overpowered by populist and autocratic extremists.
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Scaramanga
Guest
Boooooooooriiiiiiing
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rockontommy
Guest
The Labour Party remind me of the bitchy colleague who is permanently on the sidelines stirring up shit and moaning about the kettle being on the blink while the proper work is being done by others who are getting on with it. They need to knuckle down and get their own house in order really but won't because it's easier to point the finger and make excuses.When will they understand this
1966_and_all_that
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This is rather juvenile sneering isn't it?
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Scaramanga
Guest
Even my Mrs is fed up with it all now and she’s a Lefty. Turns the news over when they start going on about it again.
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Scaramanga
Guest
About as juvenile as you lot keep going on about it., Labour didn’t listen last time and Boris got an 80 seat majority. The silent majority are absolutely cured of it all.
1966_and_all_that
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If that is your opinion, so be it. As for today's debate, MPs on all sides are saying that it is an important matter. This is not something being argued by Labour alone.
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rockontommy
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Most people aren't arsed. If Keith could come up with a plan to make every person and family £2k richer each year, he'd be in like Flynn. It really is that simple.
ElBurroSinNombre
Well-known member
You are so bored with it that you have made more contributions to a thread about the debate than anyone else except 1966.
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Scaramanga
Guest
Because I’m sick to my back teeth of it all, move on ffs.
ElBurroSinNombre
Well-known member
We can't move on because it appears that the PM has lied to parliament at the dispatch box. This is something a PM cannot do however trivial it might seem to you. If our unwritten constitution means anything then this means he has to resign.
1966_and_all_that
Well-known member
Cured of what, the need for Parliament to be an honourable chamber and for our leaders to act with integrity? If the PM has to ask the public - through Parliament - for emergency powers to send our troops to war or to impose emergency taxation in times of economic crisis, shouldn't we expect that person to be morally unimpeachable? I think that all decent citizens would expect just that.
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Scaramanga
Guest
Move on ffs, can’t you see until Labour start trying to win voters over with policy instead of whining about wine and cake, this hypocrisy will keep coming back to bite them in the arse.
1966_and_all_that
Well-known member
Then I think you have a misguided opinion about most people.
1966_and_all_that
Well-known member
They are not being hypocritical and this is an important matter.
ElBurroSinNombre
Well-known member
You are deliberately missing the point (I think)
It's not about which rules he did or didn't break anymore (like all of the examples above).
It is about the fact that he lied about his rule breaking in parliament. You cannot do that and stay within our unwritten constitution. If you lie at the dispatch box you have to go and it appears that he has done that.
1966_and_all_that
Well-known member
Interestingly, because Johnson has dropped the amendment to the debate - which would have forced a three line whip for Tory MPs - many of those who have turned up to the House are quickly fleeing to the hills. That way, they avoid being accountable for either supporting or opposing the debate and, by extension, Johnson. It will probably now go through on the nod, meaning that Johnson will have another enquiry to look forward to.
Fatboy
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Think about it , all politicians are lying criminals according to some. I don’t trust any of them to be totally truthful and transparent!
Ruperthoop
Well-known member
I wish British politics could move on from this . Without doubt it was poor and very serious and history will also judge it as that. He has survived it but the big problem now is that not just the UK but also the western world are now facing some very serious concerns such as the little dictator whom is currently invading a sovereign country and is clearly indicating he is willing to use nuclear weapons against the west. Then there is the crisis coming involving the huge disparity in wealth which is going to have a devastating effect on millions of people, not just here. We need stability at this moment not more uncertainty.
1966_and_all_that
Well-known member
Just because some say all politicians are liars does not make it a fact or a basis for such an assertion. Even if it were true that there is less integrity than there might be, it is still worth aiming for our politics to be clean and of a moral high standard. Bear in mind, you and I are going to be ruled by them anyway so is it not worth holding them to a higher account? I think it is.
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1966_and_all_that
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Agree but we need that stability to be rooted in foundations of decency, honesty and integrity. We don't want to end up with leaders like Putin, Xi, Orban, Kim Jong-un or Lukashenko.
Edit: or, God forbid, Marine Le Pen.
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1966_and_all_that
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Parliamentary work involves the Government being held to account not simply across the floor of the House but, largely, through Parliamentary committees. These are staffed from across all parts of the House. For instance, the Public Accounts Committee is the body that holds the Government to account over its probity in managing public expenditure. Conventionally, the PAC is chaired by an Opposition MP. In terms of this thread, the Opposition motion is to have the Prime Minister's conduct in briefing the House on Partygate put under scrutiny by the Commons Select Committee on Privileges. This committee is comprised of seven members, is chaired by Labour's Chris Bryant but has a Tory majority.
1966_and_all_that
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Look, I'm not trying to win some pedantic argument against you and I know that some of my responses can sound patronising - unintentionally btw. However, I really do see this as being important. I also opened the thread because there were (maybe still are) some fascinating points being made from MPs across the House.
Macseasider
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Most people do care about this investigation. A few AVFTT Tory Boy bootlickers can skweem and skween and put their fingers in their ears all they like posting the same old shite over and over again but it remains a huge national issue and the media will not let it go. Unlucky.
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Scaramanga
Guest
Well as usual, you seem to have your fingers in your ears. classic
basilrobbie3
Well-known member
You really do look at life through a weird prism, don't you? The leader of the country is a proven liar and a man with no respect for the rule of law ; and yet you try to turn it into a debate about made up allegations levelled at a different set of people entirely.
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rockontommy
Guest
It does not impact the lives of most people who are busy getting on and trying to keep the wolf from the door. Nothing weird about that at all. In fact it's a very ordinary observation.
Curryman
Well-known member
How much parliamentary time has been consumed and will further be consumed by this enquiry, pm question time and every other opportunity that the opposition see a chance to resurface the tea and cakes questions, when such things as discussions on other important matters are being neglected as they don't have time to discuss them?
NB I don't condone what has happened.
NB I don't condone what has happened.
basilrobbie3
Well-known member
For Christ's sake Wilf, it is about a hell of a lot more than tea and cakes.
Wizaard
Well-known member
And that same liar will promise you the earth at the next election with big tax cuts in the budget prior, then renege on those promises straight away.
That's what you get with liars. Tell you what you want to hear, then do what suits them best.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I don’t know what it is about BJ…. He must have sone mystical powers or something. The more shit he gets himself into, the more I find myself rooting for him.
Watching the news today and the scene cuts from Serious Starmer speaking in parliament to Boris looking like an absolute prize **, smirking like a chimpanzee as usual, as he’s regaled with a Turban.
I’d have him as Prime Minister forever…..
Watching the news today and the scene cuts from Serious Starmer speaking in parliament to Boris looking like an absolute prize **, smirking like a chimpanzee as usual, as he’s regaled with a Turban.
I’d have him as Prime Minister forever…..
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rockontommy
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How dare you take an irreverent view on something so serious. FOR CHRIST'S SAKEI don’t know what it is about BJ…. He must have sone mystical powers or something. The more shit he gets himself into, the more I find myself rooting for him.
Watching the news today and the scene cuts from Serious Starmer speaking in parliament to Boris looking like an absolute prize **, smirking like a chimpanzee as usual, as he’s regaled with a Turban.
I’d have him as Prime Minister forever…..
Wizaard
Well-known member
I've seen my Dad twice in two years, to the point where he has deteriorated that badly, he doesn't know who I am. Meanwhile the man who set the law that stopped me seeing him broke it regularly and gratuitously.
He's a disgrace to the office. End of.
poolseasider
Well-known member
Nope it will be the here and now that's why Blair got my X three times I did OK under him not a load of baloney in a parties manifesto.
Wizaard
Well-known member
So you'll buy the pre election bribe that will undoubtedly be on the way, ignoring the lack of any effort to mitigate the current exponential growth in utility bills for starters?
EagleDay
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And? I've yet to see any of 'em even attempt to keep most of their promises.