Partygate Debate

Wizaard said:
You're perpetuating the disgraceful slur by asking for proof she didn't do it deliberately, obviously.
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Iā€™m not perpetuating anything, you are blaming ,me for something the media accused someone of, like I said earlier, you lot are incapable of pointing the finger at your own when required. Instead you have decided to go after me, deflection tactics.
 
Scaramanga said:
Iā€™m not perpetuating anything, you are blaming ,me for something the media accused someone of, like I said earlier, you lot are incapable of pointing the finger at your own when required. Instead you have decided to go after me, deflection tactics.
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There's nothing to point a finger at for the hundredth time.

It might be guilty in the Daily Mail, but not according to the police, who tend to have a better understanding of the law than Tory journos.
 
Wizaard said:
There's nothing to point a finger at for the hundredth time.

It might be guilty in the Daily Mail, but not according to the police, who tend to have a better understanding of the law than Tory journos.
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Tory journos, funk me you lot are mental, they have spent the last 2 years trying to stitch Boris up. The media are filth, when are you going to wake up.
 
Scaramanga said:
Tory journos, funk me you lot are mental, they have spent the last 2 years trying to stitch Boris up. The media are filth, when are you going to wake up.
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Boris is more than capable of stitching himself up and has succeeded.

Are you saying the Daily Mail isn't a supporter of the Tory Party?
 
Scaramanga said:
Well I suppose you have proof ? Or is it just another mad Lefty accusation as they donā€™t post things that suit your narrative.
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In the real world, if you make an accusation, you provide proof.

It's for the accuser to make good on the allegation.

The accused doesn't have to do anything.
 
Wizaard said:
In the real world, if you make an accusation, you provide proof.

It's for the accuser to make good on the allegation.

The accused doesn't have to do anything.
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You accused the mail of being a Tory supporting rag, proof ?
 
EPM46 said:
You donā€™t half post some rubbish on here. If you donā€™t read newsPAPERS, you clearly read them online!
Are you Rees Mogg in disguise?
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Pointless post, utter rubbish, as you say.
 
Wizaard said:
Are you seriously saying the Mail isn't a Tory paper?
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No , you are saying it is and as such you said an accuser must provide proof. Iā€™ll wait, and add the misogynistic quote I said while your at it.
 
Old_Laytonian said:
I voted Conservative ( next time I wonā€™t vote at all) but stop comparing what Labour did in lockdown . This is whether Johnson ( I refuse to call him the matey ā€œBorisā€) lied or misled Parliament which he did.
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It's important to vote. Tactically, I'd rather you didn't vote than vote Tory. In principle, I'd rather you voted Tory than didn't vote.
 
Labour said "Legs Rayner definitely not at Keirs party" now sorry "made a mistake she was there". We need to accept that in all parties MP's avoid the truth so lets accept that, but it could be worse look at the States and Hunters Laptop!!
 
Looking at the comments on here is much like trying to describe the colour red or blue to a blind person, it's pretty impossible. Much like trying to entice a party follower to see all sides of an argument. It's great being a fence sitter and being able to see all sides in an argument and occasionally utter the truth from both sides, if it can be found.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I'm just putting it out because this is a discussion forum. I'm sure others will decide for themselves what they want to think.
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I was just putting it out there also mate. You come across as a little obsessed and give the impression that every waking hour that isnā€™t under a Labour Gobt must be absolute torture for you. All just my opinion.

Also most people just self justify so if they hate Bojo and he has a lager and some people are about itā€™s a Party, if Starmer does similar but theyā€™re a Labour supporter itā€™s a work meeting. A Tory would self justify the opposite way and so it goes round and round BUT all weā€™ve all got is one vote every 5 yearsā€¦.and thatā€™s it.

Do you think you will have influenced a single person on here to change their vote at next GE?ā€¦ā€¦no, I donā€™t either
 
Curryman said:
Looking at the comments on here is much like trying to describe the colour red or blue to a blind person, it's pretty impossible. Much like trying to entice a party follower to see all sides of an argument. It's great being a fence sitter and being able to see all sides in an argument and occasionally utter the truth from both sides, if it can be found.
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The truth is that almost everyone who couldn't work from home probably did something like this at some time over the year or so when the rules were in place, and I think anyone who was objective understands that the marginal risk when you were spending your working day with these people anyway was virtually zero and whether it was strictly within the rules or not a bit of common sense needs to be applied.

What's significant about the latest twist is that Starmer has spent months trying to make political capital out of the issue, but is trying to write off complaints about his own, more serious, breaches of the rules as mud-slinging, so however you slice it, massive hypocrisy.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I was just putting it out there also mate. You come across as a little obsessed and give the impression that every waking hour that isnā€™t under a Labour Gobt must be absolute torture for you. All just my opinion.

Also most people just self justify so if they hate Bojo and he has a lager and some people are about itā€™s a Party, if Starmer does similar but theyā€™re a Labour supporter itā€™s a work meeting. A Tory would self justify the opposite way and so it goes round and round BUT all weā€™ve all got is one vote every 5 yearsā€¦.and thatā€™s it.

Do you think you will have influenced a single person on here to change their vote at next GE?ā€¦ā€¦no, I donā€™t either
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I like to understand why people think the way they do. Also, I vote whenever democracy occurs: General Elections (3 in the last seven years), by-elections, County elections, Borough elections, PCC elections, (formerly) EU Parliamentary elections, referendums (when called). There's a lot of democracy about.
 
Lost Seasider said:
What's significant about the latest twist is that Starmer has spent months trying to make political capital out of the issue, but is trying to write off complaints about his own, more serious, breaches of the rules as mud-slinging, so however you slice it, massive hypocrisy.
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Correct on all counts. It's not what Starmer did, it's the fact that he lied about it as well as his sanctimonious claims that the PM and Chancellor should have resigned when put under investigation. Now, we know beergate was pre-planned and that people who were not working attended, it's clear this is a matter of principle. In accordance with Starmer's own rule book, he is required to resign.
 
As I said, the mote and the beam. Of course all parties could just apologise for criminalising perfectly ordinary human behaviour. Would be a lot easier, no?
 
What baffles my head in all this, people are more bothered about political points or who asked who to resign or who planned what or how much the curry was?

All this whilst these same people including Starmer who wanted more lockdowns and didnā€™t want restrictions lifting, stopped normal people going about their daily business, destroying livelihoods, education & and health under the banner of saving lives from a virus with an average age of deaths of 83 & 99% recovery rates.

All that, whilst they had parties.

Itā€™s mad to see peopleā€™s priorities.
 
Curryman said:
Looking at the comments on here is much like trying to describe the colour red or blue to a blind person, it's pretty impossible. Much like trying to entice a party follower to see all sides of an argument. It's great being a fence sitter and being able to see all sides in an argument and occasionally utter the truth from both sides, if it can be found.
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Most sensible post on here Wilf, thank god for that at last.

When you sit back and look at it without any political goggles on it is clear it is just political mud slinging by all parties fuelled by the media.

At the end of the day it's all bollocks. People in work, people running the country, opposition parties all doing work for the good of the country, working ridiculously long hours in having a drink and some food, Birthday cake, beer and Curry, call it what you want, is so small in the grand scheme of things. These things were all done by people who worked in the same building. They broke the law, they got find, and it looks like it will happen again now with Starmer and co.,

All it tells us is that politicians of all parties are generally right wallopers and the worst of it is they all lie about it when they get caught out. I'm surprised anyone's surprised. There is so much more going on politically that is a hundred times more important than this but it will keep rumbling on.

What is funny, in fact it isn't funny, it's quite sad and boring that there are so many on here who do exactly as Curryman has just pointed out, it's not debate it's a political obsession of supporting one party against another and no matter what happens it's jumped on and then blindly fought out between those who are so loyal to their party that they won't listen to anything from outside their thought process.

"It's great being a fence sitter and being able to see all sides in an argument and occasionally utter the truth from both sides, if it can be found."

Wilf, that's the best quote off this political forum since it started. I doff my cap.
 
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