People who still won't have a Covid Jab

Adams Kebab said:
You see this is brilliant and sums up the hypocritical viewpoint we now have because just imagine what your view wouldā€™ve been if ROT or Me or others had world have said that the vulnerable who weā€™ve been protecting should be executed or isolate in the past 15 months so the rest of us can just crack on.

But now itā€™s fine. Itā€™s borderline cult.
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ROT has said, seemingly seriously, that he/she/they doesn't care if there is a third wave or if the NHS collapses.

Both of these are offensive viewpoints and would cause thousands of unnecessary deaths and misery for millions whereas seasideone is clearly posting in jest.

Anyway I'll leave you to it, you are clearly an expert epidemiologist and seem to know more than the scientists about the vaccines and how they work. And of course you are also an expert social psychologist so I am sure you have work to do. I'm guessing it's a 4 so.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
ROT has said, seemingly seriously, that he/she/they doesn't care if there is a third wave or if the NHS collapses.

Both of these are offensive viewpoints and would cause thousands of unnecessary deaths and misery for millions whereas seasideone is clearly posting in jest.

Anyway I'll leave you to it, you are clearly an expert epidemiologist and seem to know more than the scientists about the vaccines and how they work. And of course you are also an expert social psychologist so I am sure you have work to do. I'm guessing it's a 4 so.
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Spot on - just got the DM to confirm it šŸ‘
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
ROT has said, seemingly seriously, that he/she/they doesn't care if there is a third wave or if the NHS collapses.

Both of these are offensive viewpoints and would cause thousands of unnecessary deaths and misery for millions whereas seasideone is clearly posting in jest.

Anyway I'll leave you to it, you are clearly an expert epidemiologist and seem to know more than the scientists about the vaccines and how they work. And of course you are also an expert social psychologist so I am sure you have work to do. I'm guessing it's a 4 so.
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Iā€™m not an expert, which bit isnā€™t true that Iā€™ve said as regarding the vaccines and the recovery rate is from the CMO.

Iā€™ve gone for 4 btw on the premise itā€™s VO down there, is that alright for you ā€œjestersā€... crazy funny guys you šŸ¤£
 
Adams Kebab said:
Iā€™m not an expert, which bit isnā€™t true that Iā€™ve said as regarding the vaccines and the recovery rate is from the CMO.

Iā€™ve gone for 4 btw on the premise itā€™s VO down there, is that alright for you ā€œjestersā€... crazy funny guys you šŸ¤£
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Itā€™s not VO see above, itā€™s the OK and S tag team šŸ‘
 
Tycho Brahe said:
People should not be forced, coerced or even cajoled to have carried out any medical intervention they do not want to have.
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Oh, Tycho. You are not being coerced or any other ā€œbullyingā€ aspect. You are avoiding a duty to helping your fellow human beings.
Some will view your stance as cowardly, lazy or selfish.
Please open you eyes. Do the right thing.
 
Tycho Brahe said:
Firstly there are millions of scientists, doctors and nurses who have opposed the current governments' and corporate mainstream media's 'scientific' narrative not just a few.

Other than that do you not think it might be a very slippery slope to not allow people freedom of choice when it comes to medicines?

Dangerous to hold a blind trust in authority in my opinion.
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There is none so blind as those who will not see.
 
seasideone said:
Number 4 wasnā€™t my choice, it was yours šŸ‘
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Mmmm noā€¦.

You wanted option 4, but you put a caveat that it had to be VO, sadly (for you) caveats are irrelevant.

They are now on the way for you, you never know - it could be the making of you šŸ‘
 
Wish I'd have started this thread. I thought getting jabbed up would be the bestest day of everyone's grey little lives. Clearly not.

Anyway, everyone can calm down now because I've changed my mind. I don't watch much telly but caught a bit this lunchtime. Lenny Henry was on and he was encouraging people of colour to get jabbed. Although I'm Caucasian, I am a keen leftie and eco nut so thought 'fuck it'. Show some solidarity with the brothers getting vaccinated for their communities.

āœŠšŸæ šŸ’‰šŸ’¦
 
rockontommy said:
Wish I'd have started this thread. I thought getting jabbed up would be the bestest day of everyone's grey little lives. Clearly not.

Anyway, everyone can calm down now because I've changed my mind. I don't watch much telly but caught a bit this lunchtime. Lenny Henry was on and he was encouraging people of colour to get jabbed. Although I'm Caucasian, I am a keen leftie and eco nut so thought 'fuck it'. Show some solidarity with the brothers getting vaccinated for their communities.

āœŠšŸæ šŸ’‰šŸ’¦
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Rubbish - you were just scared of option 4 šŸ‘
 
seasideone said:
Rubbish - you were just scared of option 4 šŸ‘
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What's option 4?

Anyway, my favourite bit of being vaccinated was when I got a sticker at the end. The dentist stopped giving me them years ago but he does let me use the crayons in the waiting area.
 
I'm all for everyone having a choice as to whether they have the Jab or not.
However, my thoughts are that if you don't have the Jab and then require hospital treatment if you catch the virus, you should have to pay.for your treatment instead of getting it free on the NHS.
 
SeasideMac said:
I'm all for everyone having a choice as to whether they have the Jab or not.
However, my thoughts are that if you don't have the Jab and then require hospital treatment if you catch the virus, you should have to pay.for your treatment instead of getting it free on the NHS.
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What about fat people, should they be given free treatment having neglected their health for decades? Or people who drink heavily? Or drivers who have an accident while speeding?
 
Bamber said:
What about fat people, should they be given free treatment having neglected their health for decades? Or people who drink heavily? Or drivers who have an accident while speeding?
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It's a great debate isn't it.
Why should we/the NHS pay for everyone who can't be arsed looking after themselves or who break the law etc..
Why should we/the NHS pay for covid treatment that could have been prevented?
 
Let's get Covid vaccine passports like a lot of other countries and f*** the ones who cannot be bothered
 
SeasideMac said:
It's a great debate isn't it.
Why should we/the NHS pay for everyone who can't be arsed looking after themselves or who break the law etc..
Why should we/the NHS pay for covid treatment that could have been prevented?
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Why not go the whole hog and screen everyone. If you have a family history of cancer make them pay for treatment if they get it.
"Sir the tests we've conducted show you're 5 times more like to get alzeimers than the average person, on this basis the NHS will not be covering you in the eventuality...."
Dangerous train of thought trying to pin blame for ill health.
 
Lost Seasider said:
120,000 excess deaths over the period, that figure doesn't care if they had a test or not.
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Excess deaths is the ONLY parameter that is valid and for some reason is never referred to on the news...you can test positive for covid and get hit by a bus and then be logged as a covid death.....or conversely you can desperately need cancer treatment and not get it because of covid and subsequently die...that will not be logged as dying because of covid even though it has played its part.

Excess deaths is the key number.
 
rockontommy said:
Wish I'd have started this thread. I thought getting jabbed up would be the bestest day of everyone's grey little lives. Clearly not.

Anyway, everyone can calm down now because I've changed my mind. I don't watch much telly but caught a bit this lunchtime. Lenny Henry was on and he was encouraging people of colour to get jabbed. Although I'm Caucasian, I am a keen leftie and eco nut so thought 'fuck it'. Show some solidarity with the brothers getting vaccinated for their communities.

āœŠšŸæ šŸ’‰šŸ’¦
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Youā€™ve sold out Tommy.

I am disappointed in you now.
 
SeasideMac said:
I'm all for everyone having a choice as to whether they have the Jab or not.
However, my thoughts are that if you don't have the Jab and then require hospital treatment if you catch the virus, you should have to pay.for your treatment instead of getting it free on the NHS.
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It would be an interesting challenge if the first part of Covid treatment in hospital was to have the vaccination jab.
So take the jab or we cannot really do anything for you.....
 
Shandypants said:
Why not go the whole hog and screen everyone. If you have a family history of cancer make them pay for treatment if they get it.
"Sir the tests we've conducted show you're 5 times more like to get alzeimers than the average person, on this basis the NHS will not be covering you in the eventuality...."
Dangerous train of thought trying to pin blame for ill health.
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Not suggesting pinning anything on ill health that cannot be avoided.
However, there are certain things we can avoid eg obesity or injuries caused by speeding or drink driving etc. Or even extreme cases of covid where intensive care hospital treatment is required due to someone refusing to have the vax.
 
SeasideMac said:
Not suggesting pinning anything on ill health that cannot be avoided.
However, there are certain things we can avoid eg obesity or injuries caused by speeding or drink driving etc. Or even extreme cases of covid where intensive care hospital treatment is required due to someone refusing to have the vax.
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My wife won't have the jab as her family history has blood clots. That's her choice and as much as I want to her have it she wants to wait and see how the data pans out. The govt did a rapid u turn on people under 30 having the AZ, whyvwas that? If you think my wife shouldn't get NHS treatment that's unfair. What about prisoners, the elderly, people who are in palliative care? Everyone gets treatment, that's what we do in a civilised society, but I'm beginning to question the direction and ethics this country is taking.
 
Ormergod said:
So what would you do with those taxpayers people if they required any medical treatment? Just leave them to die or suffer?
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Well it never happens, no one is ever refused treatment for anything because 1) It would go against the whole ethos of the service and 2) You would potentially be putting staff in conflict and danger and our conflict resolution training doesn't exactly provide for telling an angry drunk they can't be treated.
 
Ormergod said:
So what would you do with those taxpayers people if they required any medical treatment? Just leave them to die or suffer?
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Do you think itā€™s right people working in the care sector or the nhs to refuse the vaccine and putting patients or people in residential care at risk of dying from covid??
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
Do you think itā€™s right people working in the care sector or the nhs to refuse the vaccine and putting patients or people in residential care at risk of dying from covid??
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Yes I do think its right because I respect their individual freedom of choice.

Added to the fact that this injection does not prevent transmission of the virus therefore it is irrelevant whether the NHS staff member is vaccinated or not.
 
Ormergod said:
Yes I do think its right because I respect their individual freedom of choice.

Added to the fact that this injection does not prevent transmission of the virus therefore it is irrelevant whether the NHS staff member is vaccinated or not.
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If I worked in the care sector or nhs I would never put other people at risk by me being selfish and refusing the vaccine
Letā€™s put it this way then ā€”ā€”ā€”-
If one of your family members was in hospital or care home etc and they contracted covid and died from an unvaccinated member of staff it would still be ok.? Iā€™d like to think certainly not
 
gjr69 said:
If these jabs are so good why does anyone who has them concerned about those that haven't?
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Because those who havenā€™t will likely spread the virus among themselves and viruses have a habit of mutating. That could lead to a mutation which bypasses the vaccine, ergo, back to square one.
 
rockontommy said:
Maybe I've not been clear enough. I don't give a fuck if there is a third wave or if the NHS crumbles. There is a virus swilling around the world's population that I have no control over and the NHS is on its arse every single year since time immemorial. The difference in human cost of it collapsing or disproportionately weighted towards Covid is academic anyway, as anyone who has tried to get a face to face GP appointment this year will attest.

It's exactly these made up scenarios that I was getting at in my first comment. Everyone thinks they are a hero. What if this was a fire, what if this was a war, what if the health system collapsed - always with the detractor setting themselves as the fireman, the soldier. In your case, the valiant NHS apparatchik saving the NHS.

It's the same mindset with people who think they're saving the planet by washing their jar of Hellman's in the sink before recycling it. Complete make believe. Amusing though.
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I lick my mayo jar
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
This again.

Freedom of choice isn't applicable when your actions can potentially harm others.

Those refusing the jab are banking on enough people getting it so they can go about their lives, it's hypocritical narcissism.

There's no way of forcing them to get it but a vaccine passport would limit their activities. You're free to choose not to get it but society is free to choose not to let you endanger them.

Much in the same way you can't drive a car without a licence to protect others, this would be no different.

In short, fuck 'em.
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You're a very wise man Lytham
 
There's talk of incentivising the jab by giving more freedoms to those who are double jabbed. Seems fair enough. You're classified as safe, so why shouldn't you have more freedoms than those who won't have the jab, jeopardising the rest of the population.
 
Well I am just glad that, in my local authority area, over 80% of adults have had their first jabs, over 60% their second jabs, less than 5 people in hospital, infection rate consistently below 20 per 100k, only 1 Covid death in the last month and the vaccination programme is accelerating. Long may that progress continue and that we can get bsck to more normality.
Mind you, I would still stop foreign travel for the the rest of this year.
 
Blair today talking about vaccine passports should be required to go abroad or to concerts etc. Andrew Marr Sadi that would discriminate against those who donā€™t want the jab.

I know some will say itā€™s their body and itā€™s for them to make a decision, but there are things in life you have to conform to if you want to play, for example, if you donā€™t pass a driving test, you canā€™t drive, is that discrimination against those who failed?

Iā€™m sure thereā€™s plenty of other examples where your required to do something in order to participate.
 
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