PNE - About to implode.

PNE FANS LAST WEEK......
"You're a legend Peter for giving the Lashers 2,200 tickets and keeping the other 3,300 empty.....we don't care if the club loses £120k for this game."

"PNE aren't in debt, were owned by a billionaire family, who will keep pumping £12m a year into us to get to the Prem....because they love PNE"

"We have so many new fans because the club is loaded, so they gave us cheap season tickets and the clubs just getting bigger

PNE FANS THIS WEEK.....
"Ridsdale, get out of our club because you cant financially manage it and were losing money"

"Get lost Hemmings....You cant put £55m debt on to the clubs accounts...You can walk away now and stop paying that £1m a month...we don't need owners like you...who hate PNE"

"I wont be coming next season if they put the season ticket prices up.....I'll just get a FREE Under 11's from my kids school"
 
SpionKop said:
So is the lowcopromotion on or off....this week?
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I can’t speak for the majority but I don’t think anyone who supports the club, other than a select few see Lowe as a problem. Tactically he can be hit or miss but he’s a young manager in his first full season at this level. Mistakes happen.

The issue is with him not being backed. We were told by Lowe himself, in June, that he had been told he could get in a RWB and a ST. That never happened. We aren’t a big financial player in this division and it’s understandable if we miss out on a few to the big boys, however, to go through an entire window and not pick up a RWB (in a system which quite clearly needs one) is ridiculous.

The anger on Twitter etc is aimed at the board, Hemming etc, not at Lowe. I don’t think it’s fair to judge him until he has all the tools in place.
 
JamieB2710 said:
I can’t speak for the majority but I don’t think anyone who supports the club, other than a select few see Lowe as a problem. Tactically he can be hit or miss but he’s a young manager in his first full season at this level. Mistakes happen.

The issue is with him not being backed. We were told by Lowe himself, in June, that he had been told he could get in a RWB and a ST. That never happened. We aren’t a big financial player in this division and it’s understandable if we miss out on a few to the big boys, however, to go through an entire window and not pick up a RWB (in a system which quite clearly needs one) is ridiculous.

The anger on Twitter etc is aimed at the board, Hemming etc, not at Lowe. I don’t think it’s fair to judge him until he has all the tools in place.
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What does the 12 million a year, on top of other revenue streams, get spent on if you can't even cover every position.
Have you got loads of existing players on overly generous contracts draining your resources?
 
JamieB2710 said:
I can’t speak for the majority but I don’t think anyone who supports the club, other than a select few see Lowe as a problem. Tactically he can be hit or miss but he’s a young manager in his first full season at this level. Mistakes happen.

The issue is with him not being backed. We were told by Lowe himself, in June, that he had been told he could get in a RWB and a ST. That never happened. We aren’t a big financial player in this division and it’s understandable if we miss out on a few to the big boys, however, to go through an entire window and not pick up a RWB (in a system which quite clearly needs one) is ridiculous.

The anger on Twitter etc is aimed at the board, Hemming etc, not at Lowe. I don’t think it’s fair to judge him until he has all the tools in place.
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Who do you honestly think wants to buy you though when you are losing £12 million a year with the most season ticket holders that you have had for years?
You really should be careful what you wish for
 
I've got zero sympathy for those deluded clowns. They are sat mid table in the championship and there is uproar towards the owner who is paying £12m a year out of his own inheritance to keep them afloat.

What do they expect? PKE fans have this massively over inflated ego when it comes to the stature of their club. It's got even worse now that they have sold record ST's due to the fact that they have literally been handed out to them for free like confetti.

The sooner they realise that they are a lower championship sized club the better. Owners aren't going to be tripping over eachother to buy a club like Preston.

Most of them aren't so quick on the uptake. But sooner or later they have to realise what they are. Things shouldn't hurt so much then.
 
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FY5_Seasider said:
I've got zero sympathy for them. They are sat mid table in the championship and there is uproar towards the owner who is paying £12m a year out of his own inheritance to keep them afloat.

What do they expect? PKE fans have this massively over inflated ego when it comes to the stature of their club. It's got even worse now that they have sold record ST's due to the fact that they have literally been handed out to them for free like confetti.

The sooner they realise that they are a lower championship sized club the better. Owners aren't going to be tripping over eachother to buy a club like Preston.

Most of them aren't so quick on the uptake. But sooner or later they have to realise what they are. Things shouldn't hurt so much then.
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Good post……. apart from somewhere in there you could have made use of the words “deluded clowns” 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 😀
 
gjr69 said:
What does the 12 million a year, on top of other revenue streams, get spent on if you can't even cover every position.
Have you got loads of existing players on overly generous contracts draining your resources?
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This summer we paid off the remainder of the contract for 3 separate players. We were paying Josh Harrop circa 12k a week. He hadn’t played in 18 months. Ridsdale seems to like to dish out contracts to un-deserving players in the hope that they’ll come good. Harrop’s contract originally ran until 2024. Christ knows how much that cost us….

We have purchased players and not played them. Bayliss, who you are now linked with, was signed for a club record fee. He played something like 12 times and was released on a free (agreement with Shrewsbury) even though he had 2 years to run. Our record at purchasing and having successful players is horrendous.

Ridsdale said last season on a podcast that if 1 in 5 of your transfers are a success then you’re doing a good job. Worrying.

Martonmosser said:
Who do you honestly think wants to buy you though when you are losing £12 million a year with the most season ticket holders that you have had for years?
You really should be careful what you wish for
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And I agree, to an extent. However, when you see everyone else hit the promised land (you lot, Wigan, Rovers etc) you start to wonder why can’t it be you.

I don’t think we’re any smaller or bigger than either Wigan or Blackpool personally. You’ll probably have a different opinion on that. However, I know for a fact, we have had 5 enquires since the turn of the year about the purchasing of the football club. All have been turned down for one reason or another. It would cost a potential owner £30 million atleast, to sort out the mess they would inherit and Craig Hemmings is asking for another £30 million on top of that to purchase the club and the lot of land at Ingol.
 
They wasn’t serious bidders though we’re they, that chancer supposedly after derby and you lot, could see straight through him, And I was the other 🤣🤣
 
JamieB2710 said:
This summer we paid off the remainder of the contract for 3 separate players. We were paying Josh Harrop circa 12k a week. He hadn’t played in 18 months. Ridsdale seems to like to dish out contracts to un-deserving players in the hope that they’ll come good. Harrop’s contract originally ran until 2024. Christ knows how much that cost us….

We have purchased players and not played them. Bayliss, who you are now linked with, was signed for a club record fee. He played something like 12 times and was released on a free (agreement with Shrewsbury) even though he had 2 years to run. Our record at purchasing and having successful players is horrendous.

Ridsdale said last season on a podcast that if 1 in 5 of your transfers are a success then you’re doing a good job. Worrying.



And I agree, to an extent. However, when you see everyone else hit the promised land (you lot, Wigan, Rovers etc) you start to wonder why can’t it be you.

I don’t think we’re any smaller or bigger than either Wigan or Blackpool personally. You’ll probably have a different opinion on that. However, I know for a fact, we have had 5 enquires since the turn of the year about the purchasing of the football club. All have been turned down for one reason or another. It would cost a potential owner £30 million atleast, to sort out the mess they would inherit and Craig Hemmings is asking for another £30 million on top of that to purchase the club and the lot of land at Ingol.
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Sounds like the Riddler is a big part of your problems, obviously we all hope he hangs around for a few more years!
 
JamieB2710 said:
This summer we paid off the remainder of the contract for 3 separate players. We were paying Josh Harrop circa 12k a week. He hadn’t played in 18 months. Ridsdale seems to like to dish out contracts to un-deserving players in the hope that they’ll come good. Harrop’s contract originally ran until 2024. Christ knows how much that cost us….

We have purchased players and not played them. Bayliss, who you are now linked with, was signed for a club record fee. He played something like 12 times and was released on a free (agreement with Shrewsbury) even though he had 2 years to run. Our record at purchasing and having successful players is horrendous.

Ridsdale said last season on a podcast that if 1 in 5 of your transfers are a success then you’re doing a good job. Worrying.



And I agree, to an extent. However, when you see everyone else hit the promised land (you lot, Wigan, Rovers etc) you start to wonder why can’t it be you.

I don’t think we’re any smaller or bigger than either Wigan or Blackpool personally. You’ll probably have a different opinion on that. However, I know for a fact, we have had 5 enquires since the turn of the year about the purchasing of the football club. All have been turned down for one reason or another. It would cost a potential owner £30 million atleast, to sort out the mess they would inherit and Craig Hemmings is asking for another £30 million on top of that to purchase the club and the lot of land at Ingol.
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What happened with us, Wigan and Blackburn getting to the PL will in my opinion never happen again without massive investment. Clubs of our size (and yes I agree the 3 of us are quite similar) will do well with our budgets to finish in a playoff spot without the week in, week out quality that is only available at silly prices
 
Interesting the Lowe-comotion is asking for time and patience at home. After last week's tanking, won't be easy against Boro tomorrow with a bit of managerial bounce. Love an away win to pull the Nobbers back in to it as I still think they could be in bother as the season goes on.
 
JamieB2710 said:
It would cost a potential owner £30 million atleast, to sort out the mess they would inherit and Craig Hemmings is asking for another £30 million on top of that to purchase the club and the lot of land at Ingol.
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Don't forget the £1m a month just to keep the doors open.
I can see why 5 people have had a look and though fck that 🤣
 
Eventhepenguins said:
Don't forget the £1m a month just to keep the doors open.
I can see why 5 people have had a look and though fck that 🤣
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One nobber reckons the Hemmings family want £30 million for the stadium, land and name, but also the £30 million of debts paid off too…

So someone is expected to fork out £60 million quid to buy a club losing £12 million a year and that needs millions of investment also (stadium, squad etc).

So in order to have any prospect of generating a profit and earning back some of that £60 million you’re gonna need to chuck enough money at the club to make them genuine promotion contenders - so perhaps an extra £10 million per season - assuming the feel good factor increases ticket sales etc your losses may only end up being £20 million per season as opposed to £22 million (£12m + £10m).

Either way before there’s even a sniff of any sort of profit, let alone the chance to not operate at an obscene level of loss making the investor has lost approximately £80 million quid with absolutely no guarantee of owning a Premier League club. Every season that subsequently goes by without reaching the Prem is a further £20 million lost. Assuming the club even does make it to the Prem within 3 seasons of a takeover every single penny earned (£150 million there or thereabouts) is already taken up by the losses as the costs involved in operating in the Prem would also massively increase.

It’s financial suicide. A club with a limited fan base, no real scope to develop and grow beyond their existing status and with losses building at a rate of knots can only really be serviced by a billionaire or someone with zero interest in sustainability.

£100 million would get you a pick of clubs from around Europe with much greater potential and larger fan bases than PNE. You’d surely look at clubs like Bradford, Portsmouth, Ipswich, Wednesday, Plymouth, Coventry, Cardiff (the list literally goes on) before throwing your money into
that money pit.

The wealthy local owner is often called a unicorn. We’re lucky to have found Sadler. PNE it seems have ridden that unicorn for the last 25 years and now they hope to find another…

I can honestly only see serious financial instability for them going forward. Those losses are not sustainable and the money wanted is wholly unrealistic.
 
IF it was me; I'd be doing something along the lines of owning a piece of football heritage - there are only 12 founder members of the football league and hope that someone gets all romantic about that as financially it's not a great prospect.

We were slightly different - distressed sale, and literally things couldn't get worse.

I can understand the frustrations of the fans - they've been in the 2nd tier for seems like forever but don't look like really getting the combination of players/staff/managers to get that perfect mix to go up on a relatively limited budget.

We are still in the honeymoon period; 2nd tier is great, owner is great, manager is the manager BUT we've got fresh memories of how bad it can actually get; so generally (not withstanding the odd idiot) the club have a bit of latitude.

Of course I want Preston to hurtle down the leagues, I'd love the £12m subsidy to disappear and for them to live within their means and have to put up with what we had for years; it's unlikely as it means the club is worth even less, but it would be great!!
 
TSSeasider said:
IF it was me; I'd be doing something along the lines of owning a piece of football heritage - there are only 12 founder members of the football league and hope that someone gets all romantic about that as financially it's not a great prospect.

We were slightly different - distressed sale, and literally things couldn't get worse.

I can understand the frustrations of the fans - they've been in the 2nd tier for seems like forever but don't look like really getting the combination of players/staff/managers to get that perfect mix to go up on a relatively limited budget.

We are still in the honeymoon period; 2nd tier is great, owner is great, manager is the manager BUT we've got fresh memories of how bad it can actually get; so generally (not withstanding the odd idiot) the club have a bit of latitude.

Of course I want Preston to hurtle down the leagues, I'd love the £12m subsidy to disappear and for them to live within their means and have to put up with what we had for years; it's unlikely as it means the club is worth even less, but it would be great!!
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Not sure why it’s unlikely, I see it as highly probable personally
 
TSSeasider said:
IF it was me; I'd be doing something along the lines of owning a piece of football heritage - there are only 12 founder members of the football league and hope that someone gets all romantic about that as financially it's not a great prospect.

We were slightly different - distressed sale, and literally things couldn't get worse.

I can understand the frustrations of the fans - they've been in the 2nd tier for seems like forever but don't look like really getting the combination of players/staff/managers to get that perfect mix to go up on a relatively limited budget.

We are still in the honeymoon period; 2nd tier is great, owner is great, manager is the manager BUT we've got fresh memories of how bad it can actually get; so generally (not withstanding the odd idiot) the club have a bit of latitude.

Of course I want Preston to hurtle down the leagues, I'd love the £12m subsidy to disappear and for them to live within their means and have to put up with what we had for years; it's unlikely as it means the club is worth even less, but it would be great!!
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Seems very likely atm

Budget being slashed constantly, nowhere near putting the 12 mill in anymore with further cuts to come

Many thought Trev was holding us back when in reality things are much worse without him

Would not be surprised to see us relegated, if not this season then certainly next

Unless a buyer is found in the next year then even administration could be on the cards

Btw it’s not hemmings Jnr who’s the problem but someone else who was close to Trev.

She’s the one pulling the funding , much to this boards delight !
 
Off Duty Trip said:
Seems very likely atm

Budget being slashed constantly, nowhere near putting the 12 mill in anymore with further cuts to come

Many thought Trev was holding us back when in reality things are much worse without him

Would not be surprised to see us relegated, if not this season then certainly next

Unless a buyer is found in the next year then even administration could be on the cards

Btw it’s not hemmings Jnr who’s the problem but someone else who was close to Trev.

She’s the one pulling the funding , much to this boards delight !
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You think they are at the point of acknowledging that's no point throwing good money after bad?

"No more family money" to quote a one time Chairman of this club?

If that's the case then it's going to be very difficult to be a top half team, which will reduce income by either reducing crowds or having to charge less

Well it get to the point that you're having to boycott due the perceived lack of investment (I know things are different as the our club actually earned the jackpot which was channelled to the owners) - not sure you're there yet

Quite a bit of pressure of the Nobbers this season
 
TSSeasider said:
You think they are at the point of acknowledging that's no point throwing good money after bad?

"No more family money" to quote a one time Chairman of this club?

If that's the case then it's going to be very difficult to be a top half team, which will reduce income by either reducing crowds or having to charge less

Well it get to the point that you're having to boycott due the perceived lack of investment (I know things are different as the our club actually earned the jackpot which was channelled to the owners) - not sure you're there yet

Quite a bit of pressure of the Nobbers this season
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Not quite no more money but certainly dramatically reduced
 
I imagine the rest of the extended Hemmings family want a cut of the inheritance. Not everyone wants to be involved with a football club money pit, and all the hassle that goes with it.

Preston are going to have to get that £12m annual shortfall down to zero, whether that be through selling their best players - Riis etc, bringing youth players through the system and selling them on. A sustainable model with wages closer aligned to what BFC are paying (or less).
Hemmings Jnr will have to take less for the club and land / assets.
No sane investor will pay £30m + £30m in debts.
The fans will moan like a bastard, but ultimately it’s either that or administration and/or oblivion.
 
Off Duty Trip said:
Btw it’s not hemmings Jnr who’s the problem but someone else who was close to Trev.

She’s the one pulling the funding , much to this boards delight !
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How come people are reluctant to talk about her on Online?

I thought it was common knowledge that she was 'Lady of The Manor' on the Isle of Man.
 
Would love to see them struggle with no money like we had to for years. They will understand why we boycotted after OUR MONEY was withdrawn. Then they had the temerity to say we abandoned our club. Thick as pig shit and deserve nothing but the misery that they have to come. Live within your means and stop giving free tickets away. Be interesting to see how many 25 year old "kids" get a freebie next year.
 
Bob Hatton said:
Would love to see them struggle with no money like we had to for years. They will understand why we boycotted after OUR MONEY was withdrawn. Then they had the temerity to say we abandoned our club. Thick as pig shit and deserve nothing but the misery that they have to come. Live within your means and stop giving free tickets away. Be interesting to see how many 25 year old "kids" get a freebie next year.
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Not sure that would would happen , completely different situation

You’re owner fleeced all the prem money , ours just don’t want to put up their money .

I’ll be there regardless, championships a great division but I’ve had great fun travelling the lower leagues too.

Anyway all conjecture at this point all though it certainly feels it’s going that way .
 
Off Duty Trip said:
Not sure that would would happen , completely different situation

You’re owner fleeced all the prem money , ours just don’t want to put up their money .

I’ll be there regardless, championships a great division but I’ve had great fun travelling the lower leagues too.

Anyway all conjecture at this point all though it certainly feels it’s going that way .
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How can you say don't want to put their money in when they litterly gave you a million pounds every month just to keep you afloat? Seriously deluded fan base who somehow seem to think you are bigger and better than you are. All the Lancashire clubs are small provincial outfits that are loved by their fans but will never compete long term in the Premier league. For any of us to even be competitive in the championship is a massive achievement but you have to live within your budget. We have all seen the outcomes of clubs who gamble and fail - look at Derby.
 
Off Duty Trip said:
Not sure that would would happen , completely different situation

You’re owner fleeced all the prem money , ours just don’t want to put up their money .

I’ll be there regardless, championships a great division but I’ve had great fun travelling the lower leagues too.

Anyway all conjecture at this point all though it certainly feels it’s going that way .
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ODT can you confirm what a nobber mate of mine has said to me on a few occasions that when we were boycotting our club you were having collections for us on match days?
 
Bob Hatton said:
How can you say don't want to put their money in when they litterly gave you a million pounds every month just to keep you afloat? Seriously deluded fan base who somehow seem to think you are bigger and better than you are. All the Lancashire clubs are small provincial outfits that are loved by their fans but will never compete long term in the Premier league. For any of us to even be competitive in the championship is a massive achievement but you have to live within your budget. We have all seen the outcomes of clubs who gamble and fail - look at Derby.
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And when Ridsdale was at Leeds trying to buy the Champions League, that went well didn’t it?
 
I have to say the general boycott position on PNE online is all over the place and pathetic.

They are often upset and some say they won't renew etc, about their club in the championship which is actually putting millions into a black hole.

Our situation was mad, I can't imagine if they got to the prem, spent very little, came down and were promised infrastructure and thought the money would change the club forever and got next to nowt, they'd be going absolutely berserk.

Yet apparently we abandoned our club, the things we were going through were ridiculous, also fans being sued was a joke.

The ones who fail to acknowledge the real circumstances are very bitter and deluded.

Just like some say we stopped going because we went down, forgetting that we had just gone down and the boycott properly begun for the league 1 season, we then all came back again in league 1, 15k infact. If the league was such an issue people wouldn't have returned in the same league we were apparently trying to avoid.

They also mocked that 15k as obviously it fell massively for the remainder of the league games. But thats only natural as that was a special day, all exiles, casuals, extra people who come to those rare special days came too, some extra family, friends etc.

Thats how big or special games can work, the nobbers crowd dropped by 6.5k from playing us to their next home game last season.
 
TangerineBayern said:
ODT can you confirm what a nobber mate of mine has said to me on a few occasions that when we were boycotting our club you were having collections for us on match days?
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Have vague recollections of collections for a few clubs over the years but tbh can’t recall if you were one of them
 
Off Duty Trip said:
Have vague recollections of collections for a few clubs over the years but tbh can’t recall if you were one of them
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Cant say for certain but would be very surprised if it was true. Every nobber I have ever met has disliked us with a passion and happy to say that is a reciprocal feeling from us. I would be happy to see them relegated but would miss the nailed on 3 points at home.
 
Bob Hatton said:
Cant say for certain but would be very surprised if it was true. Every nobber I have ever met has disliked us with a passion and happy to say that is a reciprocal feeling from us. I would be happy to see them relegated but would miss the nailed on 3 points at home.
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Can’t see them raising money for us personally. They even had a few turning up at our EFL demonstrations to give us abuse, although they were very fast runners 🤔😂
 
Off Duty Trip said:
At best exactly where we are now

More than likely back in league 1 unless something drastically changes
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League 1 is PNEs natural natural level. They won't be grateful when they're back there...they should be though...
It's better than Lge 2 after all lol lol lol 🧡🧡🧡

Be a bit more grateful nobbers, and be very careful what you wish for!!! 🤣🤣🤣
 
Can I just please point out I called this 3 weeks ago now 😂

Tinpot deluded nobbers and their open letter calling for the Hemmings’ to spunk even more money up the wall.
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
Not a chance will Craig Hemmings gs spend what they’re crying for to be spent
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Only way Hemmings gets a buyer is if they get the club operating in a manner that makes some sort of sense financially. I hope the family rip off the bandage, cut all costs, sell off the silver and leave them with a budget that’s appropriate. Almost certainly gets relegated but they’ve enough to be a League 1 club and then someone may stump up £20 million or so to buy them - but probably only then.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Only way Hemmings gets a buyer is if they get the club operating in a manner that makes some sort of sense financially. I hope the family rip off the bandage, cut all costs, sell off the silver and leave them with a budget that’s appropriate. Almost certainly gets relegated but they’ve enough to be a League 1 club and then someone may stump up £20 million or so to buy them - but probably only then.
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Selling as a Championship club makes the price substantially more. For that reason, there will be enough subsidy to maintain status but not much more.
 
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