Protestor intrusion on Keir Starmer

Phil_bfc deux said:
I've voted Labour previously both nationally and locally

I haven't voted for them since the Blair times though

I may vote for them again I may not, living in Wales isn't great under the Welsh government though

Covid in Wales was a right shit show and far worse than it was in England

I couldn't work in Wales even though I live in Wales but could work in England?
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Are you Clwyd? Proper swing seat there.
 
foggy said:
The election is still probably a year away and they haven't begun campaigning yet, but here is a list of their policies as they stand

www.google.com

Revealed: Full final policy platform set to shape next Labour manifesto - LabourList

The full UK Labour Party policy programme in the run-up to the 2024 general election, as agreed at the 2023 Labour Party conference.
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Don't indulge these willfully blind posters. They've not listened to Starmers speech. They're just full of their stale put downs and self-indulgence.

It was a brilliant speech. Well weighted, well targeted and composed and with a long term vision for a prosperous country that's at ease with itself. Some posters on here really are queueing up to be yesterday's men
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Don't indulge these willfully blind posters. They've not listened to Starmers speech. They're just full of their stale put downs and self-indulgence.

It was a brilliant speech. Well weighted, well targeted and composed and with a long term vision for a prosperous country that's at ease with itself. Some posters on here really are queueing up to be yesterday's men
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Where are all these new towns going?
 
Where was the security at the conference? Especially with the Israel/Hamas situation That guy could have had acid or say a knife. Not sure if we can trust labour to run a piss-up in a brewery never mind the country.
 
Threepeaksphil said:
Where was the security at the conference? Especially with the Israel/Hamas situation That guy could have had acid or say a knife. Not sure if we can trust labour to run a piss-up in a brewery never mind the country.
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That's a good point, very slack or downright incompetence
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
1.5 million new homes. More green belt being destroyed. How does that tie in with
enviromental concerns and net zero?
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Its bizarre to come up with that new towns comment when Rayner was pushed on it afterwards she didn't have a clue and when shown an old policy and advertising campaign against new homes she was completely baffled
 
Threepeaksphil said:
Where was the security at the conference? Especially with the Israel/Hamas situation That guy could have had acid or say a knife. Not sure if we can trust labour to run a piss-up in a brewery never mind the country.
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I'm afraid you're one of these people who is dying to find fault and you'll hang your hat on the most ludicrous peg in order to do it. I'd rather you jump on board and give it a chance. I'm not saying to you, "p*** off you Tory git." There's no future for Britain with that attitude. So, I say ditch the conceited pessimism and give it a go. @Phil_bfc deux as well.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I don't know but it's a good idea. Trust to the ideas. Support the vision. It's not a con and it might just work out well.
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Why is it a good idea? I don't know where you live but around my area there's literally acres of countryside being concreted over.
It's unsightly and in my book it's vandalism. On top of that the infrastructure can't support it and the roads are becoming more and more gridlocked. So a load of cars just sat there with their engines idling, using more fuel and pumping more harmful gases in to the air.
How the hell can that be a good idea?
 
Lost Seasider said:
You don't think any of this is actually going to happen, do you?
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It's already happening, but at least the brakes have been put on a bit recently with the rise in interest rates
affecting house sales. And now Labour, who more than likely are going to form the next government are commiting
to another 1.5 million new houses. Both Labour and the Tories are guilty of destroying green belt and I won't be voting for either of them,
especially a party who's policy is for even more house building.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Don't indulge these willfully blind posters. They've not listened to Starmers speech. They're just full of their stale put downs and self-indulgence.

It was a brilliant speech. Well weighted, well targeted and composed and with a long term vision for a prosperous country that's at ease with itself. Some posters on here really are queueing up to be yesterday's men
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But you would say that 😉
 
I’d rather new towns built with all of the necessary infrastructure including road links to motorways, train stations and open spaces and surrounded by green belt rather than the current practice of expanding existing towns, infilling existing green spaces and not improving the infrastructure.
 
Matesrates said:
Labour will win, it’s just that the public think it’s time for change. They won’t be any better and probably we would have been in the same place if they’d been in government during covid and Ukraine.
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Of course they will be better, because they won't be deliberately giving everything to their mates.
 
Wizaard said:
Of course they will be better, because they won't be deliberately giving everything to their mates.
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That may be true Wizz in that they won't favour their mates. But it's going to take a lot more than that to convince
people about Starmer. Yes I agree it's time for a change but that's probably only becuse the Tories have been so bad.
I'm far from convined it's because Starmer is any good.
And yes I've listened to the whole of his speech.
It's just a load of regurgitated crap, u turns and hollow soundbites from both sides I'm afraid. There's nothing new
and there's no conviction.
When the country is crying out more so than ever for some radical, fresh new ideas.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
That may be true Wizz in that they won't favour their mates. But it's going to take a lot more than that to convince
people about Starmer. Yes I agree it's time for a change but that's probably only becuse the Tories have been so bad.
I'm far from convined it's because Starmer is any good.
And yes I've listened to the whole of his speech.
It's just a load of regurgitated crap, u turns and hollow soundbites from both sides I'm afraid. There's nothing new
and there's no conviction.
When the country is crying out more so than ever for some radical, fresh new ideas.
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Fair enough, but we can't carry on giving these chancers another go. 5 Prime Ministers, all shockers.

We have to try something else and then judge them.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Are you trying to tell me these things dont go on with the Labour party?

I mean it's a long time since they were power maybe Labour are completely 100% squeaky clean
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So, you're saying stick with those who are known to be corrupt? And you say I'm naive?

Let's see. If they prove to be corrupt then call them out at the time, not refuse to give them a chance on the off chance they might be.

We've had 13 years of the Tories putting themselves ahead of the country. Madness to give them yet another chance.
 
I think the protester has done Starmer a big favour there. Gets glitter thrown at him takes his jacket off and gets on with it. Quite a good look really . The tories are always trying to link labour with protests etc so it sought of flies in the face of that as well.
No gaffs and labour don’t need to set out detailed policy when the tories are so shite at running the country. They can just sit back and watch them look shit. Which of course we all know they are.
 
Wizaard said:
So, you're saying stick with those who are known to be corrupt? And you say I'm naive?

Let's see. If they prove to be corrupt then call them out at the time, not refuse to give them a chance on the off chance they might be.

We've had 13 years of the Tories putting themselves ahead of the country. Madness to give them yet another chance.
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Yes you are naive

Is there anything worse than Blair taking us to war on an outright pack of lies?

How many deaths did his deception cause?

How many deaths?
 
Wizaard said:
Fair enough, but we can't carry on giving these chancers another go. 5 Prime Ministers, all shockers.

We have to try something else and then judge them.
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In hindsight (great gift I know) I'm now thinking that Theresa May was the best one of the lot and by some distance.
That's not saying a lot about the others I know.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Why is it a good idea? I don't know where you live but around my area there's literally acres of countryside being concreted over.
It's unsightly and in my book it's vandalism. On top of that the infrastructure can't support it and the roads are becoming more and more gridlocked. So a load of cars just sat there with their engines idling, using more fuel and pumping more harmful gases in to the air.
How the hell can that be a good idea?
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From where have you got the idea that it's going to be like that? Labour haven't said that. If you want to be a naysayers well, it's your choice but it's a shame.
 
TSSeasider said:
But you would say that 😉
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Not at all. I'm not a tub-thumping conference type and I tend to avoid most of the speeches. However, I watched all of Sunak and, today, I watched Yvette Cooper (very good) and I watched Starmer. I grimace at the continual up and down, standing ovation stuff and I much prefer someone who comes across naturally. Starmer did that today. His best conference speech to date for me.
 
“Where are all these new towns going to go btw?”


There’s a shit load of recently purchased unused land between Manchester and Birmingham now going to waste 👍
 
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RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
That may be true Wizz in that they won't favour their mates. But it's going to take a lot more than that to convince
people about Starmer. Yes I agree it's time for a change but that's probably only becuse the Tories have been so bad.
I'm far from convined it's because Starmer is any good.
And yes I've listened to the whole of his speech.
It's just a load of regurgitated crap, u turns and hollow soundbites from both sides I'm afraid. There's nothing new
and there's no conviction.
When the country is crying out more so than ever for some radical, fresh new ideas.
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No, it's not just regurgitated crap. That's nonsense. It wasn't a micro-policy speech. It was a strategic speech, looking to how we treat people and what Government is for. There will be lots of people encouraged by that speech and I don't even have to compare it to the Tories to say that.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Yes you are naive

Is there anything worse than Blair taking us to war on an outright pack of lies?

How many deaths did his deception cause?

How many deaths?
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I agree on Blair Phil, but you could also ask 'how many deaths were created by the wilful ideological fantasy spun by Osborne and Cameron that government spending is like household spending and therefore austerity was an unavoidable hardship'

Keith doesn't excite me, but the current lot are proper gash. I've had the misfortune to deal directly with some of the departments under their management through work and it's a proper shambles. Zero leadership or idea. They've managed to create shit services for the cost of the highest tax burden since forever. Yes, Covid but...
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Not at all. I'm not a tub-thumping conference type and I tend to avoid most of the speeches. However, I watched all of Sunak and, today, I watched Yvette Cooper (very good) and I watched Starmer. I grimace at the continual up and down, standing ovation stuff and I much prefer someone who comes across naturally. Starmer did that today. His best conference speech for me.
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As I've said previously, I met in for a number of hours and on his own without advisors and press, he was far less 'wooden' than when I'd seen him on TV.

I think the intruder (whilst being a nob) did him a lot of good in terms of having to deal with something which wasn't staged managed - and he did it really well.

I agree, I think that's the best I've seen from a Labour Leader in years (I know the bar isn't high).

There was a lot to applaud in the speech; but they now have to design the "how" - and that's the thing which they will be judged on.

I hadn't realised they need a swing like '97 just to get a 1 seat majority - which kind of shows the absolute shit show of governance that the Tories have presided over since 2019 that's it even being considered as possible.
 
td53 said:
I agree on Blair Phil, but you could also ask 'how many deaths were created by the wilful ideological fantasy spun by Osborne and Cameron that government spending is like household spending and therefore austerity was an unavoidable hardship'

Keith doesn't excite me, but the current lot are proper gash. I've had the misfortune to deal directly with some of the departments under their management through work and it's a proper shambles. Zero leadership or idea. They've managed to create shit services for the cost of the highest tax burden since forever. Yes, Covid but...
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But have you lived in Wales under the Welsh Labour party?
 
TSSeasider said:
As I've said previously, I met in for a number of hours and on his own without advisors and press, he was far less 'wooden' than when I'd seen him on TV.

I think the intruder (whilst being a nob) did him a lot of good in terms of having to deal with something which wasn't staged managed - and he did it really well.

I agree, I think that's the best I've seen from a Labour Leader in years (I know the bar isn't high).

There was a lot to applaud in the speech; but they now have to design the "how" - and that's the thing which they will be judged on.

I hadn't realised they need a swing like '97 just to get a 1 seat majority - which kind of shows the absolute shit show of governance that the Tories have presided over since 2019 that's it even being considered as possible.
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Last election was a lot of borrowed votes to get Brexit done. That in and of itself will re-balance things to a degree. The fact Labour have won recently in Scotland is huge.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
But have you lived in Wales under the Welsh Labour party?
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I haven't. Nope. I have worked in Blackpool under austerity and watched the circumstances of the people I work with get steadily shitter as the social contract is eroded and the young people get more and more bogged down in a morass of circumstances. That's my perspective. Wales is yours.
 
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