Should Starmer resign?

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fcblackpool

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I'm not suggesting he's guilty of anything, far from it, but it does appear that the electorate aren't too keen on him.

If he took one for the team, so to speak it would place the muppet in an impossible position, plus place him and Labour on a higher moral ground. whilst giving labour the chance to find a more appealing leader.

Over to you 3 out there
 
If he gets a FPN, he will have to do the honourable thing I suspect.
It may serve to highlight the difference between him and Johnson.
 
southshorepool said:
If he gets a FPN, he will have to do the honourable thing I suspect.
It may serve to highlight the difference between him and Johnson.
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I suspect he will, followed by an uncontested re-election??

Although the left of the party would more than likely put someone up.
 
He's intelligent and he projects the right image but he doesn't seem to be popular with voters. Nobody else in the party appears to possess the first or second of those virtues.

Starmer seems to have painted himself into a corner whereby if he doesn't resign he loses all credibility. As a good friend of mine once said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Perhaps he should have kept quiet about Boris's indiscretions, knowing he was culpable too.
 
tommytwojags said:
He's intelligent and he projects the right image but he doesn't seem to be popular with voters. Nobody else in the party appears to possess the first or second of those virtues.

Starmer seems to have painted himself into a corner whereby if he doesn't resign he loses all credibility. As a good friend of mine once said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Perhaps he should have kept quiet about Boris's indiscretions, knowing he was culpable too.
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Apparently he doesn't need to resign if there's no case to answer, despite what the Mail says.

Anyway, isn't there a war on and everyone should move on, but does that only apply to Tories?
 
If we could guarantee that Andy Burnham would be next Labour leader, then I’d say resign now.
Labour would win a landslide at the next election and it would be glorious. However I doubt it. They do seem to have a penchant for unelectable / unpopular leaders.
 
If he gets an FPN he has to resign IMO. Agree about Burnham, Starmer doesn't have the charisma but with his experience should be shadow home secretary / home secretary or something like. Ideally I want a leader of the Labour party who can accept the reality and have a formal electoral pact with the LDems / greens / SNP. And then change the electoral system to something more like PR, they have to work together. The argument that they are a national party doesn't hold water, they don't actually field candidates in NI for instance.
 
tangerine_neil said:
If we could guarantee that Andy Burnham would be next Labour leader, then I’d say resign now.
Labour would win a landslide at the next election and it would be glorious. However I doubt it. They do seem to have a penchant for unelectable / unpopular leaders.
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As long as it's not AR then I think Labour are in with a shout at the next election....but I can't see a landslide.

...and don't underestimate the Tories when it comes to getting elected again!
 
tangerine_neil said:
If we could guarantee that Andy Burnham would be next Labour leader, then I’d say resign now.
Labour would win a landslide at the next election and it would be glorious. However I doubt it. They do seem to have a penchant for unelectable / unpopular leaders.
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Andy Burnham would piss a GE.

Cake-Gate, Curry-Gate, Beer-Gate, Sharon Stone impersonator-Gate couldn't care less until you make a huge issue about it then get caught.

Once they lied about the gathering it made them no different from the bell end in charge of the country.
Rayner not at Beer+Gate then she was.
Lied about no room service being available when it was.

The Durham Police couldn't be arsed rightly so but should Starmer quit over it no the rules where bloody stupid in the first place.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
If he gets an FPN he has to resign IMO. Agree about Burnham, Starmer doesn't have the charisma but with his experience should be shadow home secretary / home secretary or something like. Ideally I want a leader of the Labour party who can accept the reality and have a formal electoral pact with the LDems / greens / SNP. And then change the electoral system to something more like PR, they have to work together. The argument that they are a national party doesn't hold water, they don't actually field candidates in NI for instance.
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The SNP with never work with a Westminster political party unless you give them another vote so your pissing in the wind with that one.
 
fcblackpool said:
I'm not suggesting he's guilty of anything, far from it, but it does appear that the electorate aren't too keen on him.

If he took one for the team, so to speak it would place the muppet in an impossible position, plus place him and Labour on a higher moral ground. whilst giving labour the chance to find a more appealing leader.

Over to you 3 out there
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We'll find out soon enough. But in the meantime it seems that the Starmer situation (a beer and takeaway whilst working) is very different to the Downing Street one (parties, quizzes, suitcases of wine etc). But let's see what comes out.
 
fcblackpool said:
I'm not suggesting he's guilty of anything, far from it, but it does appear that the electorate aren't too keen on him.

If he took one for the team, so to speak it would place the muppet in an impossible position, plus place him and Labour on a higher moral ground. whilst giving labour the chance to find a more appealing leader.

Over to you 3 out there
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Not what I was expecting. Fair post. No, I think he should stick it out. At least, let's see if anything comes of Beergate. I suspect nothing will but , of course, the Mail have majored on it because the Tories took a pasting in the locals.
 
tommytwojags said:
He's intelligent and he projects the right image but he doesn't seem to be popular with voters. Nobody else in the party appears to possess the first or second of those virtues.

Starmer seems to have painted himself into a corner whereby if he doesn't resign he loses all credibility. As a good friend of mine once said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Perhaps he should have kept quiet about Boris's indiscretions, knowing he was culpable too.
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I think Starmer should stay. He's a good man. Who would scare the Tories to death?...Andy Burnham or Lisa Nandy, both northerners.
 
poolseasider said:
The SNP with never work with a Westminster political party unless you give them another vote so your pissing in the wind with that one.
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Yes, and?
That is the price to work with the SNP in a hung parliament. It would be the same for any party although I am sure the SNP wouldn't work with the conservatives.
There is no guarantee that inderef2 would vote for independence in any case.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
If he gets an FPN he has to resign IMO. Agree about Burnham, Starmer doesn't have the charisma but with his experience should be shadow home secretary / home secretary or something like. Ideally I want a leader of the Labour party who can accept the reality and have a formal electoral pact with the LDems / greens / SNP. And then change the electoral system to something more like PR, they have to work together. The argument that they are a national party doesn't hold water, they don't actually field candidates in NI for instance.
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None of the British parties stand in Northern Ireland. That's a non-argument.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Yes but it blows a big hole in the 'we are a national party and we want people to have the chance to vote for us' argument.
It's almost like none of the major parties believe that NI is a part of the UK
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No again. I praise your posts, regularly but this one doesn't stand up. The UK is an amalgam of nations. The SNP is a national party, so is Plaid Cymru.
 
tommytwojags said:
He's intelligent and he projects the right image but he doesn't seem to be popular with voters. Nobody else in the party appears to possess the first or second of those virtues.

Starmer seems to have painted himself into a corner whereby if he doesn't resign he loses all credibility. As a good friend of mine once said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Perhaps he should have kept quiet about Boris's indiscretions, knowing he was culpable too.
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We know you are getting on, but can't find you referenced in The Bible with the quote from 'your friend.'
 
Wizaard said:
Apparently he doesn't need to resign if there's no case to answer, despite what the Mail says.

Anyway, isn't there a war on and everyone should move on, but does that only apply to Tories?
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1966_and_all_that said:
Not what I was expecting. Fair post. No, I think he should stick it out. At least, let's see if anything comes of Beergate. I suspect nothing will but , of course, the Mail have majored on it because the Tories took a pasting in the locals.
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The ;point I'm making is that Starmer himself will know he's not going to win an election, so taking one for the team could give Labour a moral high ground lift whilst laying on thick the pisstaking the Tories are happy to keep on doing- that could live in the mind of the public right up to the election.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Yes, and?
That is the price to work with the SNP in a hung parliament. It would be the same for any party although I am sure the SNP wouldn't work with the conservatives.
There is no guarantee that inderef2 would vote for independence in any case.
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Right then to work with the SNP you'd have to royally piss of the Scottish Labour by promising another vote to gain a majority.
No one is working with the SNP ever their demands are too great.
 
poolseasider said:
Right then to work with the SNP you'd have to royally piss of the Scottish Labour by promising another vote to gain a majority.
No one is working with the SNP ever their demands are too great.
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They represent themselves as a left wing national party - a bit like Sinn Fein do. For me, they're a one trick pony that would shatter Scotland and do much harm to England. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could piss on them.
 
poolseasider said:
Right then to work with the SNP you'd have to royally piss of the Scottish Labour by promising another vote to gain a majority.
No one is working with the SNP ever their demands are too great.
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If the alternative is a minority government then I am sure that Labour would find a way to work with them.
It's like when May had to bribe the DUP with 1 billion of tax payers money to get them on side - it's not great but it is the only option. Politics is the art of the possible.
 
Wizaard said:
Apparently he doesn't need to resign if there's no case to answer, despite what the Mail says.

Anyway, isn't there a war on and everyone should move on, but does that only apply to Tories?
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I couldn't give a flying feck whether Sir Keir resigns or not.

He was of the opinion that Boris should resign because he was under investigation.

Hypocrisy in politics shocker.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I couldn't give a flying feck whether Sir Keir resigns or not.

He was of the opinion that Boris should resign because he was under investigation.

Hypocrisy in politics shocker.
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No, he said Boris should resign because he'd broken his own laws. Which he had.

Is the new judicial system based on what the Mail puts on its front page?
 
Wizaard said:
No, he said Boris should resign because he'd broken his own laws. Which he had.

Is the new judicial system based on what the Mail puts on its front page?
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He also called for Sunak to resign who's tee total walked into the office and was handed a piece of cake!

Only saving grace with this if Starmer goes the blonde whopper will also have to go.
 
He should resign for rivalling San Marino footballing team as the worse opposition going.

Remember his video about the “recklessness” of opening back up in July last year and encouraging more school closures and lockdowns/firebreaks before he wanted Christmas shut down. So weak.

That should be the basis of him resigning not for forgetting to order the garlic naan’s.
 
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poolseasider said:
He also called for Sunak to resign who's tee total walked into the office and was handed a piece of cake!

Only saving grace with this if Starmer goes the blonde whopper will also have to go.
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He could take one for the team there. That said the blonde whopper would still probably cling on 🤬
 
Adams Kebab said:
He should resign for rivalling San Marino footballing team as the worse opposition going.

Remember his video about the “recklessness” of opening back up in July last year and encouraging more school closures and lockdowns/firebreaks before he wanted Christmas shut down. So weak.

That should be the basis of him resigning not for ordering for forgetting to order the garlic naan’s.
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Silly ** fought tooth and nail to remain restricted and/or locked down every step of the way. Now he's got the cheek to call them the PM's rules... Nah, you're taking the piss Keith. Time to go 👋🏻
 
Lost Seasider said:
Because he's spent the last 4 months demanding resignations from others for doing pretty much the same thing.

Starmer doesn't even have the excuse that he was running the government at the time.
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No but he was running an election campaign at the time.

Using the "Johnson defence" let's see what Durham Constab conclude. If he has broken the rules then he should and I expect will, resign.

Either way the Sue Gray, Met and Durham investigations need to conclude and report ASAP so that this can be put to bed.
 
No. Just like Boris he is a liar and a hypocrite and their behaviour in the light of what many had to endure by following the rules was abhorrent. If Boris can survive then KS should also. I feel it is time for the country to stop with this pre-occupation of parties, there are far more incredibly important issues facing the nation such as a war in Europe , threats of nuclear attack and the huge disparity in wealth . KS rather than endlessly going on about partygate needs to focus on these matters and formulating policies that can improve the lives of the many.
 
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