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[ElBurroSinNombre]

Yes agree.

And the marches wouldn’t be happening Braverman would still be Home Secretary and Cameron would still be in retirement had 07/10/23 not happened.
And more importantly over 10,000 people would still be alive today.

Braverman would have found a way to get sacked - it's part of her game plan. For her the marches were a useful cause which she knew would divide opinion. She exploited them for her own ends and inflamed the situation, putting police officers at risk.
Last week she said that homeless people should have their tents confiscated - another statement designed to attract attention and without the approval of the PM (and it's not a policy).
The next step is a leadership bid, it's not clear if that will be sooner or later.

 

[Archibald Knox]

“I will have more to say in due course.”

…she said, as she was kicked out of government with little ceremony.

That implies she is working on a blistering “resignation” speech, which is unlikely to be comfortable listening for Rish!

I am preparing the popcorn as we speak. This “blue-on-blue” action should be fun.

 

[Camberwell1]

I think she knows the Tories will be out of power for a while. She is appealing to all the extreme Tories, hoping they will bin Sunak and give her a few months as PM before a General Election, to get it on her CV, or possibly change the laws so there will be no more elections unless you are on a Suella approved list to vote.

Indeed — let’s hope she first booted out by her constituents or will they be bullied into voting for her ! ?
She broke the Ministerial Code so should never be allowed to be reappointed ever again ( that would apply to Civil Servants— same rules code. )

Her public friends on the Far Right tuned up to her rallying call of last week EFL types.
My biggest concern is the how this govnment functions :
No democracy —— the people have little or no say in anything, free speech, tor anyone. demonstrating etc is being outlawed at every turn - at dissenting voice is drowned
Installation of unelected key players (now Cameron) , 2 PMs etc etc jobs fo the Public Skool ‘Old Firm’& talentless people

Meanwhile wars go on around us and our Government applauds and defends the actions of countries ‘defending themselves’ - I t’s really standing black,, taking only the views of one side and allowing arguably one of the biggest pieces of ethnic clensing in my lifetime - the surprise is their closing stranglehold on the BBC allows us some of reality we have ‘no Gov comment’ on (whatsort OO brings r this nation?))

 

[20togo]

Indeed — let’s hope she first booted out by her constituents or will they be bullied into voting for her ! ?
She broke the Ministerial Code so should never be allowed to be reappointed ever again ( that would apply to Civil Servants— same rules code. )

Her public friends on the Far Right tuned up to her rallying call of last week EFL types.
My biggest concern is the how this govnment functions :
No democracy —— the people have little or no say in anything, free speech, tor anyone. demonstrating etc is being outlawed at every turn - at dissenting voice is drowned
Installation of unelected key players (now Cameron) , 2 PMs etc etc jobs fo the Public Skool ‘Old Firm’& talentless people

Meanwhile wars go on around us and our Government applauds and defends the actions of countries ‘defending themselves’ - I t’s really standing black,, taking only the views of one side and allowing arguably one of the biggest pieces of ethnic clensing in my lifetime - the surprise is their closing stranglehold on the BBC allows us some of reality we have ‘no Gov comment’ on (whatsort OO brings r this nation?))

The aim of Hamas is ethnic cleansing of the Jews or is that not relevant in your blinkered left wing view.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Let’s go back to the morning of 07/10/23 and the massacres carried out that’s what started all this FACT.

Or you could go back to 1948, and the creation of the state of Israel, and say that’s what started all this. Or point to Netanyahu’s funding and support of Hamas, and say that’s what started all this. I’m not by the way. Just pointing out that your argument has its limits.

At some point you have to stop making excuses for people and say that individuals are responsible for their own actions. Whether that’s the Hamas terrorists and their leaders, the airmen and soldiers in the IDF who drop the bombs and fire the artillery shells knowing they are killing children and the people who give the orders, the thugs who attacked the Cenotaph and the Home Secretary who incited them to do so.

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

Braverman would have found a way to get sacked - it's part of her game plan. For her the marches were a useful cause which she knew would divide opinion. She exploited them for her own ends and inflamed the situation, putting police officers at risk.
Last week she said that homeless people should have their tents confiscated - another statement designed to attract attention and without the approval of the PM (and it's not a policy).
The next step is a leadership bid, it's not clear if that will be sooner or later.

I do agree what you said earlier we haven’t seen the last of her.

 

[Lytham_fy8]

Nope, got a problem with that?

If so, well in your own words "FUCK OFF".

I suggest you stop being hypocritical?

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

Or you could go back to 1948, and the creation of the state of Israel, and say that’s what started all this. Or point to Netanyahu’s funding and support of Hamas, and say that’s what started all this. I’m not by the way. Just pointing out that your argument has its limits.

At some point you have to stop making excuses for people and say that individuals are responsible for their own actions. Whether that’s the Hamas terrorists and their leaders, the airmen and soldiers in the IDF who drop the bombs and fire the artillery shells knowing they are killing children and the people who give the orders, the thugs who attacked the Cenotaph and the Home Secretary who incited them to do so.

That’s typical of you going back 70 odd years.
Why don’t we go back even further to 1933 had someone assassinated Hitler before he became chancellor then 6 million Jews wouldn’t have been murdered and 20 million soldiers world wide wouldn’t have lost their lives in WW2.
It’s not an excuse it’s a fact what ignited this current situation it’s easy going back in history saying if only.

 

[Archibald Knox]

It all reminds me a little of the last days of Thatcher, with Braverman repeating the role of Geoffrey Howe in slipping the stiletto between the shoulder blades. Or emulating Michael Heseltine?

Next up, we will have Penny Mordaunt following in John Major’s footsteps as the compromise PM in the hope of uniting the Party. With all the RWNJs baying at the Moon. History repeats itself, first as tragedy, this time as farce.

We surely cannot have 4 Tory PMs within less than 4 years, can we?

 

[Lytham_fy8]

Good day for screwing over people under the radar.

Welfare cuts worth billions planned by ministers

The changes, affecting hundreds of thousands of people from 2025, would save £4bn in welfare payments.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[April13th1970]

The aim of Hamas is ethnic cleansing of the Jews or is that not relevant in your blinkered left wing view.

If as some suggest, the Israelis want to achieve ethnic cleansing of the Arabs, considering there were 160 thousand Israeli Arabs in 1948 and today there are over 2 million and in 1967 there were 1 million "Palestinians" and today there are 4.5 million, then the Israelis must be really incompetent at it

Let's take a look at the neighbouring Arab countries by comparison :-
Lebanon - 6000 Jews there in 1948, today about 100
Syria - 8 years ago = 30K Jews, now basically none
Egypt -,1940 = 70K Jews, today 3

So it's pretty clear that ther is ethnic cleansing taking place in the Middle East, but it's not by the Jews

 

[Mexboroseasider]

That’s typical of you going back 70 odd years.
Why don’t we go back even further to 1933 had someone assassinated Hitler before he became chancellor then 6 million Jews wouldn’t have been murdered and 20 million soldiers world wide wouldn’t have lost their lives in WW2.
It’s not an excuse it’s a fact what ignited this current situation it’s easy going back in history saying if only.

I also referred to Netanyahu supporting Hamas which is far more recent. But you’ve obviously ignored that.

Anyway my real point, which you’ve also ignored, is that ultimately people have to be responsible for their own actions. Even if you contort yourself into all sorts of shapes in your attempt to excuse them.

 

[ElBurroSinNombre]

It all reminds me a little of the last days of Thatcher, with Braverman repeating the role of Geoffrey Howe in slipping the stiletto between the shoulder blades. Or emulating Michael Heseltine?

Next up, we will have Penny Mordaunt following in John Major’s footsteps as the compromise PM in the hope of uniting the Party. With all the RWNJs baying at the Moon. History repeats itself, first as tragedy, this time as farce.

We surely cannot have 4 Tory PMs within less than 4 years, can we?

Surely Braverman hasn't got the numbers - Sunak wouldn't have sacked her if he thought she had. Mordant is a good shout, superficially looks good but perhaps lacks substance - what does she actually believe?

Interestingly, Cameron had a good relationship with Israel as PM, I wonder if that is what Sunak is thinking of in appointing him. And of course Cameron is already known to many of the actors and world leaders.

 

[TotallyTangerine]

Was it an unknown quantity? The Met Commissioner had the raw intel and he judged that, while it might be “messy” (his word), the police could handle it. On that basis he had no legal standing to ask Braverman to ban it. As I said earlier, the Commissioner has to comply with the law. He can’t just make it up as he goes along. And of course he was right.

Yes I agree with freedom of speech and thought and everyone has a right to an opinion. However not all opinions carry equal weight. For instance a few people still think the world is flat, which most people would think is a bit daft and totally ungrounded in reality. That’s why it’s perfectly fair to ask people to explain why they think what they do. It’s to test whether the opinion has any merit to it, and whether other people should take it on board (and maybe adjust their own thinking as a consequence). It’s how we get to something approximating the truth in debates like this. If people just say “I think it because I do”, that’s unlikely to persuade anyone to change their mind.

Yes but I’m not suggesting that the world is flat or indeed that the moon is made of cheese, rather I’m offering an opinion on a matter which is entirely subjective as opposed to objective. There is no right or wrong answer. The protest march was legal but it’s just that I didn’t agree with it being held on THAT particular day and think that the organisers should have rearranged it. The point I was making is that I don’t need you to agree with my thoughts and I’m not trying to convince you to either. My thoughts are mine and I’m entitled to them without justification..

 

[Mark_GT]

…she said, as she was kicked out of government with little ceremony.

That implies she is working on a blistering “resignation” speech, which is unlikely to be comfortable listening for Rish!

I am preparing the popcorn as we speak. This “blue-on-blue” action should be fun.

She overplayed her hand when she invoked the support of the plastic chair throwing brigade. That must go down as one of the worst looks for any Tory call to arms since Thatcher called in the Scouse coppers to batter the miners. Anyone for tofu?

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Yes but I’m not suggesting that the world is flat or indeed that the moon is made of cheese, rather I’m offering an opinion on a matter which is entirely subjective as opposed to objective. There is no right or wrong answer. The protest march was legal but it’s just that I didn’t agree with it being held on THAT particular day and think that the organisers should have rearranged it. The point I was making is that I don’t need you to agree with my thoughts and I’m not trying to convince you to either. My thoughts are mine and I’m entitled to them without justification..

Yes of course you’re entitled to your opinion. And in the same way other people are entitled to disagree with that opinion.

 

[20togo]

Or you could go back to 1948, and the creation of the state of Israel, and say that’s what started all this. Or point to Netanyahu’s funding and support of Hamas, and say that’s what started all this. I’m not by the way. Just pointing out that your argument has its limits.

At some point you have to stop making excuses for people and say that individuals are responsible for their own actions. Whether that’s the Hamas terrorists and their leaders, the airmen and soldiers in the IDF who drop the bombs and fire the artillery shells knowing they are killing children and the people who give the orders, the thugs who attacked the Cenotaph and the Home Secretary who incited them to do so.

are you making things up? Were the right wing thugs going to attack the Cenotaph or protect it from attack, vandalism and desecration? It would seem odd if it were the former.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

are you making things up? Were the right wing thugs going to attack the Cenotaph or protect it from attack? It would seem odd if it were the former.

Nope. Not making things up.

Why did they need it to protect it? That was the job of the police surely? And anyway the peace march was two miles away and started after Saturday’s ceremony had ended. So who were they protecting it against?

And bearing in mind the right wing thugs threw bottles and other missiles at the police (who were defending the Cenotaph) I’d say “attack” is probably the right word. Certainly better than “protect” anyway.

Weird response from someone who supposedly believes the Cenotaph is sacrosanct.

 

[Camberwell1]

The aim of Hamas is ethnic cleansing of the Jews or is that not relevant in your blinkered left wing view.

I and most of the world understand who and what Hamas is about - my post was about the Gov and shameful former Home Sec

 

[20togo]

Nope. Not making things up.

Why did they need it to protect it? That was the job of the police surely? And anyway the peace march was two miles away and started after Saturday’s ceremony had ended. So who were they protecting it against?

And bearing in mind the right wing thugs threw bottles and other missiles at the police (who were defending the Cenotaph) I’d say “attack” is probably the right word. Certainly better than “protect” anyway.

Weird response from someone who supposedly believes the Cenotaph is sacrosanct.

Of course it's the job of the police is to protect it but we already know that at least one other cenotaph was daubed with graffiti. The right wing thugs have their own agenda and attacking police is part and parcel of it. But were they going to the cenotaph to deface it and daub it. I think not. In their own warped minds they think they were going to do the right thing and defend it from potential attack by those on the other march.

 

[Sven]

it's a fact that in a vote last March, Palestinians voted in favour of an armed struggle. And you say all of the above shows a disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians. Care to show me any post of yours where you've condemned the actions of Hamas on 7/10 and their disregard for the lives of Israeli civilians? Fact is you haven't so spare me your hypocrisy and your moral judgement of others.

I think condemnation of Hamas goes without saying to be honest. If you’re asking if I condemn those attacks then of course I do, I’ve never been asked that before so haven’t felt the need to state the obvious.

What I disagree with is the collective punishment of Palestinians by the Israeli state and I think it will help the likes of Hamas in the long run.

There’s also the war crimes which don’t seem to apply to Israel for some reason.

 

[Lala]

Please explain why you feel it was disrespectful.

The march was held yesterday. The main Remembrance Day event is today. It’s on TV now.

Yes there was a ceremony held yesterday to mark 11/11/11, but the march started several hours afterwards and the nearest it came to the Cenotaph was about 2 miles away. The troublemakers who caused all the aggravation at the Cenotaph were right wing racists and thugs. What were they even doing in Whitehall when the march they were protesting against was miles away? Why did they feel the need to throw missiles at the police and storm the barriers? And why are the peace protesters in any way responsible for their actions?

And if a peace march which had nothing to do with Remembrance Day was disrespectful, why weren’t the football matches that were held around the country also disrespectful?

Anyway, if it was only a question of timing, will you be joining the peace marchers next weekend?

It was highly divisive as it took over the whole news focus of the weekend, like most of us knew it would. Including the protesters. A day that was meant for peaceful remembrance and respect for those who have already died bloody and brutal deaths for our freedoms. Lots of them barely out of childhood themselves.


I’m suggesting a change of day…… one change of day.

Really too much ? I don’t think so.

And yes, I would love the bombing of innocent Palestinians to end. But I would have still exercised a bit more decorum when arranging a central London day of protest.

 

[Archibald Knox]

She overplayed her hand when she invoked the support of the plastic chair throwing brigade. That must go down as one of the worst looks for any Tory call to arms since Thatcher called in the Scouse coppers to batter the miners. Anyone for tofu?

“Plastic chair throwing brigade”. Brilliant. Very Pythonist. They will be practising hand-to-hand combat armed with vegetables next.

 

[20togo]

I think condemnation of Hamas goes without saying to be honest. If you’re asking if I condemn those attacks then of course I do, I’ve never been asked that before so haven’t felt the need to state the obvious.

What I disagree with is the collective punishment of Palestinians by the Israeli state and I think it will help the likes of Hamas in the long run.

There’s also the war crimes which don’t seem to apply to Israel for some reason.

It goes without saying but pretty much everyone here on both sides of the debate have said it except you.

 

[20togo]

If as some suggest, the Israelis want to achieve ethnic cleansing of the Arabs, considering there were 160 thousand Israeli Arabs in 1948 and today there are over 2 million and in 1967 there were 1 million "Palestinians" and today there are 4.5 million, then the Israelis must be really incompetent at it

Let's take a look at the neighbouring Arab countries by comparison :-
Lebanon - 6000 Jews there in 1948, today about 100
Syria - 8 years ago = 30K Jews, now basically none
Egypt -,1940 = 70K Jews, today 3

So it's pretty clear that ther is ethnic cleansing taking place in the Middle East, but it's not by the Jews

Seems no one on here wants to debate or comment on the point you've made.

 

[20togo]

I and most of the world understand who and what Hamas is about - my post was about the Gov and shameful former Home Sec

but you then ventured into something else when you mentioned ethnic cleansing so it's only reasonable to point out the aims of Hamas then.

 

[1966_and_all_that]

“Plastic chair throwing brigade”. Brilliant. Very Pythonist. They will be practising hand-to-hand combat armed with vegetables next.

I'd go for face-slapping with cod.

 

[Macseasider]

Good day for screwing over people under the radar.

Welfare cuts worth billions planned by ministers

The changes, affecting hundreds of thousands of people from 2025, would save £4bn in welfare payments.

www.bbc.co.uk

Just fishing for votes again using the poor as scapagoats. Tried and tested.

Thankfully there won't be Tory ministers in 2025 to implement it.

 

[C_C_C_Cider]

Sacked for speaking the truth.

 

[Macseasider]

Sacked for speaking the truth.

Speaking the truth? She was the Home Secretary FFS! She was their boss! If she felt the Met discriminated then it was HER JOB to sort it out in private, NOT in a public Times newspaper article that she was privately paid for!

 

[Shandypants]

Sacked for speaking the truth.

What an utterly ridiculous comment.

 

[Junior_BentsPlatformShoes]

There is a quiet revolution around the corner. The great British public wants a politician who not only promises solutions to the country's many issues but who actually takes practical steps to achieve those solutions. The noisy minority seems to be imposing its extreme views on this country while the silent majority sits back in fearful acceptance of the gradual yet incessant disintegration of its rights and traditional way of life.

Keir Starmer cannot possibly resolve the country's problems. He seems to have difficulty deciding which shoe lace to fasten first. I have never seen a politician so uncertain about which policies he should adopt. Rishi shapes up better but is frightened of offending the noisy minority. Braverman is the first politician for a long time who shows a genuine courage of her convictions. The fact that she winds up the LWNJs is sufficient proof to me that she's getting her job done.

Anyone that uses 'LWNJ's when discussing politics loses the argument. Leaving party politics aside, she was a waste of space. Resigned after sending out confidential emails, then back in the job publicly slates the police force in a column she gets paid to write. She proved to be clueless. There is an issue with economic migrants and illegal immigrants I'd agree, but she isn't the one to sort it out. The flights to Rwanda and the floating holding boat have been great haven't they? Perhaps having a politician who is able to tackle things properly at policy level rather that spouting shite in a national paper and having useless initiatives would be better. Unfortunately, there is a dearth of intelligent politicians not angling to further themselves, as Cameron's return shows.

 

[Brazil]

I respectively disagree.

The far right have for some weeks now been planning a counter protest long before Braverman opened her Gob.

I watched a Tommy Robinson video on I think YouTube but not 100% sure where he was rallying the troops to go to London for a counter march like I said long before Braverman spoke those words so that Person you refer (Ex policeman) is incorrect in what he says.

Don’t believe everything you read/watch.

I'd rather believe a deputy chief of Met operations than others. Your last sentence is quite apposite as my suggestion to you.. Thanks.

 

[Brazil]

but surely their intention in their minds was to get to Cenotaph to protect it, not vandalise it. That's not to say they were intent on causing trouble because they clearly were. I'll also make this point so my views are pretty clear. ALL those right extremists were there to cause trouble. The overwhelming vast majority of the marchers were peaceful protesters. But that march shouldn't have gone ahead for the reasons I've mentioned.

Thank you.

 

[kerrytangerine]

This thread rather epitomises what this message board has become: a load of deaf old men shouting at each other ( with one or two honourable exceptions). Shame; it used to be a civilised forum, no longer it seems.

 

[Matesrates]

This thread rather epitomises what this message board has become: a load of deaf old men shouting at each other ( with one or two honourable exceptions). Shame; it used to be a civilised forum, no longer it seems.

I’d like to think I’m an honourable exception

 

[Camberwell1]

but you then ventured into something else when you mentioned ethnic cleansing so it's only reasonable to point out the aims of Hamas then.

Yes but its only being committed by one side (now) in unacceptably depressing numbers isn't it?

Well certainly a challenge for the new Foreign Secretary and his old school pals get me a job system - let's see if he can stop the mess or maintain the Status Quo of sitting back and let anyone do anything to anyone

Have a lovely evening all

 

[JJpool]

Sacked for speaking the truth.

There's definitely been 2 tier policing on some issues that's for sure.

Infact some of it is discussed here. Some of the BLM protests got very violent but the police treated that completely differently.

 

[Lytham_fy8]

This thread rather epitomises what this message board has become: a load of deaf old men shouting at each other ( with one or two honourable exceptions). Shame; it used to be a civilised forum, no longer it seems.

Amen.

 

[Junior_BentsPlatformShoes]

I’m not deaf.

 

[Matesrates]

I’m not deaf.

What.

 

[Bisphamtang]

I respectively disagree.

The far right have for some weeks now been planning a counter protest long before Braverman opened her Gob.

I watched a Tommy Robinson video on I think YouTube but not 100% sure where he was rallying the troops to go to London for a counter march like I said long before Braverman spoke those words so that Person you refer (Ex policeman) is incorrect in what he says.

Don’t believe everything you read/watch.

Tommy rallying which troops ?? Get the fk outta here

 

[Bisphamtang]

I have no idea what ghe answer is to ghus very difficult and complicated situation

Hamas are terrorists and I'm quite happy to see them destroyed but Israel are lashing out in ,understandable anger but the collateral damage I.e dead civilians is way too high a price

Tommy Robindon ffs ?!

 

[kerrytangerine]

I’m not deaf.

You are one of the hon. exceptions

 

[JJpool]

There's been some completely biased reporting throughout this. Certain sections of media also seem to want to label everyone there as 'far right'.

Found this guys channel posted in the comments section of YouTube.

He did a full live stream of remembrance day, with a certain mr Robinson on it too, looked pretty respectful from almost all to me and clearly there's been more lies in some parts about who instigated what trouble. Clearly some narratives being pushed.

ð¨ LIVE: British Patriots Come To DEFEND Remembrance Day

Support our media revolution by becoming a member ð https://tousitv.locals.comSupport Mahyar via PayPal: http://paypal.me/mahyartousi88Get your own patriot...

www.youtube.com

Not sure who was clashing, where or why, probably people who wanted to be let through closed routes and were kettled away, but looked a tiny minority and in a different place compared to these crowds actually at the cenotaph. They'll always be a small minority of idiots who can get the majority labelled.

 

[20togo]

If as some suggest, the Israelis want to achieve ethnic cleansing of the Arabs, considering there were 160 thousand Israeli Arabs in 1948 and today there are over 2 million and in 1967 there were 1 million "Palestinians" and today there are 4.5 million, then the Israelis must be really incompetent at it

Let's take a look at the neighbouring Arab countries by comparison :-
Lebanon - 6000 Jews there in 1948, today about 100
Syria - 8 years ago = 30K Jews, now basically none
Egypt -,1940 = 70K Jews, today 3

So it's pretty clear that ther is ethnic cleansing taking place in the Middle East, but it's not by the Jews

over twelve hours later, anyone got any comments on Aprils post? Wouldn't want me to think there's some sub conscious anti semitism at play here. After all, the left has a long standing history for it and some on here are very much left of centre.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

over twelve hours later, anyone got any comments on Aprils post? Wouldn't want me to think there's some sub conscious anti semitism at play here. After all, the left has a long standing history for it and some on here are very much left of centre.

Go on then I’ll bite.

While I haven’t verified April’s figures, I think it’s accepted by everyone that some Arabs and some Arab states are anti semitic. Has anyone on here ever claimed otherwise? If they have then please copy the post. On a personal note, one of my favourite clients was an Iraqi Jew who, along with his brother, was chased out of his country by the Shah in the 1950s. So I’m well aware of the attitudes Arab countries have, and still have, to Jews. It’s not that long ago (and it still exists now but not as blatantly) that a lot of European countries were the same. Incidentally my client became very wealthy and donated millions of pounds to his local NHS Trust as a way of thanking the U.K. for providing a home to him and his brother. No doubt there’d be some on here who’d have refused entry to them had they tried to get into the U.K. now. Refugees are all sponging scum etc.

As for Israel and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, well two comments.

You yourself have repeatedly condemned the way Israeli settlers have stolen land off Arabs on the West Bank and said it should be stopped and the settlers should be removed. So you’ve acknowledged that it is happening. The fact of the matter is that it’s unofficial government policy to encourage that sort of ethnic cleansing.

Secondly you’ve also repeatedly said you have a concern that Israel’s aim in Gaza may be to push all the Palestinians out, into Egypt or elsewhere. It’s an objective that’s been applauded by some on avftt. I assume you stand by your previous comments and would condemn any such action as ethnic cleansing?

 

[Shandypants]

Go on then I’ll bite.

While I haven’t verified April’s figures, I think it’s accepted by everyone that some Arabs and some Arab states are anti semitic. Has anyone on here ever claimed otherwise? If they have then please copy the post. On a personal note, one of my favourite clients was an Iraqi Jew who, along with his brother, was chased out of his country by the Shah in the 1950s. So I’m well aware of the attitudes Arab countries have, and still have, to Jews. It’s not that long ago (and it still exists now but not as blatantly) that a lot of European countries were the same. Incidentally my client became very wealthy and donated millions of pounds to his local NHS Trust as a way of thanking the U.K. for providing a home to him and his brother. No doubt there’d be some on here who’d have refused entry to them had they tried to get into the U.K. now. Refugees are all sponging scum etc.

As for Israel and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, well two comments.

You yourself have repeatedly condemned the way Israeli settlers have stolen land off Arabs on the West Bank and said it should be stopped and the settlers should be removed. So you’ve acknowledged that it is happening. The fact of the matter is that it’s unofficial government policy to encourage that sort of ethnic cleansing.

Secondly you’ve also repeatedly said you have a concern that Israel’s aim in Gaza may be to push all the Palestinians out, into Egypt or elsewhere. It’s an objective that’s been applauded by some on avftt. I assume you stand by your previous comments and would condemn any such action as ethnic cleansing?

Honestly you shouldn't have bothered, he's self confessed to having zero interest in politics.

 

[April13th1970]

I'd go for face-slapping with cod.

 

[20togo]

Go on then I’ll bite.

While I haven’t verified April’s figures, I think it’s accepted by everyone that some Arabs and some Arab states are anti semitic. Has anyone on here ever claimed otherwise? If they have then please copy the post. On a personal note, one of my favourite clients was an Iraqi Jew who, along with his brother, was chased out of his country by the Shah in the 1950s. So I’m well aware of the attitudes Arab countries have, and still have, to Jews. It’s not that long ago (and it still exists now but not as blatantly) that a lot of European countries were the same. Incidentally my client became very wealthy and donated millions of pounds to his local NHS Trust as a way of thanking the U.K. for providing a home to him and his brother. No doubt there’d be some on here who’d have refused entry to them had they tried to get into the U.K. now. Refugees are all sponging scum etc.

As for Israel and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, well two comments.

You yourself have repeatedly condemned the way Israeli settlers have stolen land off Arabs on the West Bank and said it should be stopped and the settlers should be removed. So you’ve acknowledged that it is happening. The fact of the matter is that it’s unofficial government policy to encourage that sort of ethnic cleansing.

Secondly you’ve also repeatedly said you have a concern that Israel’s aim in Gaza may be to push all the Palestinians out, into Egypt or elsewhere. It’s an objective that’s been applauded by some on avftt. I assume you stand by your previous comments and would condemn any such action as ethnic cleansing?

no, i don't know about the accuracy of the figures but take them at face value. Yep, I do condemn the Israeli settlers and if as such things get back to any sort of normality and smiliarity then it's an issue that needs addressing and firm action happening. And yes, as I've said i do have concerns over Israels intentions for Gaza and the possible continued occupation of the land. I understand their need to seek out and eliminate if possible Hamas but assuming that Israels intentions are honourable it does beg the question of what would the Gazan people be returning too. A flattened wasteland. So Israel needs to be accountable and playing a major role in restoring the landscape of Gaza to normality.

Now all that said, you didn't really address my point.