The booing/groans just before the 3rd goal..

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Lanc_seasider

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Stupid. The majority of our games this season, especially at home, will be against sides that will plant 11 men behind the ball. 2-0 up, controlling the game, keeping the ball and there’s audible boos because we turned round and recycled possession which ultimately dragged them across the pitch and helped us to our third goal.

The booing and groans will lead to the less head-strong players forcing passes, making mistakes it’s completely unhelpful and counter-productive.
 
Lanc_seasider said:
Stupid. The majority of our games this season, especially at home, will be against sides that will plant 11 men behind the ball. 2-0 up, controlling the game, keeping the ball and there’s audible boos because we turned round and recycled possession which ultimately dragged them across the pitch and helped us to our third goal.

The booing and groans will lead to the less head-strong players forcing passes, making mistakes it’s completely unhelpful and counter-productive.
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I noticed Critchley tried to educate some of the BWs about this in his after match interview.
I think I counted 29 passes, punctuated only by a Stevenage half- tackle, in the lead up to CJ’s goal.
Lovely stuff.
 
I agree with your points and yes we were patient in possession but I also thought that we still played at a quicker tempo too with our passing. And that was vital for reasons like that third goal. Slower more patient passing just allows their players to get in shape which of course they couldn't do with our third goal. Said it elsewhere, it was that turn on the ball by whoever which caused them the problems not giving them time.
 
Lanc_seasider said:
Stupid. The majority of our games this season, especially at home, will be against sides that will plant 11 men behind the ball. 2-0 up, controlling the game, keeping the ball and there’s audible boos because we turned round and recycled possession which ultimately dragged them across the pitch and helped us to our third goal.

The booing and groans will lead to the less head-strong players forcing passes, making mistakes it’s completely unhelpful and counter-productive.
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i think you’re right Lanc. Must admit i have been frustrated (but certainly not boo’ed) but that’s the way Critch wants us to play and to be fair makes total sense. I like the way he’s come out and said. It will only get better as the season progresses as well 👍
 
Can never understand it. We have the ball and we trying to create space. I’m sure the players here it and that can only lead to a mistake when trying to rush things. That 3rd goal was a result of opening them up me what a great goal it was. More please
 
20togo said:
I agree with your points and yes we were patient in possession but I also thought that we still played at a quicker tempo too with our passing. And that was vital for reasons like that third goal. Slower more patient passing just allows their players to get in shape which of course they couldn't do with our third goal. Said it elsewhere, it was that turn on the ball by whoever which caused them the problems not giving them time.
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16, so Rhodes who played CJ in, if that's what you're talking about.
 
Lost Seasider said:
16, so Rhodes who played CJ in, if that's what you're talking about.
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no, the other side of the pitch where one of our players received a short pass from out wide and turned on the ball laying it across the pitch to another. Just had a look, it was Morgan or Norburn.
 
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I didn't hear any booing but there was definitely a fair few audible groans and shouts from around me in block E. Quickly turned to Cheers when we scored starting from the back. Nowt as fickle as football fans.
 
20togo said:
I agree with your points and yes we were patient in possession but I also thought that we still played at a quicker tempo too with our passing. And that was vital for reasons like that third goal. Slower more patient passing just allows their players to get in shape which of course they couldn't do with our third goal. Said it elsewhere, it was that turn on the ball by whoever which caused them the problems not giving them time.
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Rhodesplayed that pass.....the point is, to get to that point you need the ball in your possession. Getting it forward to isolated players just creates turnover of possession.
The third goal showed brilliantly what patience can achieve.
They had 9 men behind the ball and that's incredibly difficult to play through.
On Tuesday as well as yesterday, the ball was moving a lot quicker and that can only be good.
 
Ginge 2 said:
Rhodesplayed that pass.....the point is, to get to that point you need the ball in your possession. Getting it forward to isolated players just creates turnover of possession.
The third goal showed brilliantly what patience can achieve.
They had 9 men behind the ball and that's incredibly difficult to play through.
On Tuesday as well as yesterday, the ball was moving a lot quicker and that can only be good.
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see my previous post. Not talking about Rhodes pass which of course was excellent. I'm talking about the ball when it was on the other side of the pitch. The guy on the touchline knocks a return pass back to Morgan who then lays it off to Norburn who is facing back towards our goal. He turns sharply and then lays it off to the man who then lays it off to Hamilton who then plays the 1-2 with Rhodes. Sorry, getting a bit long winded here. Just trying to say that our player was positive on the ball rather than choosing a safe backward option. That turn and quick lay off of the ball meant we were able to expose their lack of cover down their left hand side.
 
Lanc_seasider said:
Stupid. The majority of our games this season, especially at home, will be against sides that will plant 11 men behind the ball. 2-0 up, controlling the game, keeping the ball and there’s audible boos because we turned round and recycled possession which ultimately dragged them across the pitch and helped us to our third goal.

The booing and groans will lead to the less head-strong players forcing passes, making mistakes it’s completely unhelpful and counter-productive.
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I think you have a point and in my opinion fans should never boo their own players ,but I understand why some do it , as it is so frustrating when you can see players making runs or are in space and we still seem to go backwards or sideways.
 
Goes back to whoever through that item through the coach window - we have a section of brainless idiots and people should be pointing them out.
 
I couldn't make it, how prominent were the groans? The video the club put on of the build up everyone was doing the "olè, ooooohhhhh, olè"
 
I think the amount of moaning and groaning at the game is inversely proportional to the amount of moaning and groaning in the bedroom for each crowd member.

So the West is likely to have more 👍
 
Just read an article on bbc football about Guardiola and De Zerbi, they both have similar ideas on how the game should be played and circulating it around midfield until the killer pass can be played is the key.
Good to watch if its done at a quicker tempo and you appreciate why they are doing it.
Not everybody has the attention span for that type of football, I guess it happens in other areas of life as well, some like things to be uncomplicated, fast moving and obvious, others like thoughtful, nuanced, skilful and interesting.
 
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I have to say that I've been frustrated by critchley recently but that goal was a thing of rare beauty. I counted 27 passes, in the passage of play directly leading to CJs goal and 16 and 29 odd in the two passages of play prior, broken by a Stevenage clearance and a half tackle
 
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gjr said:
Just read an article on bbc football about Guardiola and De Zerbi, they both have similar ideas on how the game should be played and circulating it around midfield until the killer pass can be played is the key.
Good to watch if its done at a quicker tempo and you appreciate why they are doing it.
Not everybody has the attention span for that type of football, I guess it happens in other areas of life as well, some like things to be uncomplicated, fast moving and obvious, others like thoughtful, nuanced, skilful and interesting.
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That’s fair enough, but they are working with far better players (the best in the world in Pep’s case). I’m not sure if we have the player who can play that killer pass (I think/hope Weir might be the man given a run of games). Clearly we have threats down each side (although I’d much prefer CJ on the left), but I’m not sure endlessly recycling the ball will create an opening without that ‘final pass’ player.
 
Qblock said:
That’s fair enough, but they are working with far better players (the best in the world in Pep’s case). I’m not sure if we have the player who can play that killer pass (I think/hope Weir might be the man given a run of games). Clearly we have threats down each side (although I’d much prefer CJ on the left), but I’m not sure endlessly recycling the ball will create an opening without that ‘final pass’ player.
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Rhodes did a good job of playing the final pass, I think Dembele probably has that ability. In theory Weir, Carey and Morgan should all be able to play one on a regular basis. Dougall and Norburn also have their moments of quality.
It's all relative, obviously our midfield players are nowhere near as good as City or Brightons but the defenders they come up against aren"t premier league standard either so that levels out.
The idea is that the final pass, run and finish can be coached with a lot of hard work but I can also see your point.
I think the key is patience on the part of the fans.
 
gjr said:
Rhodes did a good job of playing the final pass, I think Dembele probably has that ability. In theory Weir, Carey and Morgan should all be able to play one on a regular basis. Dougall and Norburn also have their moments of quality.
It's all relative, obviously our midfield players are nowhere near as good as City or Brightons but the defenders they come up against aren"t premier league standard either so that levels out.
The idea is that the final pass, run and finish can be coached with a lot of hard work but I can also see your point.
I think the key is patience on the part of the fans.
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Forgot about Dembele, yes I think he definitely has it.
Carey definitely doesn’t have it, he drifts around the edge of the game without ever really influencing it. Weir hopefully, and Morgan probably needs more time. I like both Kenny and Norburn, but deeper than that final pass player.
Guess what I’d really like is the next Charlie or Richie, but they’re not easy to find!
 
20togo said:
I agree with your points and yes we were patient in possession but I also thought that we still played at a quicker tempo too with our passing. And that was vital for reasons like that third goal. Slower more patient passing just allows their players to get in shape which of course they couldn't do with our third goal. Said it elsewhere, it was that turn on the ball by whoever which caused them the problems not giving them time.
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Indeed and that quicker tempo comes with confidence and if results continue to go well we’ll get better and better - we’re looking a lot more settled than a month ago
 
Qblock said:
Forgot about Dembele, yes I think he definitely has it.
Carey definitely doesn’t have it, he drifts around the edge of the game without ever really influencing it. Weir hopefully, and Morgan probably needs more time. I like both Kenny and Norburn, but deeper than that final pass player.
Guess what I’d really like is the next Charlie or Richie, but they’re not easy to find!
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I'm not Careys biggest fan either but Critchley must see something in him, hopefully we get to see it at some stage!
 
Lanc_seasider said:
Stupid. The majority of our games this season, especially at home, will be against sides that will plant 11 men behind the ball. 2-0 up, controlling the game, keeping the ball and there’s audible boos because we turned round and recycled possession which ultimately dragged them across the pitch and helped us to our third goal.

The booing and groans will lead to the less head-strong players forcing passes, making mistakes it’s completely unhelpful and counter-productive.
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Old_Laytonian said:
Were there any shouts of " stop fannying about and launch it"?
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Get it forward!!! Oh ffs! Don't give it Hamilton!! Good ball!! What a pass, goo on!! Yes yesss!! Eeeyeeessssss!!
 
Moaning fans? I despair reading back of any of the match day threads, it seems by nature most people are pessimists and lacking in joy?
 
TangerinePeel said:
I couldn't make it, how prominent were the groans? The video the club put on of the build up everyone was doing the "olè, ooooohhhhh, olè"
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I think the Oles started to drown out those who were moaning to get it forward tbh, as a guy near me was shaking his head at someone who screamed “Get it fecking forward, not back” and started the Ole which many surrounding joined in with
 
I don’t mind the passing across the back and being patient but I don’t like it when it ends up with a big hoof upfield which was happening earlier in the season
 
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