The disrespect to Chris Maxwell is poor.

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MeanLeanTangerineMachine

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This guy was player of the year during our promotion season.

Cast your minds back to last season when he got injured, the overwhelming emotion was sh*t we are going to miss him. Grimmy came in and did an outstanding job and kept the number 1 for this season. He did well at times this season, but did have a couple of dodgy moments. Swapped in Maxwell and he has also done well at times and had a couple of dodgy moments.

Really, I see little difference between the two this season, but can certainly sympathise with the argument that Grimmy should play because he is younger and likely to be worth money in the future.

I just don't get the pure hatred to some of our own players by some. Of course he made an error for the penalty, but there were some trying to claim it was his fault for the 1st - ridiculous.

GK is the least of our problems
 
The first was a good save initially,okay he’s palmed it into danger with his left hand but I can’t blame him for that.It was a good save considering the Watford man could’ve put it either side and max got what he could on it.
 
A defence needs a competent keeper who steadies the players in front of him. Sadly, Maxwell doesn't instill confidence in anyone. He might be a good shot stopper but he's no better than Grimshaw and I would give Grimshaw the shirt as he has the potential to improve, Maxwell is an ageing keeper on the way down.
 
MeanLeanTangerineMachine said:
This guy was player of the year during our promotion season.

Cast your minds back to last season when he got injured, the overwhelming emotion was sh*t we are going to miss him. Grimmy came in and did an outstanding job and kept the number 1 for this season. He did well at times this season, but did have a couple of dodgy moments. Swapped in Maxwell and he has also done well at times and had a couple of dodgy moments.

Really, I see little difference between the two this season, but can certainly sympathise with the argument that Grimmy should play because he is younger and likely to be worth money in the future.

I just don't get the pure hatred to some of our own players by some. Of course he made an error for the penalty, but there were some trying to claim it was his fault for the 1st - ridiculous.

GK is the least of our problems
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League 1 is his level that's why he looked good there and he needs to get back there(not with us).
He is a Subbuteo keeper with a shorter stick that an actual Subbuteo keeper.....
 
It's no use making 2 good saves if you then go and make a bollox of things and give them a goal. He had no need to come out which he usually never does anyway as the player was going wide and 2 were covering back.
 
Some of the comments made about Maxwell are poor whom is a decent keeper. Personally feel Grimshaw is a better keeper and so understand the frustration of those who believe he should be first choice.
 
Grimshaw is the future. A future which is looking bleaker by the game with Maxwell in goal he made a complete bollocks of coming out and was very lucky or unlucky dependant on your view to not get sent off
On the subject of our manager ,he,s been given the tools I.e Bowler who grew into the game today and the Man City lad who made a good fist of it but???
 
MeanLeanTangerineMachine said:
This guy was player of the year during our promotion season.

Cast your minds back to last season when he got injured, the overwhelming emotion was sh*t we are going to miss him. Grimmy came in and did an outstanding job and kept the number 1 for this season. He did well at times this season, but did have a couple of dodgy moments. Swapped in Maxwell and he has also done well at times and had a couple of dodgy moments.

Really, I see little difference between the two this season, but can certainly sympathise with the argument that Grimmy should play because he is younger and likely to be worth money in the future.

I just don't get the pure hatred to some of our own players by some. Of course he made an error for the penalty, but there were some trying to claim it was his fault for the 1st - ridiculous.

GK is the least of our problems
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I have no animosity towards him, but on the commentary they did say he could have done better.
 
TangerineArmy said:
He did two great saves today. But would still have grimmy in nets
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He had a mixed bag today, flapped at the cross and palmed into danger for them to hit the bar, you want you keeper to clear or catch it.

Came steaming out and gave the pen.

Made a decent stop with his foot for one, had to read it and did, it's one you want your keeper to make.

For thier 1st goal he saves it and it bounces into play again, not blaming him but it happens a bit too much for my liking.
 
Maxwell is a decent league one keeper / backup championship keeper. Nothing in his career would suggest he’s any better or going to get any better. He’s never really (bar a period at Fleetwood) been a number 1. He was on the verge of going to Everton to never play and be the sensible grown up to mentor youngsters and sail off into retirement in the summer. Grimshaw is a player with potential who has shown he’s quality at this level and was rumoured to be getting decent bids for in the summer. He should be our nailed on number one who we build the team around before making a rosy profit.
 
I don’t think it matters who you have in the sticks. Happy with Maxwell, Happy with Grimmy. Just be thankful it’s not Richard Kingson.
 
No issues with Maxi, he's not as good as Grimshaw in my opinion but have nothing but respect for the guy. Our main issue is the bald headed nob picking the team, powder puff midfield and 1 dimensional tactics.
 
I've seen barely anyone saying Maxwell is terrible or whatever? Simply that Grimshaw is just better at just about everything bar leadership and communication.
 
chrisatherton054 said:
Quick google show he’s played 111 games in the championship.. But he’s a league one player. Right then
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He had two seasons as Preston’s number one, playing 38 and 30 league games in the Championship in 2016/17 and 2017/18 (plus eight after being dropped). He’s then played 21 last year for us, and 12 so far this season. So out of a career that started in 2008, he’s had two seasons in the championship as a number one, bar this season. For comparison, Paul Rachubka played 121 Championship games, plus three premier league games.
 
I think the inconsistency in the reasoning behind swapping keepers is the thing for me.
When MA dropped Grimshaw he said “I just felt he needed a little bit of a break, he obviously had a couple of indifferent games which is fair enough, that can happen.”

I think the same logic should be applied to Maxwell whilst he is no1.
I can think of West Brom, Boro at home, as a couple of indifferent games, and today I felt he got away very early doors with a poor flap at a cross from their corner which resulted in them hitting the bar.
I agree he made a good save with his feet however having watched their first goal a couple of times now I can't help but think he palmed that shot back in to the danger area.
The penalty is a simply awful decision. If he had been watching the ball then he could have collected it with his hands, as it turned out he gave the ref an easy decision to make.

I acknowledge goalies errors are highlighted more than any other position, however for me, and based on recent performances, Grimmy should now be given his chance in the starting 11.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I've seen barely anyone saying Maxwell is terrible or whatever? Simply that Grimshaw is just better at just about everything bar leadership and communication.
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Yep and those things he can and would improve at, I think he communicates fine tbh. Some of Maxwells communicating doesn't stop soft goals anyway.

He's quicker off his line, better at crosses, he punches them away more. Faster reflexes so saves more shots in and around him.

Things like decision making can and will improve over time.
 
He nearly cost us a goal in the first minutes when he failed to dominate his space and then flapped at one that their player whacked against the bar. Did no-one else think that was typical of our goalkeeping this season? Grimmy has been no better in that respect. TBH if Forest had bothered to do any homework they would have crowded the six yard box at every corner last week.
 
No disrespect intended, he's been one of the best keepers we've had in my lifetime 1. Banks 2. Gilks 3. Maxwell , he was integral to our promotion. But Grimshaw is better, younger and an asset which was on track to generate 2-5 million for the club, to not play him is absurd.
 
Mcewans Mullet said:
I think the inconsistency in the reasoning behind swapping keepers is the thing for me.
When MA dropped Grimshaw he said “I just felt he needed a little bit of a break, he obviously had a couple of indifferent games which is fair enough, that can happen.”

I think the same logic should be applied to Maxwell whilst he is no1.
I can think of West Brom, Boro at home, as a couple of indifferent games, and today I felt he got away very early doors with a poor flap at a cross from their corner which resulted in them hitting the bar.
I agree he made a good save with his feet however having watched their first goal a couple of times now I can't help but think he palmed that shot back in to the danger area.
The penalty is a simply awful decision. If he had been watching the ball then he could have collected it with his hands, as it turned out he gave the ref an easy decision to make.

I acknowledge goalies errors are highlighted more than any other position, however for me, and based on recent performances, Grimmy should now be given his chance in the starting 11.
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Sheff utd away he palmed into danger for their 2nd, their 1st was bundled right past him. He does let in a few in areas you want them saved.

The first goal he's maybe a bit unlucky as he saves it but yes palms it into danger. To make a good save it has to go safe, tip it over the bar or out wide, this instance may be a bit unfortunate but its happened a fair bit.

The pen was poor play.
 
Make the Pass said:
A defence needs a competent keeper who steadies the players in front of him. Sadly, Maxwell doesn't instill confidence in anyone. He might be a good shot stopper but he's no better than Grimshaw and I would give Grimshaw the shirt as he has the potential to improve, Maxwell is an ageing keeper on the way down.
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Yep, the last part of that is reasonable and fair. Grimshaw is the future and Maxwell isn't. But the condemnation Maxwell gets is ridiculous.
 
JJpool said:
Sheff utd away he palmed into danger for their 2nd, their 1st was bundled right past him. He does let in a few in areas you want them saved.

The first goal he's maybe a bit unlucky as he saves it but yes palms it into danger. To make a good save it has to go safe, tip it over the bar or out wide, this instance may be a bit unfortunate but its happened a fair bit.

The pen was poor play.
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Rotherham away.
 
20togo said:
Rotherham away.
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I presume you're posting some random counter about Grimmy when he had a poor game. Which I will never deny nor won't I criticise him when he makes shit errors.

However he was dropped for his couple of mistakes, Maxwell doesn't seem to ever be dropped when he makes them, which he seems to do far more frequently.
 
20togo said:
Rotherham away.
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Also I have just watched the Rotherham highlights back, Grimmy made 1 mistake in that game from a long range shot which he palmed into play and paid the price.

Not massively dissimilar to how maxwell just palmed into play last game, although his was hit from closer and was harder, but he also made a mess from the corner too.

So I really don't get this Grimmy hate for the Rotherham game. He made 1 error in it.

The first goal he absolutely no chance at.
 
Seaseaseasider said:
To be honest I think both Maxwell and Grimshaw are not Championship standard. I think they are both too short which puts us under massive pressure whenever the opposition gets a set piece.
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You have absolutely nailed it.
Maxwell often reminds me of Paul Rachubka with his inability to make a save safely . Often he pushes the ball into a dangerous area rather than palming over the bar or round the post .At times his poor positioning and lack of height have cost us .
Neither provide a reassuring presence for corners or other set pieces.
I don’t believe either provide any worthwhile organisational expertise for the defence .
I would chose Grimshaw in preference as he has scope to improve but I don’t think he is the answer. A taller keeper with a physical presence would be on my shopping list.
 
Charliecleanstonysheens said:
I have no animosity towards him, but on the commentary they did say he could have done better.
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He did brilliantly to stop the first shot and unfortunately it fell to one of their players. The ITV commentators said the same on their highlights package.

Yet the hatred is such that people were saying he should have done better. Ridiculous comments.

The penalty, on the other hand, was reckless at best.
 
JJpool said:
I presume you're posting some random counter about Grimmy when he had a poor game. Which I will never deny nor won't I criticise him when he makes shit errors.

However he was dropped for his couple of mistakes, Maxwell doesn't seem to ever be dropped when he makes them, which he seems to do far more frequently.
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Look, we've had this debate enough times. So I'll just say it again. There for me,really isn't much between the two keepers. Appleton clearly thinks Maxwells experience counts at this point in time with his organising ability. That said, Grimshaw didn't deserve to be left out when he was over the Xmas period. Grimshaw if he has a future with us is the future. Maxwell is not.
 
20togo said:
Look, we've had this debate enough times. So I'll just say it again. There for me,really isn't much between the two keepers. Appleton clearly thinks Maxwells experience counts at this point in time with his organising ability. That said, Grimshaw didn't deserve to be left out when he was over the Xmas period. Grimshaw if he has a future with us is the future. Maxwell is not.
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You keep replying to my posts so we end up in discussion.

I havent said anything unfair about him on this thread. He made 2 errors yesterday, Grimmy made 1 in the fabled Rotherham game that people love to use to for his errors.

Based on some of his selections, I'm not sure the managers judgement is all that good right now.

If the manager is being fair, maybe he would drop Maxwell the same as he did Grimshaw when mistakes are made. But probably not as he apparently told him to f off so he's on his naughty list. Where Dougall for some reason seems to be too.
 
As I have said before I don’t think there is anything to choose between our two first choice keepers and neither are as good as past keepers. That said the person with the gloves deserves supporting and as Alisson has proved recently with some gaffs, if you are exposed to more pressure by the poor team in front of you then you make mistakes.
 
JJpool said:
You keep replying to my posts so we end up in discussion.

I havent said anything unfair about him on this thread. He made 2 errors yesterday, Grimmy made 1 in the fabled Rotherham game that people love to use to for his errors.

Based on some of his selections, I'm not sure the managers judgement is all that good right now.

If the manager is being fair, maybe he would drop Maxwell the same as he did Grimshaw when mistakes are made. But probably not as he apparently told him to f off so he's on his naughty list. Where Dougall for some reason seems to be too.
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you seem to look to blame Maxwell though. Are you blaming him for the first goal? Their guy hit a powerful shot which could easily have gone in and people would be saying he didn't stand a chance with it. Instead, he does get a hand to it, and remember it's not a low diving save where he pushes the ball away, it's an instant reaction one and fortunately for them it fell for some-one to follow up and score. Surprised you're not saying he should have caught it!
 
Since there is no footballing logic to Appletons team selections, I’m wondering if there is something else at play. Perhaps he wants the big characters (Madine, Maxwell) in the team to keep the dressing room on board but happy to keep the quieter ones (Dougall, Grimmy) out of the team.
 
20togo said:
you seem to look to blame Maxwell though. Are you blaming him for the first goal? Their guy hit a powerful shot which could easily have gone in and people would be saying he didn't stand a chance with it. Instead, he does get a hand to it, and remember it's not a low diving save where he pushes the ball away, it's an instant reaction one and fortunately for them it fell for some-one to follow up and score. Surprised you're not saying he should have caught it!
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His 2 mistakes are the flap from the corner then they hit the bar and the the pen that killed the game, the save was a bit unfortunate but its not like he hasn't pushed into danger before from far lesser shots. But I don't blame him for that goal, it was weak play elsewhere.

You seem to have it in your head I hate the bloke, he's done well for us, just there's no consistency in how Appleton dropped grimmy and not him, plus he just isn't as good a keeper, marginal in most areas maybe but those margins add up.

I'd mention mistakes Grimshaw makes just as much if he was in. Infact I've openly said before ideally we'd have a big keeper who can collect from crosses and because of his size makes saves you wouldn't expect the average keeper to make.
 
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