The Monarchy

Mexboroseasider said:
What negative stance?

I made the point that some people claimed the Royal Family brought millions of pounds into the U.K. by way of tourism. I asked where’s the evidence for that? And raised the possibility that maybe tourists come here for all sorts of reasons. Our culture. Our countryside. Our theatres and literary history. London. The Lake District. Scotland. Our heritage. I’ve even met some who came here just for the footy. Sonthe Royal Family may be responsible for a part of the income produced but I’ve seen no evidence at all that tourists come to the U.K. exclusively because of the Royal Family or that a specific sum can be apportioned to them.

Do you have any evidence that they do? Or can you say what proportion of revenue from Tourism can exclusively be attributed to the Royal Family?

So not negativity. Just a couple of questions asking people to stand up what they’ve claimed.

Now if you don’t believe that the Royal Family produce loads of money then fine. I’m asking the question to the wrong person. But you did respond to my post so it’s only polite to do likewise.
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Nonsense. I would never claim that tourists come to the UK exclusively because of the Royal Family. Has anyone said that? But like it or not our culture is entwined with the Royal Family. Theatres, museums and so many things named and connected to Royalty for example. It's our culture, embrace it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
No, I wasn't saying you were not a full shilling because you were a Royalist. I was just meaning that you are probably not the best example of a normal person, with you not quite being the full ticket, as it were. Apologies for any confusion 👍
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You're just like me bifster, you don't always conform to type. You know that and I know that. But just because we disagree on this, I'm not a normal person. Love it. 👍
 
I couldn't be further from being described as left wing, so I do not understand that trope to level against people who would want to abolish the Monarchy.

Personally I find it bizarre that people think it is a good idea to have people set above them, by a mere accident of birth. Then are happy in a state of forceful payments to maintain their lives of luxury.

It's an anti individual, bizarre, archaic structure for a society to live under.

The Queen has actually done a fantastic job in keeping the Monarchy in such standing, given the supporting cast she's produced.

I have to agree that it plays a small part in holding the UK and it's people back.
 
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Wizaard said:
And? The question was do you have to be left wing to be a Republican?
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Americans are Republicans, and I dont just mean the political party members, many of them are right wing.
Irish people are generally Republicans and Ireland is a very small c conservative country in many ways, not exactly a hotbed of left wing politics.
 
gjr69 said:
Think it goes both way, nobody seems to like an alternative view.
We need lefties and righties to balance things out, as long as it's not malicious hate or threatening violence, say what you want.
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They don't seem to like mine, that's for sure. 🤣
 
I bet if you put it to the country to decide I’m pretty sure which way the vote would go. Believe it or not mentalists and spoilt Yooni brats are in the minority.
 
Scaramanga said:
I bet if you put it to the country to decide I’m pretty sure which way the vote would go. Believe it or not mentalists and spoilt Yooni brats are in the minority.
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Agree but will the same people who won’t except Brexit accept another democratic vote defeat? 😂
 
20togo said:
Nonsense. I would never claim that tourists come to the UK exclusively because of the Royal Family. Has anyone said that? But like it or not our culture is entwined with the Royal Family. Theatres, museums and so many things named and connected to Royalty for example. It's our culture, embrace it.
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“Has anyone said that?” Yes. Some people have claimed the Royal Family bring millions of pounds to the U.K. As I said previously that would only be true if people came exclusively because of the Royal Family. I thought it more likely they were coming to the U.K. for a variety of reasons, the Royal Family being only part of it and only part of our heritage/culture.

You now appear to have agreed with me so that’s fine and dandy.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
“Has anyone said that?” Yes. Some people have claimed the Royal Family bring millions of pounds to the U.K. As I said previously that would only be true if people came exclusively because of the Royal Family. I thought it more likely they were coming to the U.K. for a variety of reasons, the Royal Family being only part of it and only part of our heritage/culture.

You now appear to have agreed with me so that’s fine and dandy.
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I think you’ll find most of the Japanese and American tourists only ever visit London to see the royal palaces including Windsor castle before hopping around Europe.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
“Has anyone said that?” Yes. Some people have claimed the Royal Family bring millions of pounds to the U.K. As I said previously that would only be true if people came exclusively because of the Royal Family. I thought it more likely they were coming to the U.K. for a variety of reasons, the Royal Family being only part of it and only part of our heritage/culture.

You now appear to have agreed with me so that’s fine and dandy.
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we are going round in circles. It's part of the package and imo the main reason why they do it.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Yep. But they’ll still be there even if the Royal Family weren’t.
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Ever been to America and some stupid Yank asks if you've met the Queen or something similar. People love our monarchy for all it is and all it stands for. That's past, present and future.
 
20togo said:
we are going round in circles. It's part of the package and imo the main reason why they do it.
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Not really going round in circles.

They are part of the package - I agree. In fact it’s what I said.

Are they the main reason tourists come to the U.K.? That’s essentially the question I was asking and made the point I hadn’t seen any evidence to support the argument they were “the main reason” nor that they brought millions of pounds to the country. I take it neither have you. So it’s simply an opinion (as you say).

That’s fine. But I don’t think people can then claim as a cast iron certainty that the Royals bring millions to the U.K. that it wouldn’t otherwise have. They might think that but that doesn’t make it true.
 
20togo said:
Ever been to America and some stupid Yank asks if you've met the Queen or something similar.
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Well I’ve heard the stories and seen the news clips. But I’m still not persuaded those Americans wouldn’t be visiting the U.K. if we didn’t have a Royal Family. As you acknowledged tourists don’t come to the U.K. simply because of the Royal Family.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Not really going round in circles.

They are part of the package - I agree. In fact it’s what I said.

Are they the main reason tourists come to the U.K.? That’s essentially the question I was asking and made the point I hadn’t seen any evidence to support the argument they were “the main reason” nor that they brought millions of pounds to the country. I take it neither have you. So it’s simply an opinion (as you say).

That’s fine. But I don’t think people can then claim as a cast iron certainty that the Royals bring millions to the U.K. that it wouldn’t otherwise have. They might think that but that doesn’t make it true.
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Again we are going round in circles. I have the positive opinion, that they bring millions of pounds by way of the tourism industry whereas you'd rather have the negative opinion and question it.
 
20togo said:
Again we are going round in circles. I have the positive opinion, that they bring millions of pounds by way of the tourism industry whereas you'd rather have the negative opinion and question it.
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It’s not negative to ask questions or ask people to stand up their opinions. It’s how you decide whether an opinion might have some truth behind it or not. A lot of people used to have the opinion that the world was flat but that has been disproved with evidence.

Frankly I have no idea how much tourist revenue the Royal Family generate. I’m not even sure it’s quantifiable when it’s all in the same mix. That’s why I’m sceptical when people claim (not as an opinion but as a fact) that they are responsible for producing millions.
 
clappers said:
Expect Her Maj to exceed her mothers innings and Charles to have 5 years or so after that?

If William then does a good job and lives to say 85, then his son will ascend for sure and short of a revolution there would be a few years of George before any change could be implemented. At least a century in the pipeline I would have thought.
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William might want to see an orderly transition to a Republic.
 
For future reference 'abolish' and 'Royal'
20togo said:
Don't you recognise the difference between Japan, America and CHINA.
Lot's of Chinese tourists come here too.
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Don't you recognise tongue in cheek when you read it?

No, of course you ** don't, you're too busy just hurling abuse around at people who don't agree with you while adding nothing.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
For future reference 'abolish' and 'Royal'

Don't you recognise tongue in cheek when you read it?

No, of course you ** don't, you're too busy just hurling abuse around at people who don't agree with you while adding nothing.
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fcuk off. hugs and kisses. Oh, btw, you and mr thumbs up read shandys first post on the thread.
 
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One thing about the Queen.
She's never kidnapped her own off-spring and hidden her away where no one knows where.
Our Queen doesn't get mixed up in politics like many 'so called' leaders.

BTW, I remember chasing one of al Maktoums race horses round the tarmac at Luton Airport when it escaped when being unloaded from an aircraft
I said, 'Why not just throw a noose round it's neck, or something ?' I was told in no uncertain terms that the horse was worth £2Million so we daren't hurt it.
That was in the 1980s, so what would it be worth now?
 
Davepick said:
One thing about the Queen.
She's never kidnapped her own off-spring and hidden her away where no one knows where.
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Perhaps not. But the way she hobnobs with him at Royal Ascot says she is friends with al Maktoum. That will have to change, don’t expect to see it again. Otherwise she risks having her own “Randy Andy” situation?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
No, 'Indeed your response was naturally' doesn't work.

Yours
Mother ** English Degree
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but I didn't use the word natch did I you stupid pillock?

You used the word and I replied with the words "Indeed your response was". In other words your response was expected, naturally. I knew you'd respond, which you did.
 
20togo said:
but I didn't use the word natch did I you stupid pillock?

You used the word and I replied with the words "Indeed your response was". In other words your response was expected, naturally. I knew you'd respond, which you did.
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No, the context was it was 'natch', doesn't work, terrible grammar. 'I thought so to' for example would have worked. My standards are probably higher though.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
No, the context was it was 'natch', doesn't work, terrible grammar. 'I thought so to' for example would have worked. My standards are probably higher though.
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You're bullshitting. I didn't say it was natch. I didn't use the word in my first response did I? I simply said Indeed your reply was. In other words your reply was expected. It didn't matter what you said in your reply, I knew you'd respond. Hugs and kisses.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Do non-monarchical countries suffer a corresponding lull in tourism because they lack a King or a Queen? Do I choose the Netherlands over France because it has a monarchy? Tourists to France visit the Louvre and the Place de la Concorde because of their heritage but that is done without any need for a monarch.
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Go and live in France then.
 
All the best to the Duke of Edinburgh admitted to hospital this afternoon as feeling unwell. 👍

He didn’t drive himself to the hospital so he got there in one piece and without any issues. 👍

Let’s hope he sees his 100th birthday out in June a lovely man. 👍
 
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20togo said:
You're bullshitting. I didn't say it was natch. I didn't use the word in my first response did I? I simply said Indeed your reply was. In other words your reply was expected. It didn't matter what you said in your reply, I knew you'd respond. Hugs and kisses.
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Like I said, higher standards, if you ever need any help just shout 👍
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Like I said, higher standards, if you ever need any help just shout 👍
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Will do. I must admit I do find your remark somewhat contradictory. T'was only the other day you were telling me not to bother in replying to you - or words to that effect. You a bit of a flibbertigibbet?
 
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