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It was the right decision to let Bowler go. He was never going to stay beyond his contract and the money allows some flexibility to get in new players. I also think we got too reliant on him. The management now have to think about where the creativity is going to come from without him. We have to be realistic in our expectations and we are not premier league contenders so staying in the division is the objective. This is not lack of ambition, but the infastructure of the club is the priority, it has been neglected for too long and Simon Sadler does not have unlimited funds. Once the building and refurbishment have been completed, it is only then that we start the prem push. I also think we now have money to spend in January which cant be bad. All in all I am not too disheartened by what has happened.
 
Last season our creativity all came from Bowler and maybe Anderson. Wenow have Fiorini, Patino, Poveda, Wright and maybe Corbeanu. And Anderson when he's back. Carey perhaps. Obviously Fiorini will be out for a while. The recruitment team has been judged harshly because players have got injured. I think.
 
Yeah i think the club have done shrewd business this summer 8 signings and two free agents incoming anytime
5 loan players all premier league( we could never afford to buy them) very happy with Dom Thompson so far and I also think the lad from Leicester will be another Ryan Wintle hopefully lots of potential.
I’m under the impression we’re just going to get stronger each transfer window ( hope I’m right)
 
10 of the 14 teams in the Greek top division average pitifully low gates- below 6,000.Ok Olympiacos average around 20,000 but I fail to see how playing in a Mickey Mouse league is going to progress Bowler.
 
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Trammo said:
10 of the 14 teams in the Greek top division average pitifully low gates- below 6,000.Ok Olympiacos average around 20,000 but I fail to see how playing in a Mickey Mouse league is going to progress Bowler.
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The lads just quadrupled his salary, for at least 3 years. He also leaves a medium sized working class town the North West of England for a life in the sun in a cosmopolitan capital city. Not only that but he leaves a club (of which he has no allegiance) with maybe 30,000 fans max for a club with millions of fans globally. If he performs well for Olympiacos (and as they’ll be a dominant force in their division that’s quite likely for an attacking player) then he’ll become a star in Greece and end up on the radar of even bigger clubs across Europe.

Personally think a season at Olympiacos is better than a season on the bench at Forest.

Is it the best move possible for his career - possibly not. Is it a quite incredible move for him personally - absolutely. He’s young enough to have another chance to make it in the Premier League or at a big Championship club but the chance to go and live and play at a club like Olympiacos won’t come around often.

Even as a tangerine I’d have given my left bollock for the opportunity Josh now has in Greece.
 
voyeur said:
Last season our creativity all came from Bowler and maybe Anderson. Wenow have Fiorini, Patino, Poveda, Wright and maybe Corbeanu. And Anderson when he's back. Carey perhaps. Obviously Fiorini will be out for a while. The recruitment team has been judged harshly because players have got injured. I think.
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Yep.
Oppositions have known that our attack was largely dependent on Bowler - contain him and we were much less of a threat.
Like Palace in the past couple of seasons, nullify Zaha and you're halfway there.

As great as Josh was, we've got more creative/attacking options now, more alternatives, and as a result we may well be less predictable, more difficult to play against.
 
Toastrack said:
Yep.
Oppositions have known that our attack was largely dependent on Bowler - contain him and we were much less of a threat.
Like Palace in the past couple of seasons, nullify Zaha and you're halfway there.

As great as Josh was, we've got more creative/attacking options now, more alternatives, and as a result we may well be less predictable, more difficult to play against.
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More balanced. Hopefully. Critch found ways to pick up points with the players we had. Same task for Appleton. Critch learnt at Liverpool about positivity and not making excuses or blaming players or anybody else. Appleton is tending a bit towards moany/blamy at the moment. It doesn't work.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
The lads just quadrupled his salary, for at least 3 years. He also leaves a medium sized working class town the North West of England for a life in the sun in a cosmopolitan capital city. Not only that but he leaves a club (of which he has no allegiance) with maybe 30,000 fans max for a club with millions of fans globally. If he performs well for Olympiacos (and as they’ll be a dominant force in their division that’s quite likely for an attacking player) then he’ll become a star in Greece and end up on the radar of even bigger clubs across Europe.

Personally think a season at Olympiacos is better than a season on the bench at Forest.

Is it the best move possible for his career - possibly not. Is it a quite incredible move for him personally - absolutely. He’s young enough to have another chance to make it in the Premier League or at a big Championship club but the chance to go and live and play at a club like Olympiacos won’t come around often.

Even as a tangerine I’d have given my left bollock for the opportunity Josh now has in Greece.
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Financially yes a good move but potentially being a star in a Mickey Mouser, that no one outside Greece is interested in, is a big fat NO !
 
Trammo said:
Financially yes a good move but potentially being a star in a Mickey Mouser, that no one outside Greece is interested in, is a big fat NO !
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Not sure Josh would agree when he’s spending his afternoons on the golf course, sat with his family in a nice taverna and buzzing around Athens with his partner enjoying his luxury lifestyle. He’ll be a celebrity in Greece. He’ll have sponsorship offers coming out of his backside. Olympiacos get far far more interest globally than say Blackpool or even clubs like Bournemouth. The Greek league isn’t a top league but it is a proving ground for good players. A decent season and he’ll be back in the Prem or moving to an even bigger European league. If I was a 23 year old lad I know I’d be pretty happy with the move.
 
Don't forget he will also be playing in the Europa League, and looking at their group, they don't have the worst chance of progressing. Could be finding himself playing back in England sooner then next season. Id say that was damn sight better experience then being sat on the bench at best at forest, he certainly isn't playing ahead of Johnson or the other 287 players they signed in this window.
 
Toastrack said:
Yep.
Oppositions have known that our attack was largely dependent on Bowler - contain him and we were much less of a threat.
Like Palace in the past couple of seasons, nullify Zaha and you're halfway there.

As great as Josh was, we've got more creative/attacking options now, more alternatives, and as a result we may well be less predictable, more difficult to play against.
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I'm going to put on my tin hat, but I've never been convinced that Bowler was that good a player. He was amazing to watch as he took players on but the number of times he wasted very good opportunities was just too many to recall, too many times he had a simple pass on but almost always tried to turn his man. I think opposition coaches doubled and tripled up on him because he would more often than not run into trouble by trying to take on one too many players rather than look for a pass and set someone up, which often left us shorthanded when the inevitable counter attack happened. Scored some fantastic goals was very entertaining to watch but we never were a one player team. Good luck to him in the future.

My problem is from what I've seen so far is that Corbaneau and Fiorini are both similar to Bowler in that they try to do one too many things, the canadian particularly - but cool in front of goal and another one who is prepared to run at defences. My question is can Appleton make them better players???
 
Costero Poderoso said:
I'm going to put on my tin hat, but I've never been convinced that Bowler was that good a player. He was amazing to watch as he took players on but the number of times he wasted very good opportunities was just too many to recall, too many times he had a simple pass on but almost always tried to turn his man. I think opposition coaches doubled and tripled up on him because he would more often than not run into trouble by trying to take on one too many players rather than look for a pass and set someone up, which often left us shorthanded when the inevitable counter attack happened. Scored some fantastic goals was very entertaining to watch but we never were a one player team. Good luck to him in the future.

My problem is from what I've seen so far is that Corbaneau and Fiorini are both similar to Bowler in that they try to do one too many things, the canadian particularly - but cool in front of goal and another one who is prepared to run at defences. My question is can Appleton make them better players???
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Yep right to put your tin hat on because I pretty much disagree with all that.

I'll also add that I hope Appleton can make Williams a better player too. Even though he's been very poor for a few games now you seem to rate him. And think he's better than Keogh. To be honest, your assessment of Keogh was pretty staggering.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Not sure Josh would agree when he’s spending his afternoons on the golf course, sat with his family in a nice taverna and buzzing around Athens with his partner enjoying his luxury lifestyle. He’ll be a celebrity in Greece. He’ll have sponsorship offers coming out of his backside. Olympiacos get far far more interest globally than say Blackpool or even clubs like Bournemouth. The Greek league isn’t a top league but it is a proving ground for good players. A decent season and he’ll be back in the Prem or moving to an even bigger European league. If I was a 23 year old lad I know I’d be pretty happy with the move.
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Doesn't compare with strolling along the Prom in South Shore, calling off for a Notarianni's and then finishing the afternoon with a kebab from the Armenian.

Culture.... Phaaah!!
 
LA1 Seasider said:
The lads just quadrupled his salary, for at least 3 years. He also leaves a medium sized working class town the North West of England for a life in the sun in a cosmopolitan capital city. Not only that but he leaves a club (of which he has no allegiance) with maybe 30,000 fans max for a club with millions of fans globally. If he performs well for Olympiacos (and as they’ll be a dominant force in their division that’s quite likely for an attacking player) then he’ll become a star in Greece and end up on the radar of even bigger clubs across Europe.

Personally think a season at Olympiacos is better than a season on the bench at Forest.

Is it the best move possible for his career - possibly not. Is it a quite incredible move for him personally - absolutely. He’s young enough to have another chance to make it in the Premier League or at a big Championship club but the chance to go and live and play at a club like Olympiacos won’t come around often.

Even as a tangerine I’d have given my left bollock for the opportunity Josh now has in Greece.
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Why the left
 
20togo said:
Yep right to put your tin hat on because I pretty much disagree with all that.

I'll also add that I hope Appleton can make Williams a better player too. Even though he's been very poor for a few games now you seem to rate him. And think he's better than Keogh. To be honest, your assessment of Keogh was pretty staggering.
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I'm not sure whether you think this is fair or not 20's, but here goes.

For me... Bowler could get away with some of his slightly rough edges at Blackpool and play with a sense of freedom and maybe without some of the responsibility that might otherwise be expected of someone in his position (particularly as you move up the levels). There's no question that his decision making could be hit and miss over the course of a season and that he did lose the ball in dangerous positions as well as perhaps leaving us exposed defensively.

I think at our level, we were happy to accept the many positives that came along with the player and also focus our attention on his ability and the excitement that came with such a gifted player when he was running with the ball. However, football in general, particularly the higher up you get, doesn't really make too many allowances and whilst there is an obvious desire for players with the kind of skill and ability on display from Bowler, there is also a requirement to try and contain that ability within a framework of expectations.... OK, If you're as good a player as Ronaldo, then perhaps you are going to be given more leeway, but Josh isn't anywhere near as good as Ronaldo, and certainly at Premier League Level he is going to need to round off many of those sharper edges pretty quickly... He will need to track back and defend, he will need to sharpen up his decision making, he will be expected to deliver better quality balls into the box and I'm not sure that in confining him in that way, that essentially you just ruin the player that he is.

So for me, he's a player who will shine at our level, but who I tend to think might well flop completely in the kind of constrained role that he will be expected to play if he ever manages to break into a side in the Premier league.... Alternatively he may find himself simply being used as an Impact Sub in the last 20 to try and open up a defence and win a game perhaps.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm not sure whether you think this is fair or not 20's, but here goes.

For me... Bowler could get away with some of his slightly rough edges at Blackpool and play with a sense of freedom and maybe without some of the responsibility that might otherwise be expected of someone in his position (particularly as you move up the levels). There's no question that his decision making could be hit and miss over the course of a season and that he did lose the ball in dangerous positions as well as perhaps leaving us exposed defensively.

I think at our level, we were happy to accept the many positives that came along with the player and also focus our attention on his ability and the excitement that came with such a gifted player when he was running with the ball. However, football in general, particularly the higher up you get, doesn't really make too many allowances and whilst there is an obvious desire for players with the kind of skill and ability on display from Bowler, there is also a requirement to try and contain that ability within a framework of expectations.... OK, If you're as good a player as Ronaldo, then perhaps you are going to be given more leeway, but Josh isn't anywhere near as good as Ronaldo, and certainly at Premier League Level he is going to need to round off many of those sharper edges pretty quickly... He will need to track back and defend, he will need to sharpen up his decision making, he will be expected to deliver better quality balls into the box and I'm not sure that in confining him in that way, that essentially you just ruin the player that he is.

So for me, he's a player who will shine at our level, but who I tend to think might well flop completely in the kind of constrained role that he will be expected to play if he ever manages to break into a side in the Premier league.... Alternatively he may find himself simply being used as an Impact Sub in the last 20 to try and open up a defence and win a game perhaps.
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I've said somewhere else today that my focus with regards to my posts has been on Bowler and his time at BFC. And it's those that who are constantly critical of that that I have an issue with. He's gone now and so we need to focus on who has come in and how they do. And needless to say I hope Bowler goes on to have a successful career wherever that may take him. It's many many years since we had a player with such natural talent and flair for beating players. That should be applauded and as I've said, with a talent like he has I tend to focus on the positives on what he does/did for us rather look for the negatives which seems to be the want of a good few,
 
Costero Poderoso said:
I'm going to put on my tin hat, but I've never been convinced that Bowler was that good a player. He was amazing to watch as he took players on but the number of times he wasted very good opportunities was just too many to recall, too many times he had a simple pass on but almost always tried to turn his man. I think opposition coaches doubled and tripled up on him because he would more often than not run into trouble by trying to take on one too many players rather than look for a pass and set someone up, which often left us shorthanded when the inevitable counter attack happened. Scored some fantastic goals was very entertaining to watch but we never were a one player team.
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Congrats, you’ve just won nonsense post of the week and it’s been highly competitive.

Can you help me with your logic here, your own words…

“Amazing to watch”
“Took players on”
“Opposition coaches doubled and tripled up on him”
“Scored some fantastic goals”
“Entertaining to watch”

Then this gem

“I’ve never been convinced he was that good a player”… maybe the opposition coaches just put 3 on him for a laugh eh? He was amazing to watch too? But not that good?

Make it make sense 🙈🤣
 
To get back to the original o/p, Josh Bowler signed a 1+1 deal to put himself in the shop window, he was always going to go, it was almost in January and inevitable he would go now or walk away for nothing in the summer. We had little choice but to let him go, he wanted to go, he must have been aware of the plans for him before he travelled for the medical, he still wanted to go.

He has shown what he can do whilst he was here, I'm pleased we had him in our team and gave him the chance to show his ability, how he progresses from here is something I might keep an eye on but it now matters very little to BFC.
Thanks Josh, good luck for the future, I hope the gamble pays off for you.
 
voyeur said:
More balanced. Hopefully. Critch found ways to pick up points with the players we had. Same task for Appleton. Critch learnt at Liverpool about positivity and not making excuses or blaming players or anybody else. Appleton is tending a bit towards moany/blamy at the moment. It doesn't work.
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Try Appleton is showing honesty, Critchley had us better than the opposition in nearly every game, even those where we never had a shot.
I know which POV I prefer
 
20togo said:
I've said somewhere else today that my focus with regards to my posts has been on Bowler and his time at BFC. And it's those that who are constantly critical of that that I have an issue with. He's gone now and so we need to focus on who has come in and how they do. And needless to say I hope Bowler goes on to have a successful career wherever that may take him. It's many many years since we had a player with such natural talent and flair for beating players. That should be applauded and as I've said, with a talent like he has I tend to focus on the positives on what he does/did for us rather look for the negatives which seems to be the want of a good few,
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Understand.... I suppose I was just interested in your wider take and maybe understanding why he can be a bit marmite as far as some fans are concerned. I tend to mostly agree with you in regard to him having being a fantastic and exciting player for us..The type that you want to go to games and watch, but I could also see arguments over his end product and defensive frailties.... So I could see how a more 'robotic' and far less gifted player might be able to produce a similar end product, whilst not offering the same pleasure to the fans.

I also think it is quite interesting to see how his career develops from here and whether or not an environment where he maybe won't be afforded the same freedom and where maybe fans and managers will be less inclined to focus on the positives will bring out the best in him.... It would be nice to think that he will push on from here, but these moves often have a nasty way of snuffing out players like Josh.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
I'm going to put on my tin hat, but I've never been convinced that Bowler was that good a player. He was amazing to watch as he took players on but the number of times he wasted very good opportunities was just too many to recall, too many times he had a simple pass on but almost always tried to turn his man. I think opposition coaches doubled and tripled up on him because he would more often than not run into trouble by trying to take on one too many players rather than look for a pass and set someone up, which often left us shorthanded when the inevitable counter attack happened. Scored some fantastic goals was very entertaining to watch but we never were a one player team. Good luck to him in the future.

My problem is from what I've seen so far is that Corbaneau and Fiorini are both similar to Bowler in that they try to do one too many things, the canadian particularly - but cool in front of goal and another one who is prepared to run at defences. My question is can Appleton make them better players???
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If you've got a player who keeps running at the opposition with no fear, you have someone the opposition has to focus on. And they always did. He got the ball up the pitch and made things happen. We will miss that unless Poveda or someone else does it.

But we might be able to improve without him. If we improve the balance, attack better down the left, improve creativity from midfield. It's a big loss but also an opportunity to evolve. And we have some new players to facilitate that.
 
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Wes was another player that was essentially irreplaceable for us on our budget and when he left, just as it has with Josh, our main attacking threat was gone… but we developed and improved - just as we have to do again.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Understand.... I suppose I was just interested in your wider take and maybe understanding why he can be a bit marmite as far as some fans are concerned. I tend to mostly agree with you in regard to him having being a fantastic and exciting player for us..The type that you want to go to games and watch, but I could also see arguments over his end product and defensive frailties.... So I could see how a more 'robotic' and far less gifted player might be able to produce a similar end product, whilst not offering the same pleasure to the fans.

I also think it is quite interesting to see how his career develops from here and whether or not an environment where he maybe won't be afforded the same freedom and where maybe fans and managers will be less inclined to focus on the positives will bring out the best in him.... It would be nice to think that he will push on from here, but these moves often have a nasty way of snuffing out players like Josh.
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yeah get a lot of that. What we had here at Blackpool was a fantastic individual talent who to some extent was given a free licence to go out and perform. It would be naive of me to not think that the higher he goes the more he is likely to have to conform to the team game.
 
I can understand why the club sold him, and we've done very well out of him with a years quality on the pitch, plus a few million now he's left. Nothing but best wishes from me.
His decision making in dangerous positions may not have been the best, but then if it was he really wouldn't have been playing in the Championship. Also, often he would only be in a dangerous position because of his own ability - it's not like we've had midfielders that are capable of playing a decent through ball for him.
I think some of the other players need to take some of the flak for the times when he's had three or four marking him. The opposition can only feel confident of doing that because the other areas of the pitch haven't posed enough of a threat - namely centre midfield.
He's been given special attention by other teams and despite that has really excelled and still been able to score and create.

All that said, I do think we'll cope better than expected without him, because I think our style will change. Much more of our creativity and goal-scoring threat will be from centre mid in future, with players like Patino and Wright picking a pass. Something we haven't been able to do for ages.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Congrats, you’ve just won nonsense post of the week and it’s been highly competitive.

Can you help me with your logic here, your own words…

“Amazing to watch”
“Took players on”
“Opposition coaches doubled and tripled up on him”
“Scored some fantastic goals”
“Entertaining to watch”

Then this gem

“I’ve never been convinced he was that good a player”… maybe the opposition coaches just put 3 on him for a laugh eh? He was amazing to watch too? But not that good?

Make it make sense 🙈🤣
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first, where can I pick up my trophy???

but just for you I'll make it make sense.

you can be entertaining, by taking players on and all the other stuff he did but not be THAT good in the same way you could be a good team but horrible to watch and not entertaining at all, ie. arsenal a few years ago, England most of the time etc etc etc.

the two things - being entertaining and being an exceptionally good player are not necessarily mutually analogous. He made too many mistakes in my opinion, so every time he got the ball it was always squeaky bum time whether he would do something amazing, or just give the ball away very cheaply allowing the opposition to attack.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
I'm going to put on my tin hat, but I've never been convinced that Bowler was that good a player. He was amazing to watch as he took players on but the number of times he wasted very good opportunities was just too many to recall, too many times he had a simple pass on but almost always tried to turn his man. I think opposition coaches doubled and tripled up on him because he would more often than not run into trouble by trying to take on one too many players rather than look for a pass and set someone up, which often left us shorthanded when the inevitable counter attack happened. Scored some fantastic goals was very entertaining to watch but we never were a one player team. Good luck to him in the future.

My problem is from what I've seen so far is that Corbaneau and Fiorini are both similar to Bowler in that they try to do one too many things, the canadian particularly - but cool in front of goal and another one who is prepared to run at defences. My question is can Appleton make them better players???
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My honest view? Yes he can. I think all of those brought in are going to be good. My one concern is Williams but that's only while the midfield is weakened.
 
Nothing was stopping him leaving. He wanted to go. The club knew they had to sell him to maximise his diminishing value (based on contract length not performance). I couldn’t care less if Forest/Olympiakos is a good move for him or not. It makes no difference to our choices.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
first, where can I pick up my trophy???

but just for you I'll make it make sense.

you can be entertaining, by taking players on and all the other stuff he did but not be THAT good in the same way you could be a good team but horrible to watch and not entertaining at all, ie. arsenal a few years ago, England most of the time etc etc etc.

the two things - being entertaining and being an exceptionally good player are not necessarily mutually analogous. He made too many mistakes in my opinion, so every time he got the ball it was always squeaky bum time whether he would do something amazing, or just give the ball away very cheaply allowing the opposition to attack.
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In that case I expect to see a comment from you on every match day thread criticising the likes of Grimshaw, all our defence and midfield players who seem to have a habit of giving the ball away in dangerous areas on a pretty regular basis. Far more than Bowler did that's for sure. You seem to want to focus on the negatives of Bowler which is a shame. That said I read your review of Keogh comparing him to Williams which was frankly laughable.
 
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so every time he got the ball it was always squeaky bum time whether he would do something amazing, or just give the ball away very cheaply allowing the opposition to attack
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Nothing in between those no? Like just passing it to the full back or into midfield?

The good news is then we’ve got 4 million pounds for someone you don’t think is that good 👌🏼
 
Trammo said:
10 of the 14 teams in the Greek top division average pitifully low gates- below 6,000.Ok Olympiacos average around 20,000 but I fail to see how playing in a Mickey Mouse league is going to progress Bowler.
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Yeah but he is a 23-year-old lad earning good money and living in Greece. What is not to like?
 
Lost Seasider said:
Ultimately the club's budget stretches to £500,000 per player, per season max, burning £4,000,000+ on one player-season is not an option.
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Which is nowt in the real world of transfer fees
I am not critical - The Board, Manager and even Bowler have done their best for the Club

… it’s now the fans turn and all the players

U t P
 
I think Bowler was one of the most exciting players to have graced the hollowed turf of Bloomfield Road. To me, it feels a bit like when Prince Charlie Adam left. It was all doom and gloom magnified by the relegation. Remember then we got Tom Ince in and he was a revelation and played in arguably the most exciting team I've ever seen us have. Who knows, any one of the new arrivals could have a similar impact. I'm very excited to see our midfield when they are all fit and integrated. If our fans give them time and the manager backing then it could be another exciting season....
 
Although Bowler was exciting to watch and the scorer of important goals last season, he was not the creator of the most goals that was Kenny Dougall. Bowler played for himself, and as such, the better teams soon realized that by putting a player close to him and one a couple of yards away the threat could soon be nullified, or at least limited. His main weakness was his strength in that he was a greedy player, very different from Trevor Sinclair who for me had the dribbling ability and quick feet, but also would switch play and be much more selfless in his play.

Was it wise to sell him, from the club's perspective the position at the end of the season will determine if it was. But when an offer arrives for a player that is so live-changing both financially and with the chances to play at a higher level, then the club must accept it, if it allows the club to reinvest. It is also a great motivator for the club's existing and prospective players that if they play well then they also could move for a much higher wage at a richer club and play at a higher level.
 
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voyeur said:
Last season our creativity all came from Bowler and maybe Anderson. Wenow have Fiorini, Patino, Poveda, Wright and maybe Corbeanu. And Anderson when he's back. Carey perhaps. Obviously Fiorini will be out for a while. The recruitment team has been judged harshly because players have got injured. I think.
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Why do we 'perhaps' have Carey?

He's actually achieved more in a tangerine shirt than most on that list... He was out of this world good playing in the 10 role away at reading, he changed the game coming on against Sheff U and he ran the midfield like a dream away at Huddersfield to name three games.

I'm not sure why there's suddenly a vibe of doubt about Carey. He's a good player and were he not suspended, I think we'd have seen a very different game against Blackburn as he enables us to play a different way.

Unbelievable I know, but I'd have started him over Madine and stuck with a front three (or a 3-1 to be more precise)
 
td53 said:
Why do we 'perhaps' have Carey?

He's actually achieved more in a tangerine shirt than most on that list... He was out of this world good playing in the 10 role away at reading, he changed the game coming on against Sheff U and he ran the midfield like a dream away at Huddersfield to name three games.

I'm not sure why there's suddenly a vibe of doubt about Carey. He's a good player and were he not suspended, I think we'd have seen a very different game against Blackburn as he enables us to play a different way.

Unbelievable I know, but I'd have started him over Madine and stuck with a front three (or a 3-1 to be more precise)
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I meant perhaps he's a creative player. Im not sure. Does he create? Im not sure what he is. Which is maybe me.
 
voyeur said:
I meant perhaps he's a creative player. Im not sure. Does he create? Im not sure what he is. Which is maybe me.
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Fair enough! For me he is, yeah. I want to see him with Patino at some point. He's not a right partner for Fiorini - they're similar, but Patino and he would compliment each other.
 
td53 said:
Fair enough! For me he is, yeah. I want to see him with Patino at some point. He's not a right partner for Fiorini - they're similar, but Patino and he would compliment each other.
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Are Fiorini and Carey similar?
 
voyeur said:
Are Fiorini and Carey similar?
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Yeah - they both want to drive forward, they both like to shoot, they like to get up with the front three. No question in my mind that Carey is more like Fiorini than he Patino in terms of the space that suits him best on the pitch. Clearly, they are 'different' but it's a question of which part of the pitch they feel most comfortable in to me. Patino is way more comfortable deeper than either of them.
 
td53 said:
Yeah - they both want to drive forward, they both like to shoot, they like to get up with the front three. No question in my mind that Carey is more like Fiorini than he Patino in terms of the space that suits him best on the pitch. Clearly, they are 'different' but it's a question of which part of the pitch they feel most comfortable in to me. Patino is way more comfortable deeper than either of them.
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Patino will drop in next to Dougall and look comfortable and drive from there sometimes or ping it from there like a quarterback. Carey is extremely good at finding space between the lines (I said it 🤮 ) and timing late runs but he's played more of a foil type role to Fiorini who also wants to do that and hasn't to my memory actually been on the pitch with Patino yet.

That ability to find space as an extra attacker coming late or running from deep combined with a player witch the vision to pass like Adam is an interesting concept...
 
td53 said:
Yeah - they both want to drive forward, they both like to shoot, they like to get up with the front three. No question in my mind that Carey is more like Fiorini than he Patino in terms of the space that suits him best on the pitch. Clearly, they are 'different' but it's a question of which part of the pitch they feel most comfortable in to me. Patino is way more comfortable deeper than either of them.
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Yes Patino likes to drop deeper. I think Fiorino looks for passes in all directions. Carey is more like Virtue, drives forward, quite direct, and less of a passing range than Fiorini, who moves around the pitch a lot more. If that makes sense. Beer and 00.19 hours.
 
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