To All Anti-England Fans

gjr69 said:
Johnson is crap and it is embarrassing that we as a nation think he is the best leader available to us but there are loads of good things about being English and living in England.
One of them being that we can freely call Johnson a lying, cheating, self serving, pompous, snobby, arrogant, lazy fat waste of space!
As for the England team, excellent performance and result. Such a strong squad with so many options, I hope Southgate continues to get his team selection right, this tournament is winnable!!
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So on that note who’s the best choice to replace him then?
Cummings? Gove? Hancock?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So on that note who’s the best choice to replace him then?
Cummings? Gove? Hancock?
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Come on Jaffa, you know that no tory is acceptable. Unfortunately no socialist is competent enough to run the country either.

A poll showed that the most popular people in the UK are

Anthony Hopkins
Michael Caine
Helen Mirren

Maybe one of those would be a popular choice.
 
Wizaard said:
It's not, just a follow up to what you were saying. Apologies if it wasn't clear.
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No problem at all Wiz.

I just agreed with a point 20's made, can't remember exactly but basically that in the past he has been given club over country spiel from some.

Not a crime for people who previously weren't interested in England - or should I say as interested ? - to now be more interested during a more successful spell but that doesn't mean that 20's wasn't right in making the point that he did.

No big deal.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So on that note who’s the best choice to replace him then?
Cummings? Gove? Hancock?
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Probably somebody we have never heard of, many great things about living in England our political system and the quality of our politicians isn't one of them.
The sooner we come up with a system that truly represents the people of the UK the better, what we currently have is an extension of Eton and Oxbridge that is a world where Johnson and the like play out there egotistical fantasies!
Maybe Southgate should be PM, I actually think he would bring more decency to the role.
 
Merry Andrew said:
Come on Jaffa, you know that no tory is acceptable. Unfortunately no socialist is competent enough to run the country either.

A poll showed that the most popular people in the UK are

Anthony Hopkins
Michael Caine
Helen Mirren

Maybe one of those would be a popular choice.
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Southgate ?
 
Macseasider said:
What an horrible foul mouthed "angry little man" unnecessary thread.

Even in glorious victory people on AVFTT try to find any little thing they can to focus on the negative with real spite.
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What's unusual about that kind of language on this board?
 
gjr69 said:
Probably somebody we have never heard of, many great things about living in England our political system and the quality of our politicians isn't one of them.
The sooner we come up with a system that truly represents the people of the UK the better, what we currently have is an extension of Eton and Oxbridge that is a world where Johnson and the like play out there egotistical fantasies!
Maybe Southgate should be PM, I actually think he would bring more decency to the role.
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Beat me to it gjr.

Great minds or fools se.....................
 
Merry Andrew said:
Come on Jaffa, you know that no tory is acceptable. Unfortunately no socialist is competent enough to run the country either.

A poll showed that the most popular people in the UK are

Anthony Hopkins
Michael Caine
Helen Mirren

Maybe one of those would be a popular choice.
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But are they all British enough?
Do they all live here and pay their taxes?
 
BFC_53 said:
I'm not sure why people can't distinguish between criticising England and being Anti-England? Our history in this tournament is absolutely shocking for a footballing nation of our size, and i've often been critical of the national team - but i'm far from anti-England, i'm desperate for them to do well.
We've had an excellent tournament so far even if it's not always champagne football, and it is always an achievement to reach the last four. But compare to Germany - they've qualified for the knock out stage of the Euro's ten times and in those ten times, this time is the only one where they've not reached the semi finals. This is why you get people knocking the England team - because they've grossly underperformed historically. It's as simple as that.

I've not been a fan of Southgate, but you can't argue with his record vs other managers and he is starting to win me round. I thought he was being too negative but i'm starting to think it isn't negative, he's just getting the team playing with a bit of intelligence and nous, and he's outthinking the opposition. He's also been brave with his selections as he would get a lot of stick if we'd been knocked out considering the players he's left out. It takes a strong character to resist the urge to play all the top creative players we have at the same time.
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"I'm not sure why people can't distinguish between criticising England and being Anti-England?". Same reason they use hate as a synonym for disapproval, to twist it to their own agenda.
 
Been a Blackpool fanatic for 40yrs
Had great days and bad days
England for me has always been up there
The dreaming of doing well followed by the crushing defeats
Germany ruined my football youth !!
Maybe it a generation thing but I always have said if England ever won anything then I would die a happy man
Seeing Blackpool win promotion to the prem was beyond my wildest dreams
Seeing England win anything would be just as if not better because of the lift it would give the country
I don't get the logic of saying seeing Blackpool beat Preston is better than seeing England win a tournament?
We will play Preston more times than England will be in a final that's for sure
My flag is still flying high in Scotland and will continue to piss off everyone whilst we stay in the tournament
 
My take on England is to qualify for a tournament and then get through the group stage is all i ask at any time. Then it's hope for the best and it's given us a chance. Anything less and i m disappointed but never embarrassed and I would never call my country shit. And what Brexit has to do with it God only knows.
We have no devine right to win anything and I actually admire the Scots in how they support their team when they get so little back. You can pick your club team but you don't really have a choice about your country unless your very fickle.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I don't know why that's directed at me Wiz ?
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nah, it was directed at me and it's a fact Wiz is anti the EPLbut his mind will change if BFC get there. That's a fact. Hypocrisy and double standards.And there's been hundreds of posts over the years by posters saying they care very little for England. That maybe not saying they are anti English but it's sad that they don't care about their national team. Narrow minded if your love of the game of football is restricted to just one team and you can't support your country. Thank god it seems AVFTT is unrepresentave of how genuine football fans feel as shown by the scenes around the country last night and even moreso the scenes at Wembley last tuesday.
 
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It might not be what people want to hear on here but the EPL is now bearing fruit for the England team and it's been happening for the last few years. Academy players coming through and playing in the most demanding league with and against some of the best players in the world. It's making a difference now at international level because they're not phased by anything. It's completely different to 20,30 or 40 years ago.
 
20togo said:
nah, it was directed at me and it's a fact Wiz is anti the EPLbut his mind will change if BFC get there. That's a fact. Hypocrisy and double standards.And there's been hundreds of posts over the years by posters sqaying they care very little for England. That maybe not saying they are anti English but it's sad that they don't care about their national team. Narrow minded if your love of the game of football is restricted to just one team and you can't support your country. Thank god it seems AVFTTT is unrepresentave of how proper football fans feel as shown by the scenes around the country last night and even moreso the scenes at Wembley last tuesday.
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Yes, I'd agree with just about all of that.

All I'd question is whether many of those rejoicing last night, would come on here to seriously discuss/debate the merits of a one each draw away from home to Poland in the first match of a qualifier.

I know you would but there would be plenty giving you the club over country spiel which is why I supported/defended your comments in the first place.

That's not a criticism and I'm sure many will say it's just human nature.
 
PNENIL said:
It might not be what people want to hear on here but the EPL is now bearing fruit for the England team and it's been happening for the last few years. Academy players coming through and playing in the most demanding league with and against some of the best players in the world. It's making a difference now at international level because they're not phased by anything. It's completely different to 20,30 or 40 years ago.
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great point but it won't stop the usual naysayers trying to put it down.
 
PNENIL said:
It might not be what people want to hear on here but the EPL is now bearing fruit for the England team and it's been happening for the last few years. Academy players coming through and playing in the most demanding league with and against some of the best players in the world. It's making a difference now at international level because they're not phased by anything. It's completely different to 20,30 or 40 years ago.
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I'd hang fire with that one if I were you.

That the EPL has been an outstanding success should not be open to question - but it will be on here - and England have been relatively successful at the Euro's.

I'm not sure that England's relative success is down to academy players coming through and playing in the EPL or that everything is completely different to 20, 30, 40 years ago.
 
PNENIL said:
It might not be what people want to hear on here but the EPL is now bearing fruit for the England team and it's been happening for the last few years. Academy players coming through and playing in the most demanding league with and against some of the best players in the world. It's making a difference now at international level because they're not phased by anything. It's completely different to 20,30 or 40 years ago.
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Agree, the standard of player coming through now is significantly better than it was 20-30 years ago. That's not to say we didn't have good players, but I think the pool to choose from is far greater whereas before we only had one or two who had the technical ability. We've never had a half dozen players like Grealish, Foden, Mount, Sancho, Sterling and Saka. All of those are real match winners imo.
I think this new way of playing, where we're patient and pass along the back a lot waiting for an opportunity, is something that hasn't been in the English psyche. It'll take some getting used to for England fans but ultimately could (and should) be more successful.
 
Jesus wept. Blackpool is my team & always has been. I’m English so obviously England is my national team. As for this proper/ fair weather fan nonsense, it doesn’t matter how many games you go to
Or watch. They are your teams & you are entitled to have your say about how you perceive them to be performing. People’s priorities are different & whilst some may go galavanting all over the place watching their teams, where others may attach less importance, but still remain as passionate. I couldn’t care less if someone only goes to an odd game or every one, as there are many reasons why this is their choice. Here’s looking forward to next Wednesday & our season in the championship. 😄
 
Sooty59 said:
Jesus wept. Blackpool is my team & always has been. I’m English so obviously England is my national team. As for this proper/ fair weather fan nonsense, it doesn’t matter how many games you go to
Or watch. They are your teams & you are entitled to have your say about how you perceive them to be performing. People’s priorities are different & whilst some may go galavanting all over the place watching their teams, where others may attach less importance, but still remain as passionate. I couldn’t care less if someone only goes to an odd game or every one, as there are many reasons why this is their choice. Here’s looking forward to next Wednesday & our season in the championship. 😄
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think you are really misinterpreting my pov. When people openly state they care very little for their national team, especially at a time when they are not doing well, then yep imo they are fairweather fans. Only interested when the team is doing well. Why do think we've sold more season tickets this season? It's a fact that more people want to watch us the higher up the leagues we go, so in effect their support is conditional on our success. That has always been the case and the terminolgy fair weather fans was coined for those sort of fans. It's no big issue because that's the case with pretty much every club and we are no different in that respect. That said I do find your comment a bit of an oxymoron. How can some-one attaching less importance to something be as passionate as some-one who attaches far more importance.
 
Crikey, so it sounds like my premature ejaculation theory must be true. Some supporters are sooo passionate about England that they literally jizz in their pants when we play fairly well.

In fact some (only the real stalwart passionate types) actually ejaculate to the National Anthem.

God Sa…. (Sorry… has anyone got a tissue)😳
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Crikey, so it sounds like my premature ejaculation theory must be true. Some supporters are sooo passionate about England that they literally jizz in their pants when we play fairly well.

In fact some (only the real stalwart passionate types) actually ejaculate to the National Anthem.

God Sa…. (Sorry… has anyone got a tissue)😳
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better than jizzing up your nose.
 
gjr69 said:
Johnson is crap and it is embarrassing that we as a nation think he is the best leader available to us but there are loads of good things about being English and living in England.
One of them being that we can freely call Johnson a lying, cheating, self serving, pompous, snobby, arrogant, lazy fat waste of space!
As for the England team, excellent performance and result. Such a strong squad with so many options, I hope Southgate continues to get his team selection right, this tournament is winnable!!
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Give 'em time and criticising the government will be outlawed, then 20s and his ilk will have to direct their misguided patriotism somewhere else.

I literally couldn't give a flying fuck what others think of England or Blackpool.
 
Merry Andrew said:
Come on Jaffa, you know that no tory is acceptable. Unfortunately no socialist is competent enough to run the country either.

A poll showed that the most popular people in the UK are

Anthony Hopkins
Michael Caine
Helen Mirren

Maybe one of those would be a popular choice.
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Makes sense seeing as none of them pay tax or live in this country.
 
What a bizarre thread….
If anti English is slagging Southgate off for his tactics …then pre German game virtually everyone in the country’s guilty…all of a sudden a couple of good results and the “told you so brigade” are out in full force….🤣
 
Killingmesoftly said:
What a bizarre thread….
If anti English is slagging Southgate off for his tactics …then pre German game virtually everyone in the country’s guilty…all of a sudden a couple of good results and the “told you so brigade” are out in full force….🤣
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I didn't criticise his tactics once, which apparently makes me the only true patriot here, not that I'm one to say I told you so.
 
Perfectly normal to be a England team critic, it's what fans usually do.

Especially so when we have had teams full of celebrities and superstars who were unable or couldn't be arsed putting a performance in, whilst putting more effort into nurturing their own personal brand.

There's also the Wembley effect, ridiculous that England don't play games across the whole nation. It's an England team not a London team.

Current team seems to be thriving because they are younger and many of them have played for England from youth levels and up. As a result there seems to be a cohesive group actually fighting and playing for each other. Can't remember enjoying an England side as much as this one at any other time.
 
coppiceman said:
I think it is very debatable, personally.
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No problem Coppice, you are fully entitled to your opinion but the objective data indicates that it is very, very successful.

I am not sure it was set up for the England national team or Blackpool Football Club to prosper.
 
I've slagged off England and Southgate pre-tournament and several times since his appointment. That doesn't mean i don't want him to be successful.
I've been critical of his team and his tactics this tournament but he's proved me wrong and I'm delighted.
He gets paid a lot of money to pick the right team and I offer a view with hindsight about where he's gone wrong all for free.
That's why my opinions are exclusive to friends and this messageboard.
I'm buzzing with Nationalistic football pride after last night and now I'm believing that it really is
"Coming home".
 
Insider said:
I've slagged off England and Southgate pre-tournament and several times since his appointment. That doesn't mean i don't want him to be successful.
I've been critical of his team and his tactics this tournament but he's proved me wrong and I'm delighted.
He gets paid a lot of money to pick the right team and I offer a view with hindsight about where he's gone wrong all for free.
That's why my opinions are exclusive to friends and this messageboard.
I'm buzzing with Nationalistic football pride after last night and now I'm believing that it really is
"Coming home".
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Sorry, but you’re not as passionate and loyal as 20togo👎
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Sorry, but you’re not as passionate and loyal as 20togo👎
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Not long back you were saying you were losing interest and enjoyed becoming a hermit in deepest darkest Wales. I know you like to play the contrary **** and I enjoy you doing that.
 
Please listen to yourselves.
All the Critchley should go , players are shit blah blah blah after the first 10 games last season were they anti Blackpool?
Of course they weren't.
They were frustrated at the start of the season, team selections and style of play but they still wanted Blackpool to do well ( with the exception of 62 years 🤣🤣)

Fast forward to the start of the Euro championships and the similarities were unbelievable.
I was one who slagged Southgate and some of the players off.
That did not mean I wanted england to fail miserably.
Likewise I was not like some who blinkeredly said all was find and everything will be fine.

We now find ourselves in the semi final after the best performance I've seen from an England team for a long long while in beating the Ukraine.

IF we go on to win the tournament I will celebrate with everyone else in the country who wants to celebrate, it wont be hypocritical as I've always wanted England to win things but have been let down so many times in the past.

After last night nothing but the final is acceptable imo, I hope the plucky fighters that fall at the quater/semi finals period is over.
 
Good innings if slightly negative but building nicely.
Should reach 120 before close of play.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Please listen to yourselves.
All the Critchley should go , players are shit blah blah blah after the first 10 games last season were they anti Blackpool?
Of course they weren't.
They were frustrated at the start of the season, team selections and style of play but they still wanted Blackpool to do well ( with the exception of 62 years 🤣🤣)

Fast forward to the start of the Euro championships and the similarities were unbelievable.
I was one who slagged Southgate and some of the players off.
That did not mean I wanted england to fail miserably.
Likewise I was not like some who blinkeredly said all was find and everything will be fine.

We now find ourselves in the semi final after the best performance I've seen from an England team for a long long while in beating the Ukraine.

IF we go on to win the tournament I will celebrate with everyone else in the country who wants to celebrate, it wont be hypocritical as I've always wanted England to win things but have been let down so many times in the past.

After last night nothing but the final is acceptable imo, I hope the plucky fighters that fall at the quater/semi finals period is over.
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I accept I was in the Southgate out camp but never in the Critchley out camp.
I'm far more knowledgeable about Blackpool and it's players and could therefore offer a more considered opinion.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Please listen to yourselves.
All the Critchley should go , players are shit blah blah blah after the first 10 games last season were they anti Blackpool?
Of course they weren't.
They were frustrated at the start of the season, team selections and style of play but they still wanted Blackpool to do well ( with the exception of 62 years 🤣🤣)

Fast forward to the start of the Euro championships and the similarities were unbelievable.
I was one who slagged Southgate and some of the players off.
That did not mean I wanted england to fail miserably.
Likewise I was not like some who blinkeredly said all was find and everything will be fine.

We now find ourselves in the semi final after the best performance I've seen from an England team for a long long while in beating the Ukraine.

IF we go on to win the tournament I will celebrate with everyone else in the country who wants to celebrate, it wont be hypocritical as I've always wanted England to win things but have been let down so many times in the past.

After last night nothing but the final is acceptable imo, I hope the plucky fighters that fall at the quater/semi finals period is over.
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That's a good post and I agree with much of it but it's never been the thrust of my pov. My point is that many posters on AVFTT seem to have a big disconnect with the national team until England start getting a few decent results and they suddenly then find an interest again. And that's why I use the term fairweather fans. Evidence shown from around the country and from Wembley itself last tuesday shows that imo so many people care about their countries team than some on AVFTT do.

Opinions on football players, teams and managers are the lifeblood of football debate.
 
I think England will always have fans who duck in and out depending on the performance and results.
I’m definitely more interested since we’ve picked up pace and progressed further in the competition.
With Blackpool I’d hang in there whatever.
Guess that’s just the way I roll and it is what it is. Am happy with that though.
 
Insider said:
I accept I was in the Southgate out camp but never in the Critchley out camp.
I'm far more knowledgeable about Blackpool and it's players and could therefore offer a more considered opinion.
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I was in the Southgate out camp and the Critchley in camp.
Its not that I know more about one or the other, it's that I could see what Critchley was trying to do.
After the group stages of this comp, all I could see was a defensive, limited side.
Last nights performance was so Jekyll and Hyde I couldn't quite believe it.

I sincerely hope that Southgate continues with the aggressive press and attacking in packs as it obviously pays dividends, I would think that the Italians or Spanish would much rather play Denmark in the final. That's not to say Denmark are a bad side but the way England played last night no one would get a breather on the opposition
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
No problem Coppice, you are fully entitled to your opinion but the objective data indicates that it is very, very successful.

I am not sure it was set up for the England national team or Blackpool Football Club to prosper.
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The objective data would show that the preponderance of overseas players has reduced the talent available for the national side, while most clubs are financial basket cases.
 
Bottle said:
So you can’t be a true England fan if you have slagged them off in the past? If that rule applies then none of us are Blackpool fans.

I’ve an interest in watching England, but to me its not the be all and end all of football, I just happen to be English so that’s where I hang my hat, same with Blackpool but that means more to me than being English.

But like watching Rugby, I’ve an interest in the 6 Nations say and want England to do well, but I’m not bothered if they lose, there is no real connection to the National teams as I don’t go to matches week on week watching them.

Quite happy to be an England “plastic”, can just watch a game and enjoy/not enjoy at my leisure.
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Pretty much how I feel.

If England lose Wednesday ill be over it very quickly. If they win, great.
 
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