Total Lockdown Inevitable.

TangerineBayern said:
Common sense needs to be applied, that’s my interpretation.
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Exactly. As long as you are happy you aredoing the right thing and using common sense then what's the problem .Some people would rather politically point score and make a big issue out of it though.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's a bit of a grey area really and the actual Law hasn't yet been put in place anyway only guidance. The Government has adopted a policy of overstating the exercise of the powers in the published guidance so far, as opposed to actually passing laws to match. So to that extent, the requirement to stay local is not a legal requirement or enforcable in law.
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Will be from Wednesday apparently.
 
20togo said:
Exactly. Some people would rather politically point score than just use basic common sense though.
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How is it common sense to drive to the Trough of Bowland when the Prom and beach are literally on your doorstep? I'd understand it if I lived in somewhere like Accrington with no green space around but not the Fylde coast. In a couple of months you'll be blaming the public for not following guidance.
 
20togo said:
Exactly. As long as you are happy you aredoing the right thing and using common sense then what's the problem .Some people would rather politically point score and make a big issue out of it though.
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Oh ffs. Disagreeing with your beloved Boris is not political point scoring. I'd no longer vote Labour than wear a PNE shirt. Take the Dog for a walk will you
 
Wizaard said:
How is it common sense to drive to the Trough of Bowland when the Prom and beach are literally on your doorstep? I'd understand it if I lived in somewhere like Accrington with no green space around but not the Fylde coast. In a couple of months you'll be blaming the public for not following guidance.
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It isn't but I'm not doing it. I can't be responsible for all those who knowingly full well flout the guidance. And if some-one doesn't follow the guidance then it's perfectly reasonable to blame them is it not?
 
20togo said:
It isn't but I'm not doing it. I can't be responsible for all those who knowingly full well flout the guidance. And if some-one doesn't follow the guidance then it's perfectly reasonable to blame them is it not?
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It's the common sense being adopted by some on this thread.
 
Hertsseasider said:
Oh ffs. Disagreeing with your beloved Boris is not political point scoring. I'd no longer vote Labour than wear a PNE shirt. Take the Dog for a walk will you
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He's not my beloved Boris at all. I've just posted that he'll get his come uppance soon enough. Check it out. I just don't get so wound up about everything like so many of you do. .
 
Needed to be done but my concern is a mixture of many people still working unlike in March and people simply not following the rules and doing whatever they please is it going to work this lockdown?
 
hertfordseasider said:
The rate is increasing massively down here every day. Good to see the Fylde is not too bad in comparison.
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A question about this increasing rate though, it's cold, pubs are shut. Sports events aren't happening. There are no mass gatherings, no thousands of people on beaches etc. So how are the rates climbing so much? Nothing adds up at the minute, it literally makes zero sense as to why it's at the levels it is.
 
SeasideKurt said:
A question about this increasing rate though, it's cold, pubs are shut. Sports events aren't happening. There are no mass gatherings, no thousands of people on beaches etc. So how are the rates climbing so much? Nothing adds up at the minute, it literally makes zero sense as to why it's at the levels it is.
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Also, the majority of people up and down the country in hospitals are over 60. Where are they getting it from? They cant all be in Asda at the same time!
 
SeasideKurt said:
A question about this increasing rate though, it's cold, pubs are shut. Sports events aren't happening. There are no mass gatherings, no thousands of people on beaches etc. So how are the rates climbing so much? Nothing adds up at the minute, it literally makes zero sense as to why it's at the levels it is.
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It's winter
 
SeasideKurt said:
A question about this increasing rate though, it's cold, pubs are shut. Sports events aren't happening. There are no mass gatherings, no thousands of people on beaches etc. So how are the rates climbing so much? Nothing adds up at the minute, it literally makes zero sense as to why it's at the levels it is.
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The rates are climbing because of two things the new variant/strain is much more contagious than the original strain and can be transferred/caught by doing very little if you come near an infected person/carrier yes a shop a supermarket is a classic breeding ground.

Secondly and without doubt the worse case Its arseholes who still blatantly ignore government advice and who held Christmas parties/New year parties.

I only found out about a house pretty much opposite me (Young couple) held a Christmas party attended by about 20 people a couple of days after the event, the same people held a birthday party for their young kid attended by family and several friends (bouncy castle and all) during the first lockdown.

This is one incident in one street in my village so don’t tell me it’s just an isolated incident.

Anyway the good news I’ve since heard off my next door Neighbour they’ve already had a visit from the old bill over the Christmas party night.
Arseholes just no other word for people like this.
 
SeasideKurt said:
This should have been put in place in March. But here we are, 10 months later and it can still happen. It's a national disgrace to be honest. I defended the government at the start but now it's impossible.
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It's the slow drip drip method. Let people scream to lose their liberty. It makes it so much easier to effect. So say some.
 
SeasideKurt said:
This should have been put in place in March. But here we are, 10 months later and it can still happen. It's a national disgrace to be honest. I defended the government at the start but now it's impossible.
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Michael Gove was just asked about testing at the point of entry and couldn't give any figures

For me it's baffling that nine months into the pandemic that people can just wander in and out of the UK without compulsory testing and I'd suggest enforced isolation until the test results are available
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
The rates are climbing because of two things the new variant/strain is much more contagious than the original strain and can be transferred/caught by doing very little if you come near an infected person/carrier yes a shop a supermarket is a classic breeding ground.

Secondly and without doubt the worse case Its arseholes who still blatantly ignore government advice and who held Christmas parties/New year parties.

I only found out about a house pretty much opposite me (Young couple) held a Christmas party attended by about 20 people a couple of days after the event, the same people held a birthday party for their young kid attended by family and several friends (bouncy castle and all) during the first lockdown.

This is one incident in one street in my village so don’t tell me it’s just an isolated incident.

Anyway the good news I’ve since heard off my next door Neighbour they’ve already had a visit from the old bill over the Christmas party night.
Arseholes just no other word for people like this.
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You mean the new variant “That is 50-70%” more transmissible?

The one that comes down your chimney on a mini gps guided air bubble. The one that can leap 3 meters instead of 2, can penetrate masks and has a shield of steel to protect itself from sanitiser and hand washing?

Or do you mean the bullshit that has been invented to cover up for the fact that the Government policy (especially down South) has essentially allowed the virus to regain a foothold and that’s been compounded by social mixing of Christmas?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You mean the new variant “That is 50-70%” more transmissible?

The one that comes down your chimney on a mini gps guided air bubble. The one that can leap 3 meters instead of 2, can penetrate masks and has a shield of steel to protect itself from sanitiser and hand washing?

Or do you mean the bullshit that has been invented to cover up for the fact that the Government policy (especially down South) has essentially allowed the virus to regain a foothold and that’s been compounded by social mixing of Christmas?
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Unfortunately I’am not medically qualified to say how the new virus gets transferred so easily but i’d Sooner put my faith in the medical experts rather than the ones on we have on here. (No pun intended BFC by the way)
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Unfortunately I’am not medically qualified to say how the new virus gets transferred so easily but i’d Sooner put my faith in the medical experts rather than the ones on we have on here. (No pun intended BFC by the way)
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No it’s fine....

It’s just interesting how they manage to quote such an accurate figure for the transmissibility...Especially since scientists are still debating whether U.K. this and other variants are actually more transmissible (in the human environment) at all.
 
SeasideKurt said:
A question about this increasing rate though, it's cold, pubs are shut. Sports events aren't happening. There are no mass gatherings, no thousands of people on beaches etc. So how are the rates climbing so much? Nothing adds up at the minute, it literally makes zero sense as to why it's at the levels it is.
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It is strange, but I have been able to speak to a Consultant who is on the Covid unit here as I work for her and she puts it down to this new strain which is horribly virulent and is much easier to catch, that would make sense. Plus I think a lot of people have ignored the rules over Christmas and New year and that will have made a difference. I caught it just from hugging my son, I shouldn't have done it, but it was reaction so it is a lesson learnt and I can say for sure that it is as easy as that.

The 2 guys who work for me have symptoms and have both gone for tests today and they have been nowhere for the last 2 weeks as they have been off for the Christmas periodic they have got it, where have they got it from? They only go food shopping. I just hope that this new lockdown will keep numbers down and decrease up there on the gold coast, I think here it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better and the numbers are going to be really bad. I can't see there being an ease of lockdown until the start of March at the earliest and they need to keep it going and not relax it too soon.
 
One of the guys who works for me just contacted me and said the drive in testing centre was absolutely rammed, cars queuing into the main road. When I went in early December we were the only people there. The Christmas mixing was massive mistake it should never of happened, the snowflakes who were whinging that it was such an important family time made me sick, and that attitude meant many people just ignored the one day family meeting of 2 families, I know of plenty of people who ignored it and had full family Christmases over a few days.
 
hertfordseasider said:
One of the guys who works for me just contacted me and said the drive in testing centre was absolutely rammed, cars queuing into the main road. When I went in early December we were the only people there. The Christmas mixing was massive mistake it should never of happened, the snowflakes who were whinging that it was such an important family time made me sick, and that attitude meant many people just ignored the one day family meeting of 2 families, I know of plenty of people who ignored it and had full family Christmases over a few days.
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Obviously there’s time yet, but there doesn’t seem to be much to suggest that case numbers have increased much in the last week. If anything they (based on the latest publish data) seem to have remained relatively stable, especially considering the whole who ha made about Christmas.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Obviously there’s time yet, but there doesn’t seem to be much to suggest that case numbers have increased much in the last week. If anything they (based on the latest publish data) seem to have remained relatively stable, especially considering the whole who ha made about Christmas.
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Maybe up there, but certainly not here, it is rising massively every day.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Maybe up there, but certainly not here, it is rising massively every day.
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Where abouts?

I looked at the data for SE and it’s the same as the national profile... Pretty static for the past 7 days.

Just re-checked and, if anything itls the opposite mate...

It's actually growing up here and levelling off down there
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Where abouts?

I looked at the data for SE and it’s the same as the national profile... Pretty static for the past 7 days.
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Just look at the BBC how many cases and put in CB22 and look, a couple of months ago there were about 34 per 1,000 it's now 500/600 and rising. It's horrendous at the moment surely you can see that? Not as bad up North, but what has made it go from 30 to 600 and rising in such a short space in time ?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Obviously there’s time yet, but there doesn’t seem to be much to suggest that case numbers have increased much in the last week. If anything they (based on the latest publish data) seem to have remained relatively stable, especially considering the whole who ha made about Christmas.
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Latest figures for Wyre
last 7 days 395 which is an increase of 199 which gives an increase of 101.5%
I think xmas mingling has a lot to answer for.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Just look at the BBC how many cases and put in CB22 and look, a couple of months ago there were about 34 per 1,000 it's now 500/600 and rising. It's horrendous at the moment surely you can see that? Not as bad up North, but what has made it go from 30 to 600 and rising in such a short space in time ?
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If you look across the last 7 Days, the rate of increase has slowed in the SE & London...

In fact London have recorded less cases yesterday than they did for the same day 1 week ago..

By comparison the cases in the NW have more than doubled over the same period.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
If you look across the last 7 Days, the rate of increase has slowed in the SE & London...

In fact London have recorded less cases yesterday than they did for the same day 1 week ago..

By comparison the cases in the NW have more than doubled over the same period.
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I guess I was just looking at the numbers and was comparing the Fylde to Cambridge and the Fylde is half that of here, I didn't realise the North West was increasing, that's not good. However, it may be going down in London but in Cambs it is still increasing. The numbers aren't great whichever way you look at it.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I guess I was just looking at the numbers and was comparing the Fylde to Cambridge and the Fylde is half that of here, I didn't realise the North West was increasing, that's not good. However, it may be going down in London but in Cambs it is still increasing. The numbers aren't great whichever way you look at it.
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No they're not great, but on the positive, the implemented measures do appear to be having a positive impact and when you consider that people will have been mixing regardless over Christmas, then it's probably not that bad... Obviously we may see some impact from whatever happened on New Year over the course of this week.

The rates on the Fylde have increased over the past week, but I'd imagine people here have possibly been a bit more lax over Christmas than they have in London & SE perhaps.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
No they're not great, but on the positive, the implemented measures do appear to be having a positive impact and when you consider that people will have been mixing regardless over Christmas, then it's probably not that bad... Obviously we may see some impact from whatever happened on New Year over the course of this week.

The rates on the Fylde have increased over the past week, but I'd imagine people here have possibly been a bit more lax over Christmas than they have in London & SE perhaps.
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With a bit of luck, once the vaccines start rolling out properly and lockdown kicks in we should start to see the light at the end of the tunnel by the Spring, but it is going to take at least this year to get everyone vaccinated. If they can do 2 minion a week, which they really need to be, although I don't think they will then it could be done quicker.
 
Some random points I'd make:

1) We're testing so many more people on a much more regular basis. It stands to reason that we're going to find a lot more cases.
2) It's winter (as ROT says), these types of virus are always more prevalent.
3) I find it incredibly hard to believe that it can be categorically proven that Hertford caught it by hugging his son once. We can't do track and trace properly, yet we can pinpoint the exact moment an individual was 'contaminated'?
4) Outdoor exercise without contact or interaction with others (or just with your household) can not be an issue at all. The notion that travelling - safely - to a place and then exercising - safely - in that place could increase the spread is laughable and has no basis in science.
5) There's a huge difference between Singapore and the UK and comparing the 2 is an 'apples and oranges' scenario.
6) The workplace, shops and petrol stations are likely to be the most frequent point of 'contact' and interaction.
7) The Nightingale hospitals are unstaffed or have no equipment. Why?
8) The armed forces are (apparently) not being used to support the NHS. Why?
9) The rollout of vaccines is truncated. Why?
 
Levi501 said:
Same here, the beach looked like Crufts yesterday!
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Far too many wild dogs on the beach these days for me to risk running on it. A few on the prom too but most dog owners are responsible and keep their beasts on a lead. Ridiculous to have your dog unleashed when there are walkers and runners about. Got chased by a wild mutt whilst cycling the other week. Usual story - the owner called it but it ignored the calls. Just about managed to "outride" it before I needed to consider kicking it away or not.
 
Wizaard said:
How is it common sense to drive to the Trough of Bowland when the Prom and beach are literally on your doorstep? I'd understand it if I lived in somewhere like Accrington with no green space around but not the Fylde coast. In a couple of months you'll be blaming the public for not following guidance.
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Although to be fair, there are many hills to get out on surrounding Accrington.
 
straightatthewall said:
Some random points I'd make:

1) We're testing so many more people on a much more regular basis. It stands to reason that we're going to find a lot more cases.
2) It's winter (as ROT says), these types of virus are always more prevalent.
3) I find it incredibly hard to believe that it can be categorically proven that Hertford caught it by hugging his son once. We can't do track and trace properly, yet we can pinpoint the exact moment an individual was 'contaminated'?
4) Outdoor exercise without contact or interaction with others (or just with your household) can not be an issue at all. The notion that travelling - safely - to a place and then exercising - safely - in that place could increase the spread is laughable and has no basis in science.
5) There's a huge difference between Singapore and the UK and comparing the 2 is an 'apples and oranges' scenario.
6) The workplace, shops and petrol stations are likely to be the most frequent point of 'contact' and interaction.
7) The Nightingale hospitals are unstaffed or have no equipment. Why?
8) The armed forces are (apparently) not being used to support the NHS. Why?
9) The rollout of vaccines is truncated. Why?
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I think your point 1 seems to be missed by most people. Think it's pretty obvious really. Perhaps the numbers have always be much higher than we've realised. It's just that the more testing now proves it.
 
Wizaard said:
Agree with that. So how does that square with those saying they're driving to Pendle, Trough of Bowland, Lakes etc?
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If local area was specified, it would alleviate all these issues. For me, local area includes for example Beacon Fell or Nicky Nook, possibly Parlick...but that's because these are my local hills for running on. They are all in Lancashire - but I would consider a drive to say, Darwen Tower or Rivington Pike to be too far. And certainly not the Lakes - not even the same county (or Tier most of the time). Think the "once a day" exercise rule is a bit daft. Firstly, what counts as "exercise" ( a 200m walk to the postbox and back?), and why is it a problem anyway? Just muddies the situation further.
Can't understand why the Govt can't just say "within 10 miles of your home" or similar. Then no excuses if you're caught further out and easier for the police to be seen to be treating people fairly. I think the reason this isn't specified may be that to the majority of Westminster MPs, outdoor exercise isn't really something on their daily radar?
 
Wizaard said:
If necessary. I'd say walking along the Prom all the way from Fleetwood isn't necessary.
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But what is "necessary" in terms of exercise? It isn't actually "necessary" at all in terms of staying alive - for a few months or so. I usually exercise for more than an hour a day on average in normal times. Yesterday, I cycled from my home to Fleetwood, then the length of the Prom to Starr Gate - and back home again. About 2 hours. Some people would say that isn't "necessary" - but it's probably as "necessary" to me as for some people doing a 10 minute walk. That's why the limits on distance from home should be specified as that's fairest to all (imho).
 
20togo said:
I think your point 1 seems to be missed by most people. Think it's pretty obvious really. Perhaps the numbers have always be much higher than we've realised. It's just that the more testing now proves it.
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Absolutely. As is the point re winter. Right now, we're moving into winter. In March we were moving out. I'm also amazed that more questions haven't been asked regarding the Nightingales and the use of the armed forces.
 
Roll out of vaccines truncated - not enough phials to put the vaccines in
Happily, Bojo has located ‘salvation for humanity’ in a factory in Wrexham to solve this problem
 
Hertsseasider said:
This.
Plus:
I can go shopping
I can go for a walk
I can play golf with one other person
I can go to Church
I can get on a bus. And a Train. And a Tram
I can attend a wedding. And a funeral
I can take my kids to school
etc etc
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Killingmesoftly said:
I still can’t get my head round it being called a lockdown.....
Everyone stay home, apart from school kids, university students/lecturers, most workers ie virtually everyone....
Hardly martial law is it.......?
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As opposed to a proper lockdown in the Peoples’ Republic of China where everyone in Wuhan, a city of ELEVEN MILLION people, had to stay at home ALL the time, with ONE person allowed out ONCE every two weeks to buy enough food to keep their family going for the next two weeks.

And they all obeyed until virus transmission was suppressed. Then their T&T was able to cope with controlling sporadic outbreaks. Similar approaches used in other Asia/Pacific countries. Our citizens would not put up with that, complaining about infringement of liberty etc. It might be repressive but that is where real authoritarianism has its effect.
 
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BlackpoolPuma said:
It really is the older generation who are huge offenders when it comes to breaking covid rules.
To my horror, my 88 year old stepmother held a NYE party with members of her own family attending. Two were invited up from London and up they came as if the pandemic was just something that happened to other people. My dad has dementia but he’s constantly sent out to get food and provisions and he forgets the virus and his mask half the time.

I f@#ing despair
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Yep, and all those rave parties they arrange.................bloody disgraceful!
 
hertfordseasider said:
The real downside for me will be empty roads of motor propelled vehicles (great) but a massive increase in lycra clad cycling wankers!!
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Impossible to wank on a bike.......................I've tried......................you may have been more successful though. What you really need is a tandem with a female stoker.
 
BlackpoolPuma said:
It really is the older generation who are huge offenders when it comes to breaking covid rules.
To my horror, my 88 year old stepmother held a NYE party with members of her own family attending. Two were invited up from London and up they came as if the pandemic was just something that happened to other people. My dad has dementia but he’s constantly sent out to get food and provisions and he forgets the virus and his mask half the time.

I f@#ing despair
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Wicked stepmother syndrome
 
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straightatthewall said:
Absolutely. As is the point re winter. Right now, we're moving into winter. In March we were moving out. I'm also amazed that more questions haven't been asked regarding the Nightingales and the use of the armed forces.
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There isn't the staff to man the intensive care Nightingales. Efficiencies over the last decade have seen to that. Plus if nurses take 5 minutes to record a tik tok they're called lazy.
 
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