Wassup with the Muckers?

SEASIDE2020 said:
Sorry, I was just thinking that you were wrong to have a pop at BST and blame them for Sadler ignoring the Muckers but I see where you are coming from now.

I'm not saying it's definitely happening but certainly easy for Sadler to just listen to one group and for them to blow smoke up each others @rse than to listen to all groups, especially when some might be more challenging about certain issues.

Like I say, I wouldn't pretend to know exactly what's happening but you certainly make good and fair points there.
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Stop trying to get yourself off "the list"!
 
Kyle Seasider said:
The current BST committee don't even want to talk to their own members. That's why their membership numbers have been dropping. I was a member during the boycott, but left after. My dad left last year because of the lack of communication. It would have to be done by the club or someone independent.
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Im not even sure I’m still a member of bst.

I joined during the boycott and I skim read the odd email from them. I wouldn’t say they represent me . I don’t need any representation now . I suspect that’s the same for a lot of their members .

Is there any point in any meetings with supporters anyway ?

A couple of open forum days a year in a large room would suffice ?

Wouldn’t that keep everyone happy in the circs ?

What is there to talk about ?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I wouldn't be like that.
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I'm sure you wouldn't 66.

It's not the biggest crime in the world, it can be wrong, very wrong at times but human nature in something as insignifcent as a football supporters group.

I have nothing against you 66, the only thing that you've said that I think is ridiculous is your BST/Muckers merger and you didn't mean any harm.
 
Barbarian said:
As an owner, the reality is I would want to speak to one group who are representative of the fanbase, whatever their name is.

Without wanting to start an argument, as an observation, is the word 'Muckers' a serious name for a fans group.
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The problem with that though is how do you decide which group is representative of the fan base ?

I presume bst are the largest democratically elected but is that the criteria ?

What if there is a larger group ?

Why does a name matter ?

I go back to what I said before . Hold a couple of open forum meetings a year with all groups .
 
The Muckers isn't a supporters group. It's a handful of sad-acts with social accounts.

They haven't done anything of value, and plenty of harm with their bullshit over the years; gossip mongers, turning on players before they have even kicked a ball in tangerine, etc.

They're dickheads. Instead of complaining they're not at the table, maybe they should do something to *deserve* a seat at the table.
 
Marcusbeansontoast said:
The Muckers bring positives, the North stand, getting all the fans together who want an atmosphere is their doing. The kids mascot packages, etc.. They need a rebrand if they want to be taken seriously, the club can’t engage with a group with the same name as the 90s ‘football firm’. You wouldn’t get West Ham offering the ICF a seat at a board meeting. Likewise the meeting with the players - the club should never have let it happen, well intentioned or not.

But they are probably the biggest, certainly loudest fans voice at the club and the club can’t just ignore them. It needs them to be honest to keep that north stand going.
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The Muckers were still wearing short pants in the 90’s, they didn’t form until approximately 2004/5.
 
AngelBFC said:
The problem with that though is how do you decide which group is representative of the fan base ?
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The've simply asked who has the most members I guess?

The answer is still, we need one single group, who could be a combination of all the individual groups. Someone in all the individual supporters groups needs to brigade all of them together.

Is that really for the SLO to do?
 
The Muckers have done some nice things over the years and those involved deserve the praise. That being said they’ve also acted like complete bellends and been embarrassments in equal measure at times. It’s that lack of consistency and the chance of them kicking up a storm which is why I wouldn’t want them anywhere near the club in any sort of official capacity.
BST are at least consistent and aren’t going to set fire to the stadium when they don’t get what they want - hence it’s understandable the club would be much more inclined to engage with them.
Sensible really.
 
cside said:
The Muckers isn't a supporters group. It's a handful of sad-acts with social accounts.

They haven't done anything of value, and plenty of harm with their bullshit over the years; gossip mongers, turning on players before they have even kicked a ball in tangerine, etc.

They're dickheads. Instead of complaining they're not at the table, maybe they should do something to *deserve* a seat at the table.
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They haven’t done anything of value??? They managed to get allocated A and B block in the North stand and managed to push the sale of 800/900 season tickets through being available for supporters to meet and complete the season ticket forms. So that equates to around £250,000 raised for the club.
Also raised monies for various charities a number of times. Riding from Paris to Blackpool, which meant giving time and a lot of sweat and blood is something I’d say is of value to the club. In fact Sadler donated £1306.19 to the GoFundMe page.
As you appear clueless that’s the date he took the club over.
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
Thats the issue though, if you aren't part of a fans group then you're voice will never be heard.
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The voice of the fans group is often the demagogue running it not the individual, so you still won’t be heard. Write to the club with your opinion or email then at least it has been aired.
 
WestHertsUnsocialClub said:
They haven’t done anything of value??? They managed to get allocated A and B block in the North stand and managed to push the sale of 800/900 season tickets through being available for supporters to meet and complete the season ticket forms. So that equates to around £250,000 raised for the club.
Also raised monies for various charities a number of times. Riding from Paris to Blackpool, which meant giving time and a lot of sweat and blood is something I’d say is of value to the club. In fact Sadler donated £1306.19 to the GoFundMe page.
As you appear clueless that’s the date he took the club over.
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They didn’t raise £250,000 getting people to sit together ffs. 95% of those tickets would have been bought regardless.

Yes they’ve helped create a good atmosphere but that atmosphere has also possibly helped create the breeding ground for numpties that lob things onto the pitch and at their own fans. It’s quite possibly cost the club more than it’s raised !!

They’ve done some good stuff for charity but they’re also loose cannons. The club can’t realistically involve itself in a professional manner with the risks the Muckers (some of them anyway) pose. It is the minority who ruin it
 
WestHertsUnsocialClub said:
They haven’t done anything of value??? They managed to get allocated A and B block in the North stand and managed to push the sale of 800/900 season tickets through being available for supporters to meet and complete the season ticket forms. So that equates to around £250,000 raised for the club.
Also raised monies for various charities a number of times. Riding from Paris to Blackpool, which meant giving time and a lot of sweat and blood is something I’d say is of value to the club. In fact Sadler donated £1306.19 to the GoFundMe page.
As you appear clueless that’s the date he took the club over.
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Are you saying that A and B would be empty if it wasn't for some wanker Facebook group? Have a day off mate.
 
WestHertsUnsocialClub said:
They haven’t done anything of value??? They managed to get allocated A and B block in the North stand and managed to push the sale of 800/900 season tickets through being available for supporters to meet and complete the season ticket forms. So that equates to around £250,000 raised for the club.
Also raised monies for various charities a number of times. Riding from Paris to Blackpool, which meant giving time and a lot of sweat and blood is something I’d say is of value to the club. In fact Sadler donated £1306.19 to the GoFundMe page.
As you appear clueless that’s the date he took the club over.
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800/900? LOL, in your dreams. I got told off someone who knows it was more like 180.

Their is room for both groups, the club has to deal with the Trust really as the main group going back before Sadler arrived. There was no such thing as the MSG then tbf.
 
You’ve only got to look at a recent post of the Muckers where they’re calling out BST for offering a trip to Brussels in December as some sort of attempt on the life of young people. They’re unhinged.

It’s like a kids been given access to their social media.
 
WestHertsUnsocialClub said:
They haven’t done anything of value??? They managed to get allocated A and B block in the North stand and managed to push the sale of 800/900 season tickets through being available for supporters to meet and complete the season ticket forms. So that equates to around £250,000 raised for the club.
Also raised monies for various charities a number of times. Riding from Paris to Blackpool, which meant giving time and a lot of sweat and blood is something I’d say is of value to the club. In fact Sadler donated £1306.19 to the GoFundMe page.
As you appear clueless that’s the date he took the club over.
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Also transformed a derelict business/building into a social club for all fans right across the road from the Club with a mural of a Club legend a hundred feet high on it’s side
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I'm sure you wouldn't 66.

It's not the biggest crime in the world, it can be wrong, very wrong at times but human nature in something as insignifcent as a football supporters group.

I have nothing against you 66, the only thing that you've said that I think is ridiculous is your BST/Muckers merger and you didn't mean any harm.
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Thank you. But I think it's possible.
 
Macseasider said:
Is that a non profit business for the members? Is the business ownership in the name of the Muckers then? Or is it something totally seperate?
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I'd like to know that as well. be nice to know whose making money out of me every weekend.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Also transformed a derelict business/building into a social club for all fans right across the road from the Club with a mural of a Club legend a hundred feet high on it’s side
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...driven by Higgy, who is also....chair of BST. A prime example of how you can constructively have a foot in both camps.

We can and will disagree, God knows it happens all the time. But keep it civil.
Those few among us who seek to ferment confrontation and divide the fanbase aren't doing anyone, or the club, any good.
 
Thinking of forming the Blackpool Unilateral Supporters Trust or BUST for short.
To be formally announced during the next Cup match.
Suggestions welcome to widen the appeal.
Don’t want to make a tit of myself. 👍
 
straightatthewall said:
Is it so different that people don't deserve some respect for genuine volunteer work? Which is ultimately what they're doing.
And comments in this thread levied against them read as disrespectful to me.
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Different as I’m only pointing out that the Muckers 00 are not the same thing as the MSG. That is what needs acknowledging by some. I wasn’t referring to BST or anyone connected to them in anyway.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
They’re obviously fighting against the totalitarianism of BST and their blatant outcasting of other supporters groups to ensure that Christine, Tim & Whittaker still maintain their seat at the top table.
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There’s an argument that Christine and Tim deserve their seat but Whittaker can get to fuck…

It’s unbelievable he’s involved to be honest given his stance during the Oyston protests and boycotts.

It’s also coincidental that since he’s got more involved this type of nonsense is taking place. Wonder why, top class wanker & I’ve never met him.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
We all support the same team mate. People should work together with people. It's not difficult. If people want to seek out difference be different and exploit it for positional advantage then I say, poo! You're wrong, and it works to no-one's benefit.
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BASIL certainly have positional advantage when it comes to our FA Cup tie 😂
 
AngelBFC said:
The problem with that though is how do you decide which group is representative of the fan base ?

I presume bst are the largest democratically elected but is that the criteria ?

What if there is a larger group ?

Why does a name matter ?

I go back to what I said before . Hold a couple of open forum meetings a year with all groups .
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The largest group are season ticket holders.
 
Adams Kebab said:
There’s an argument that Christine and Tim deserve their seat but Whittaker can get to fuck…

It’s unbelievable he’s involved to be honest given his stance during the Oyston protests and boycotts.

It’s also coincidental that since he’s got more involved this type of nonsense is taking place. Wonder why, top class wanker & I’ve never met him.
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He's been involved for absolutely ages...

From what I can see, BST sought feedback from their members a good while ago now and are simply responding to that feedback, by trying to establish better communication links with the Club. In any normal world, that would be considered to be a good thing.
 
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