Wassup with the Muckers?

Adams Kebab said:
There’s an argument that Christine and Tim deserve their seat but Whittaker can get to fuck…

It’s unbelievable he’s involved to be honest given his stance during the Oyston protests and boycotts.

It’s also coincidental that since he’s got more involved this type of nonsense is taking place. Wonder why, top class wanker & I’ve never met him.
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I think we would be stronger as a support base if we were to put the past behind us. People behave differently - that's the real human nature - but so is coming together and working towards a common objective. That is not helped by calling people names.
 
cside said:
It's exactly things like this which shows the Muckers for the absolute clowns they are.

Trying to spin a genuine tragedy for football fans, when people died, into scoring some kind of political point-scoring against another fan group - that is disgraceful.
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Exactly this. Sadler can't afford to let this kind of behaviour anywhere near the Club in any official capacity.

You reap what you sow.
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
Apparently, the club are going to be having monthly meeting with BST only as they're the biggest supporters group according to the SLO. This is what the Muckers are saying on Twitter. So the other supporters groups are going to be pushed to one side. I'd like to hear what the club say about this before I make any comment on it one way or the other.
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As a reminder, what I did say - in a private answer to the MSG that they chose to make public - was that the CEO agreed to meet with BST because they are the largest "formally-constituted" fans' group. By formally constituted, in the case of Blackpool Supporters' Trust that means a legally constituted co-operative, affiliated to the FSA, with a democratically appointed board of officers, independently verified annual elections, registered and fully Financial Conduct Authority compliant, with annually audited books and a committee that is held to account for all of the actions of the Trust.

I also pointed out in that leaked response to the MSG that the situation is only temporary until BFC has finalised and published its Fan Engagement Charter, which it is working on at the moment. There is no intention that dialogue will be with BST only or that dialogue with BST will be to the detriment or exclusion of any other supporters' groups. No return to the Oyston MO. That was never fair. Wait for further details of the proposed Fan Engagement process. Patience please.
 
The bloke who runs that account is a complete fool.

Sadler, is moving away from 'The Muckers' as lets be honest, they only bring bad press. I'm glad he is doing it now and it is a step in the right direction.

I don't know the politics, but I assume 'Grimmy' is still running the show? Not sure how a man with a criminal conviction can be involved to this extent, but based on the antics of the group last season with the fighting, abuse and crowd trouble. I am not surprised.

The abuse they give to other fans groups on Twitter is embarrassing and calling out Rhys Williams on fake texts last summer sums his gammon headed attitude up.

The sooner we get rid of morons like this, the better we will be.

And before anyone starts, I am not a member of any fan group.
 
OverTheLine said:
The bloke who runs that account is a complete fool.

Sadler, is moving away from 'The Muckers' as lets be honest, they only bring bad press. I'm glad he is doing it now and it is a step in the right direction.

I don't know the politics, but I assume 'Grimmy' is still running the show? Not sure how a man with a criminal conviction can be involved to this extent, but based on the antics of the group last season with the fighting, abuse and crowd trouble. I am not surprised.

The abuse they give to other fans groups on Twitter is embarrassing and calling out Rhys Williams on fake texts last summer sums his gammon headed attitude up.

The sooner we get rid of morons like this, the better we will be.

And before anyone starts, I am not a member of any fan group.
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No your a knobber
 
SLO_BFC said:
As a reminder, what I did say - in a private answer to the MSG that they chose to make public - was that the CEO agreed to meet with BST because they are the largest "formally-constituted" fans' group. By formally constituted, in the case of Blackpool Supporters' Trust that means a legally constituted co-operative, affiliated to the FSA, with a democratically appointed board of officers, independently verified annual elections, registered and fully Financial Conduct Authority compliant, with annually audited books and a committee that is held to account for all of the actions of the Trust.

I also pointed out in that leaked response to the MSG that the situation is only temporary until BFC has finalised and published its Fan Engagement Charter, which it is working on at the moment. There is no intention that dialogue will be with BST only or that dialogue with BST will be to the detriment or exclusion of any other supporters' groups. No return to the Oyston MO. That was never fair. Wait for further details of the proposed Fan Engagement process. Patience please.
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Not quite what you said in the message
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Yep I've got that screen shot and it's not quite what you posted above

The last paragraph is the worrying part
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What exactly is the worry?

This from my most recent column in the Gazette: "There was some speculation on social media platforms recently about the Club developing a ‘fan engagement’ charter. Several football clubs have already started down this route. The work being done on the Government’s White Paper to introduce independent regulation into the sport recognises that fans are a club’s biggest asset and fan engagement charters are intended as a positive development to improve the breadth and quality of supporter engagement with football clubs. More on this next time."
 
SLO_BFC said:
What exactly is the worry?

This from my most recent column in the Gazette: "There was some speculation on social media platforms recently about the Club developing a ‘fan engagement’ charter. Several football clubs have already started down this route. The work being done on the Government’s White Paper to introduce independent regulation into the sport recognises that fans are a club’s biggest asset and fan engagement charters are intended as a positive development to improve the breadth and quality of supporter engagement with football clubs. More on this next time."
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Yeah you can see just how it will go as was pointed out by seaside one and his tier comments

Come on!! people aren't that naive
 
SLO_BFC said:
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So it’s completely unclear…

You’ve not clarified whether the Club will continue to meet with BST in the interim or whether no further communication will take place with them either.

There’s no assurance at all that groups will not be excluded.

The fans charter is described as something that will ‘probably’ happen.

And there’s an ambiguity over whether association and affiliation’s might be treated differently.

In essence, the communication ends up opening up a complete can of worms and speculation.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So it’s completely unclear…

You’ve not clarified whether the Club will continue to meet with BST in the interim or whether no further communication will take place with them either.

There’s no assurance at all that groups will not be excluded.

The fans charter is described as something that will ‘probably’ happen.

And there’s an ambiguity over whether association and affiliation’s might be treated differently.

In essence, the communication ends up opening up a complete can of worms and speculation.
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With a new CEO bedding in I think it’s understandable that he wants to spend some time to get this right
Most certainly from what I heard he’s looking at wider and more varied engagement than we’ve seen
I think he deserves to be given the opportunity and just as importantly the time to do so
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
With a new CEO bedding in I think it’s understandable that he wants to spend some time to get this right
Most certainly from what I heard he’s looking at wider and more varied engagement than we’ve seen
I think he deserves to be given the opportunity and just as importantly the time to do so
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Of course it’s understandable… Absolutely!

However that communication from the SLO ‘private or not’ was ill considered and poorly written on a number of levels.

Talk about how to ‘wind the situation up’ and failing to understand your audience…
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course it’s understandable… Absolutely!

However that communication from the SLO ‘private or not’ was ill considered and poorly written on a number of levels.

Talk about how to ‘wind the situation up’ and failing to understand your audience…
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You're seeing it that way. Others are seeing it as damned if you do and damned if you don't. And a lot of it is blatantly agenda driven too. Which - as others have said - is all a bit playground and depressing.
 
IMHO there is nothing wrong with the meetings as they are/were with reps from each group. It is good to hear what each rep has to say and any of them can give their views on other groups input, backing them or suggesting alternatives etc.
I’d be happy to sack all meetings if the club held one or two open forums a year with owner, coach and a couple of players present at the front table as they used to be in the Tangerine club… switched to the Armfield or elsewhere.
That would be all inclusive and for the better. Otherwise leave it as it is.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So it’s completely unclear…

You’ve not clarified whether the Club will continue to meet with BST in the interim or whether no further communication will take place with them either.

There’s no assurance at all that groups will not be excluded.

The fans charter is described as something that will ‘probably’ happen.

And there’s an ambiguity over whether association and affiliation’s might be treated differently.

In essence, the communication ends up opening up a complete can of worms and speculation.
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Yep bang on but you aren't allowed to say that

All this national stuff and talk of associations and affiliations is complete bollocks and you can understand why the MSG are getting pissed off with it

The SLO is still taking like a BST committee man rather than a supposed independent SLO
 
straightatthewall said:
You're seeing it that way. Others are seeing it as damned if you do and damned if you don't. And a lot of it is blatantly agenda driven too. Which - as others have said - is all a bit playground and depressing.
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If BST received a communication that opened up with “The CEO decided to meet the MSG because they are the largest supporter group”

Which then went on to speculate about a future strategy that might seek to treat groups with bias, then I suspect BST would be up in arms.

Appreciate the reaction is not ideal, but come on mate…. That email is a wind up if ever there was.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
If BST received a communication that opened up with “The CEO decided to meet the MSG because they are the largest supporter group”

Which then went on to speculate about a future strategy that might seek to treat groups with bias, then I suspect BST would be up in arms.

Appreciate the reaction is not ideal, but come on mate…. That email is a wind up if ever there was.
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I would go further and say that the SLO has caused this shit storm
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t think that’s fair…

I think there’s fault across the board..

Club, BST, MSG & SLO

Reality is they’re all only human and shit happens.

It just needs sorting
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Probably would have been better to just pick the phone up

It does need sorted asap but apparently nothing is going happen until the new CEO gets his head around what BST tell him
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Sorry, I was just thinking that you were wrong to have a pop at BST and blame them for Sadler ignoring the Muckers but I see where you are coming from now.

I'm not saying it's definitely happening but certainly easy for Sadler to just listen to one group and for them to blow smoke up each others @rse than to listen to all groups, especially when some might be more challenging about certain issues.

Like I say, I wouldn't pretend to know exactly what's happening but you certainly make good and fair points there.
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ItsGrimUpNorth said:
Here is why they refuse to question Sadler. If they upset the apple cart, they have kiboshed their long term aim.

Their members loss is their gain.
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Are you suggesting that BST will just go along with Sadler and fail to challenge him because it could endanger supporter representation on the board ?

I'm thinking that some would consider that to be a little cryptic but it's certainly not impossible.

Apologies if that's not what you were suggesting.

I think it was more Phil who questioned their aims/objectives than me.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
Here is why they refuse to question Sadler. If they upset the apple cart, they have kiboshed their long term aim.

Their members loss is their gain.
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Their aim is to have ‘supporter’ representation on the board. Not ‘BST’ representation on the board.

My understanding is that any supporter position on the board (that meets with that aim) would be subject to democratic election by all fans.
 
Mr Tangerine Man said:
I'm not a member of any. To be honest I never thought any were any use, perhaps BST during the boycott but now that is sorted there doesn't seem to any use for any supporters group as the Sadler will do want he wants anyway.
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As I put in an early post...Sadler is a benign relationship. BST is important in case that either goes sour or the Club is sold.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Their aim is to have ‘supporter’ representation on the board. Not ‘BST’ representation on the board.

My understanding is that any supporter position on the board (that meets with that aim) would be subject to democratic election by all fans.
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That would be my expectation BFC however I can't see it happening anyway under SS's ownership
It's to be recalled these aims and objectives were fixed at a time when we were still under the O's stewardship and are perhaps therefore due for review
 
Sadly as fans we've had so many years of fighting the club and each other that a few can't shift that mentality . Unfortunately it's the Oyston legacy and will take a while before we all go off high alert and start trusting others again. I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of the situation just that I understand it.
 
RambleFan said:
Sadly as fans we've had so many years of fighting the club and each other that a few can't shift that mentality . Unfortunately it's the Oyston legacy and will take a while before we all go off high alert and start trusting others again. I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of the situation just that I understand it.
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Something in that mate 👍 Can't help noticing it is one group doing all the shouting and screaming tho.
 
RambleFan said:
Sadly as fans we've had so many years of fighting the club and each other that a few can't shift that mentality . Unfortunately it's the Oyston legacy and will take a while before we all go off high alert and start trusting others again. I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of the situation just that I understand it.
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That mirrors my thoughts. 👍
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
That would be my expectation BFC however I can't see it happening anyway under SS's ownership
It's to be recalled these aims and objectives were fixed at a time when we were still under the O's stewardship and are perhaps therefore due for review
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Yeah you probably need to review them now you are being questioned on them

Hurry
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Their aim is to have ‘supporter’ representation on the board. Not ‘BST’ representation on the board.

My understanding is that any supporter position on the board (that meets with that aim) would be subject to democratic election by all fans.
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So a member of the MSG could be elected to the board?

Or would it be one of BST’s top table members… I think we all know the answer to that one.
 
Wait, wait, wait, so the top table have met with Sadler at the long table at the top of the club, to try and buy a stake in the club with brass, but the top brass who aren’t at the long table at the top of the club, don’t want the top table to get a place at the long table at the top of the club?
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
So a member of the MSG could be elected to the board?

Or would it be one of BST’s top table members… I think we all know the answer to that one.
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As Tim said, we're probably talking about stuff that really dates back to the Oyston era, but of course someone from the MSG or anyone else could theoretically be elected as a fans representative.... It would be a completely democratic process, so it's about how many votes you can get, not which committee you sit on.

I think it might be best for people from these groups to just talk to each other in person, rather than over Social Media, because it's all getting a bit daft. It's not a competition and I'm pretty sure everyone wants the same thing, I think everyone just needs to chill out and try and stop thinking the worst of each other.

Why are you even arsed about any of this bollocks in any case?

As far as I'm concerned leave it to the anoraks...
 
Macseasider said:
I'm not sure two blokes with a Facebook and Twitter handle that people like posts on from the Armfield ever constituted a supporters group.
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Macseasider said:
Is that a non profit business for the members? Is the business ownership in the name of the Muckers then? Or is it something totally seperate?
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You wouldn't be allowed in so mind your own business.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
As Tim said, we're probably talking about stuff that really dates back to the Oyston era, but of course someone from the MSG or anyone else could theoretically be elected as a fans representative.... It would be a completely democratic process, so it's about how many votes you can get, not which committee you sit on.

I think it might be best for people from these groups to just talk to each other in person, rather than over Social Media, because it's all getting a bit daft. It's not a competition and I'm pretty sure everyone wants the same thing, I think everyone just needs to chill out and try and stop thinking the worst of each other.

Why are you even arsed about any of this bollocks in any case?

As far as I'm concerned leave it to the anoraks...
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So despite the constant meetings and liaising with the FSA, they’ve decided to keep their end goal the same despite Tim not feeling it’s achievable. Seems logical.

I’m not arsed really, I just like calling out those who think they’re better than others.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
So despite the constant meetings and liaising with the FSA, they’ve decided to keep their end goal the same despite Tim not feeling it’s achievable. Seems logical.

I’m not arsed really, I just like calling out those who think they’re better than others.
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I’m not sure, I don’t really pay that much attention really. I’m more interested in how the Team performs 👍

Though if I had to guess, I’d imagine that the aims and objectives have probably not been reviewed for ages, because nobody’s had much time to think about it.

Either way, it was never some big plan for BST world domination anyway. The Fan on the board would have to be voted for by all fans.

I’ve not met all of the BST committee, but the ones I have met seem to be sound, I wouldn’t say they think they’re better than others. I expect it’s more that they just have more spare time than others.

You know Higgy don’t you ?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Their aim is to have ‘supporter’ representation on the board. Not ‘BST’ representation on the board.

My understanding is that any supporter position on the board (that meets with that aim) would be subject to democratic election by all fans.
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Don't we have a supporter on the board already?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
He's been involved for absolutely ages...

From what I can see, BST sought feedback from their members a good while ago now and are simply responding to that feedback, by trying to establish better communication links with the Club. In any normal world, that would be considered to be a good thing.
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I know that BFC x 3

He is working really hard and done some excellent work since he “defected” to our side.

He’s a very clever bloke and on a personal basis I like him.

However, I also think he is a big enough bloke to understand that there are simply too many fans remember his days as an “Oyston Stalwart” to be comfortable with him representing the “broad church” of Blackpool Fans views on the BST top table.

He should be kept to administration & research something he undoubtedly excellent at and a massive asset to BST, i sincerely hope I don’t sound patronising because I’m not being!!!

Ashley.
 
Torycorner said:
I know that BFC x 3

He is working really hard and done some excellent work since he “defected” to our side.

He’s a very clever bloke and on a personal basis I like him.

However, I also think he is a big enough bloke to understand that there are simply too many fans remember his days as an “Oyston Stalwart” to be comfortable with him representing the “broad church” of Blackpool Fans views on the BST top table.

He should be kept to administration & research something he undoubtedly excellent at and a massive asset to BST, i sincerely hope I don’t sound patronising because I’m not being!!!

Ashley.
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He’s the secretary, which is an admin position as far as I know.

The idea of bullying anyone off the BST committee doesn’t really sit comfortable with me. I would imagine any right minded person would feel the same.
 
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