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250kandout

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Has Critch been spooked by the Seganti news? Or stories! Just a thought.

Critch will be out of a job before our club expires however.
 
I’m grateful for the time we had with Critch, it’s been good for us and him. He will have made the decision to go to Villa for his own reasons and that’s fine. They’re a decent club who may be knocking on the door of Europe in the not too distant. Good luck to him.
 
He’s left to get more money at a bigger club. No more no less.

The thing that sticks in my craw is he’s gone back to being a backseat man, after being the man at the helm of an entire club.
Ultimately tells me the man has no bollocks. And that tells me in the long run he was the wrong man to have in the hot seat.

If he only ever felt comfortable being a behind the scenes guy why the feck did he take our job in the first place. He’d have most likely progressed to the position he’s at now naturally in the same time span.

He has a heart the size of a pea.
 
The way we finished the season, with his bizarre selections and style of play, he was a sacking in waiting. He knew he wasn’t good enough as a leader and has gone back to what he knows.

Big lesson to fans, never use the ‘in …. we trust’ line again. Judge managers as they’ve always been judged, and never make them feel that the club needs them, more than they need the club.
 
Don't agree. Critchley was approached by Blackpool and he seemingly bought into the rebuilding of BFC by Sadler and the fans. I really believed he was with us and to take us forward so why bail out when we were a Championship club with such a positive future ahead after the awful Oyston years. I don't respect Critchley one jot. He's just another mercenary ready to move on to the temporary next best thing.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Agree.
Probably being paid 3 times his salary here and he won’t be being blamed for poor results.
No pressure at all I’d say.
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3x atleast, no relegation clause and will either be a shoe-in for the managers job at Villa if Gerrard gets sacked or he'll follow Gerrard to Liverpool eventually. Opportunities like that sort come round often for young British managers.
 
Thatseasider said:
He’s left to get more money at a bigger club. No more no less.

The thing that sticks in my craw is he’s gone back to being a backseat man, after being the man at the helm of an entire club.
Ultimately tells me the man has no bollocks. And that tells me in the long run he was the wrong man to have in the hot seat.

If he only ever felt comfortable being a behind the scenes guy why the feck did he take our job in the first place. He’d have most likely progressed to the position he’s at now naturally in the same time span.

He has a heart the size of a pea.
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There are times in life when you feel in your gut that you want to do/try something and then the reality is very different.

Critchley's reputation was as a coach who was excellent at developing youngsters. How much time do you think the manager at a club like ours (which still has poor facilities and a very small backroom staff) gets to spend on the training pitch with the lads?

One of the greatest assets any person can have is the ability to recognise their own limits. If that is what has happened here (and I suspect it is) then I understand his decision even if I'm not happy with it myself.
 
TarletonTangerine said:
3x atleast, no relegation clause and will either be a shoe-in for the managers job at Villa if Gerrard gets sacked or he'll follow Gerrard to Liverpool eventually. Opportunities like that sort come round often for young British managers.
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Can absolutely see Gerrard replacing Klopp eventually and taking Critchley as No 2 with him. Villa, of course, dumped by both. There's no loyalty in football is there 😂
 
GeminiPool said:
There are times in life when you feel in your gut that you want to do/try something and then the reality is very different.

Critchley's reputation was as a coach who was excellent at developing youngsters. How much time do you think the manager at a club like ours (which still has poor facilities and a very small backroom staff) gets to spend on the training pitch with the lads?

One of the greatest assets any person can have is the ability to recognise their own limits. If that is what has happened here (and I suspect it is) then I understand his decision even if I'm not happy with it myself.
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I see what your saying and if he came to the conclusion that he can’t carry on as a head coach I’ve two thoughts.

Firstly is he taking an easy way out and isn’t up for a fight to test himself to the maximum limits he could have taken his career, ultimately leaving with his reputation as a head coach on a high. If that is the case I’m not really sure I could get on with a fella that has that outlook on life, to enjoy not optimising your career and potential because you’re fearful is in my view, pathetic, especially as he had the chance to mould a club in his own imagine, what an opportunity he had.

Secondly, I’m not sure how he came to that conclusion. He took a League One squad to a comfortable mid table finish in the Championship. That takes some doing. Beating Fulham et al along the way. He did a fairly good job even if he was a bit off being the finished article.

The whole thing has baffled me, I’m not sure I buy the theory that the budget was being reduced next year to unworkable levels. There should be players on the verge of being sold that would generate revenue as well as incoming season ticket sales at a level to give the club an early shot in the arm money wise.

I’ve waffles on about this for the last 18 hours now so I’ll give it a rest. 😂
 
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He stepped up to managr and did his best. To me I just think he prefers a coaches role and this was too good an opertunityy to turnndown. Good luck to him in all he does
 
I had heard rumours that last season all was not well and there was a bit of a revolt against him by some players as not all (as you would expect) agreed with his tinkering.

I just took it as a rumour and that’s about it.

Now it makes me wonder. 🤔🤔

Make of it what you will.

Still gutted though, but as they say - ‘onwards and upwards’ 👍
 
Think people are reading far too much into this.
He’s gone to a big premier league club probably trebled his salary overnight yes he’s a No2 but no responsibilities no pressure.
S G obviously told him he would be returning with him to Anfield sometime soon.
It’s not rocket science really all these conspiracy theory's are way off the mark I think.
 
Boltonseasider said:
Can absolutely see Gerrard replacing Klopp eventually and taking Critchley as No 2 with him. Villa, of course, dumped by both. There's no loyalty in football is there 😂
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Liverpool have moved on during the klopp years . They’ve done sentiment with Kenny dalglish.

Gerrard is not an elite manager and no signs he will ever be .

Liverpool are top 5 in world

Stevie G nowhere near
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Think people are reading far too much into this.
He’s gone to a big premier league club probably trebled his salary overnight yes he’s a No2 but no responsibilities no pressure.
S G obviously told him he would be returning with him to Anfield sometime soon.
It’s not rocket science really all these conspiracy theory's are way off the mark I think.
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He has much more than tripled his salary. Basically he will now be financially secure for the rest of his life even if he never works again.
 
I think he might be viewing it as a way in to the Aston Villa manager's job next. Gerrard is more likely to stagnate with a club like Villa and be shown the door and that will be his opportunity.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Think people are reading far too much into this.
He’s gone to a big premier league club probably trebled his salary overnight yes he’s a No2 but no responsibilities no pressure.
S G obviously told him he would be returning with him to Anfield sometime soon.
It’s not rocket science really all these conspiracy theory's are way off the mark I think.
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Spot on.
 
seasideone said:
I had heard rumours that last season all was not well and there was a bit of a revolt against him by some players as not all (as you would expect) agreed with his tinkering.

I just took it as a rumour and that’s about it.

Now it makes me wonder. 🤔🤔

Make of it what you will.

Still gutted though, but as they say - ‘onwards and upwards’ 👍
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Would be surprised by this, as I’ve heard the opposite. The players loved playing for him whether they were in the team or not - he always made time to speak to them and discuss their progress.
 
Loving the conspiracy theories. Rather then being approached and taking up a great opportunity, this is what no doubt happened:

Stevie G "Hi boss, can you do me a favour? My mate Critch at Blackpool is getting very worried/frustrated at the lack of funds and ambition. I know we don't need a new coach, but can you offer him a job anyway? You will need to buy out a 4 year contact, but he is a mate."

🤦
 
AngelBFC said:
Liverpool have moved on during the klopp years . They’ve done sentiment with Kenny dalglish.

Gerrard is not an elite manager and no signs he will ever be .

Liverpool are top 5 in world

Stevie G nowhere near
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SG would go to Liverpool on merit not because of sentiment. I'm sure Liverpool don't need to be told that one. Not many managers win league titles but he has. He's still assembling a squad at Villa and, whilst he might not be elite yet, to write him off after one season is quite ridiculous.
 
Here's what really happened. Beale went to QPR, there was a spot spare on the Villa coaching staff. SG told his board that NC was his number one choice as a replacement. Villa approached Blackpool, NC indicated he would like to go. BFC and AV agreed a compo deal and NC is now at Villa.
Anything other than these known facts are whimsical made up stories. Kirk, Brannagan, no budget, Sadler's on his arse, is made up nonsense on a message board until we hear something different.
 
TarletonTangerine said:
SG would go to Liverpool on merit not because of sentiment. I'm sure Liverpool don't need to be told that one. Not many managers win league titles but he has. He's still assembling a squad at Villa and, whilst he might not be elite yet, to write him off after one season is quite ridiculous.
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Frank Lampard disproves that!
 
It’s all ifs, buts and maybes! We can assume all we want, he’s gone. Time to move onto the next chapter!
 
Boltonseasider said:
Can absolutely see Gerrard replacing Klopp eventually and taking Critchley as No 2 with him. Villa, of course, dumped by both. There's no loyalty in football is there 😂
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Football is not as predictable as that. What if Gerrard (and presumably Critch with him) were sacked by the end of the year following a bad start to the season for Villa?
 
Thatseasider said:
I see what your saying and if he came to the conclusion that he can’t carry on as a head coach I’ve two thoughts.

Firstly is he taking an easy way out and isn’t up for a fight to test himself to the maximum limits he could have taken his career, ultimately leaving with his reputation as a head coach on a high. If that is the case I’m not really sure I could get on with a fella that has that outlook on life, to enjoy not optimising your career and potential because you’re fearful is in my view, pathetic, especially as he had the chance to mould a club in his own imagine, what an opportunity he had.

Secondly, I’m not sure how he came to that conclusion. He took a League One squad to a comfortable mid table finish in the Championship. That takes some doing. Beating Fulham et al along the way. He did a fairly good job even if he was a bit off being the finished article.

The whole thing has baffled me, I’m not sure I buy the theory that the budget was being reduced next year to unworkable levels. There should be players on the verge of being sold that would generate revenue as well as incoming season ticket sales at a level to give the club an early shot in the arm money wise.

I’ve waffles on about this for the last 18 hours now so I’ll give it a rest. 😂
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There is a lot of truth in the old adage "everyone gets promoted to their level of incompetence". I've worked with so many ship's captains who were fantastic Chief Officers, but terrible captains, and lots of chief officers who were fantastic 2nd officers but poor chiefs.

People who are brilliant teachers don't necessarily make great headteachers.

Recognising that isn't necessarily a lack of bottle, or ambition. Surely it is better to self actualize in a less prestigious role than to suffer in a more prestigious one?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Think people are reading far too much into this.
He’s gone to a big premier league club probably trebled his salary overnight yes he’s a No2 but no responsibilities no pressure.
S G obviously told him he would be returning with him to Anfield sometime soon.
It’s not rocket science really all these conspiracy theory's are way off the mark I think.
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I don’t get this trebled his salary or more. The coach he is replacing was, allegedly, on £750,000 per year, Critchley was on again allegedly £500,000. I can’t see Villa doubling the previous salary just because Gerrard wants him.
 
GeminiPool said:
There is a lot of truth in the old adage "everyone gets promoted to their level of incompetence". I've worked with so many ship's captains who were fantastic Chief Officers, but terrible captains, and lots of chief officers who were fantastic 2nd officers but poor chiefs.

People who are brilliant teachers don't necessarily make great headteachers.

Recognising that isn't necessarily a lack of bottle, or ambition. Surely it is better to self actualize in a less prestigious role than to suffer in a more prestigious one?
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And we’ll likely never know how Quitchley felt about his job.

But what I do now was that he was largely doing a very competent job despite his shortcomings. I just didn’t see the disaster or incompetence from him moving to the number one slot. Seemed like he was making steady progress to me in transitioning to that role. 🤷‍♂️

Ultimately we’ll never know and he simply felt he was way out of his depth. I just don’t get why he didn’t have the will to push through and try to better himself as the main man.
 
Goforgoal said:
I don’t get this trebled his salary or more. The coach he is replacing was, allegedly, on £750,000 per year, Critchley was on again allegedly £500,000. I can’t see Villa doubling the previous salary just because Gerrard wants him.
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A lot of allegedly replies in that.
 
I'm not usually one to spill the ITK beans, but I feel this needs to be in the public domain, I received this transcript last night from my informer (ya' no say daddy me Snow me I go blame a licky boom boom down).

*ring ring*

Hello?

Oh high Manners, this is Neil, Critch, Critchers, the ex manager la..

Good to hear from you Critchmeister, are you having a good bank ho...wait..what? I thought you said 'ex' then, it must be the line, anyway why are you not here at the BFC Lads On Tour Barbeque at Simon's house? The boys were just saying how we can't wait to get you installed in the new training ground so you can really weave your mag..

Umm, the thing is as ex-manager of the club la, I didn't think it was appropriate to..

Sorry Critters, you seemed to break up then, went all high pitched and Scouse, I thought I heard 'ex' again, I'll just move from Simon's East Wing Study as the reception is a bit cra...

No Benners, I'm afraid you didn't mishear me, I'm handing in my resignation as of today to take up an assistant's job at a bottom half PL team la. I've really enjoyed faking my love for your club 'muffled sound of chest punching' but I've missed nodding in agreement at someone else's ideas la.

Ha! Nice one Neilmeister, you almost had me, no one would take a step down like that obviously, they'd have to be a proper bottle monkey, especially when we've just announced a state of the art facility for them to have full control of...

I'm afraid it's not a wind up Manners, the thing is HE has arrived la!

I don't follow you, and it's Mr Mansford to you from now on, and stop it with the 'la', you're from Crewe.

THE CHOSEN ONE HAS ARRIVED AT OUR DOOR!

Fuck you on about you plastic Scouse **?

Stevie of the G is IN MY LIVING ROOM! He's offered me the role of collecting bibs and organising cones at Aston Villa, after their meteoric rise from 16th to 14th under him they've given him permission for a new head assistant to the manager's assistant!

Jesus of ** Nazareth, you're leaving to be an assistant manager at a less than average PL club, you stupid twa..

Well it's not exactly 'Assistant Manager' but I do answer to Mr McAllister!

Oi Simon, SIMON! You'll never believe what this traitorous little bellend has do...'

Sorry Benjers la, I'm going to have to go, Stevie's tea is nearly cold and I promised him some bourbons, if I play my cards right and he gets offered the Liverpool job he's said I can drive him up there in the official Villa Mondeo.... Sorry Stevie, I mean Mr Gerrard, yes we do have party rings as well, I'll just go and get them for yo.....CLICK...
 
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