Yates

Any striker needs the ball passed to him first in order to score.

Even Zobo should know that football basic.

There was no chance of that today with 7 subs from Critchley. The players don’t “know” each other and were easily outplayed from the first few minutes by the relegated team.
 
Not sure how you can say Beesley is not ghe answer ,how many times we seen him and on those meagre pickings the lad has done well
As for Yates he's still a good player but has struggled in this league
 
The performance today was similar (but worse) that when we watched the Liverpool U23s give us a footballing lesson.
We had several 1st team players playing in that game, but we looked like we'd never played together and were clueless.
The changes Critch made today (for whatever reason) and his tactics, were the main reason Posh embarrassed us. That and the fact the players didn't want to win, didn't want to apply themselves - unlike relegated Posh.
It wasn't much better, in our final embarrassing home game last week.
 
As_Cold_As_The_Rockies said:
The front men whether Yates or Lavery need service, they haven’t been getting any for the majority of the season. Critch needs to sort it out for next season. I don’t think Beasley is the answer either.
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In fairness Beasley had no service today (same for the forwards most of the season). He needs a run of games and we need creative midfielders, then hopefully he'll score goals next season.
 
Sometimes strikers need to make it happen for themselves, they cannot always have it laid on a plate for them. We have not scored enough goals this season and don’t think the service has been that bad, Bowler, Keshi, even CJ and Carey at times along with the full backs have created space and chances but still not enough goals. Someone has to move on to create a space in the squad for a potential 20 goal a season striker and sadly feel is going to be Jerry.
 
I forecast last September that Yates was not good enough to succeed in the championship and that he would not get even half the number of goals (18) that he scored in league one last season much to the astonishment of quite a few on here. I was told I was talking rubbish by quite a few .I continued to express that opinion despite receiving much flak by Jerry`s fan club on here who thought I was mad to think he would score less than half his tally last season.

He has ended up with just 8 goals!!! Yes just 8 and that helped by three penalties and don`t give me the sob story about a lack of playing time .He had many opportunities over the season and Critchley rightly concluded like me that as a striker he just wasn`t delivering and so did not deserve to be picked unlike the many myopic football fans on here..

In fact one poster said last September or early October that he would bookmark my forecast and come back to it at the end of the season.

WELL I`M WAITING.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
I forecast last September that Yates was not good enough to succeed in the championship and that he would not get even half the number of goals (18) that he scored in league one last season much to the astonishment of quite a few on here. I was told I was talking rubbish by quite a few .I continued to express that opinion despite receiving much flak by Jerry`s fan club on here who thought I was mad to think he would score less than half his tally last season.

He has ended up with just 8 goals!!! Yes just 8 and that helped by three penalties and don`t give me the sob story about a lack of playing time .He had many opportunities over the season and Critchley rightly concluded like me that as a striker he just wasn`t delivering and so did not deserve to be picked unlike the many myopic football fans on here..

In fact one poster said last September or early October that he would bookmark my forecast and come back to it at the end of the season.

WELL I`M WAITING.
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Whose a clever boy then?
 
He was I think released by Rotherham when they were in the Championship having been on the fringes and then had that good season for Swindon in League 2.

They would seem to have reached the same conclusion as we have.
 
Yep unlike so many who thought they knew better but didn`t.

I`m sorry Yates hasn`t succeeded this season but to a few of us it was entirely predictable and when you get abused for expressing an opinion that turns out to be spot on I think you are entitled to mention it ,Why not? It`s particularly justified when you get roundly criticised but turn out to be dead right.

Incidentally Briggsysgonagetya bookmarked it to refer to it at the end of the season and GJJW was desperate to bet me I was wrong and told me I was sure to lose my bet but I bet on horses with the bookies not on personal opinions luckily for GJJW.

They`ve all gone quiet over there.
 
If you look at the below there is not much between our front three, so why single out Jerry. If Jerry is not a Championship player then Lavery and Madine are ? sorry to piss on your bonfire.

RankNameGoalsGLAssistsAPlayedPGoals per 90Mins per GoalMPG
1Shayne LaveryLavery101400.43208
2Gary MadineMadine90350.32283
3Jerry YatesYates83410.36251
 
I honestly don't think it is to do with lack of ability where Yates is concerned. It's all conjecture but there seems to have been a breakdown in the relationship with NC and if that is the case it is difficult to see any future at the club for him. After today's performance there may be 1 or 2 others looking at the exit door.
 
See below/You are not pissing on any bonfire.I simply forecast way back then that Yates would not score even half the the number of goals in the Championship that he scored in league one at that time no-one believed me. He didn`t did he despite getting 3 penalties. QED.

Nothing to do with Lavery (who is far less experienced and may improve but even this season had a much better rate of goals per minutes on the pitch) or Madine who even before he joined us had shown that he was never going to be a prolific goal scorer for us. His main contribution is as a target man.
 
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As_Cold_As_The_Rockies said:
If you look at the below there is not much between our front three, so why single out Jerry. If Jerry is not a Championship player then Lavery and Madine are ? sorry to piss on your bonfire.

RankNameGoalsGLAssistsAPlayedPGoals per 90Mins per GoalMPG
1Shayne LaveryLavery101400.43208
2Gary MadineMadine90350.32283
3Jerry YatesYates83410.36251
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1950`spoolfan said:
I forecast last September that Yates was not good enough to succeed in the championship and that he would not get even half the number of goals (18) that he scored in league one last season much to the astonishment of quite a few on here. I was told I was talking rubbish by quite a few .I continued to express that opinion despite receiving much flak by Jerry`s fan club on here who thought I was mad to think he would score less than half his tally last season.
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1950`spoolfan said:
See below/You are not pissing on any bonfire.I simply forecast way back then that Yates would not score even half the the number of goals in the Championship that he scored in league one
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All hail the oracle!
 
As_Cold_As_The_Rockies said:
If you look at the below there is not much between our front three, so why single out Jerry. If Jerry is not a Championship player then Lavery and Madine are ? sorry to piss on your bonfire.

RankNameGoalsGLAssistsAPlayedPGoals per 90Mins per GoalMPG
1Shayne LaveryLavery101400.43208
2Gary MadineMadine90350.32283
3Jerry YatesYates83410.36251
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After scoring 20 goals Jerry should have been first on the team sheet.

It’s Critchley’s constant changing the line up every game that has been the problem.

The combination of Yates/Lavery score 20 goals between them but could have been twice that with a more settled team every week.

Oh and the creative midfielder that Critchley didn’t buy in Jan.

Otherwise we did well on the season as a whole but …….. 👀
 
1950`spoolfan said:
I forecast last September that Yates was not good enough to succeed in the championship and that he would not get even half the number of goals (18) that he scored in league one last season much to the astonishment of quite a few on here. I was told I was talking rubbish by quite a few .I continued to express that opinion despite receiving much flak by Jerry`s fan club on here who thought I was mad to think he would score less than half his tally last season.

He has ended up with just 8 goals!!! Yes just 8 and that helped by three penalties and don`t give me the sob story about a lack of playing time .He had many opportunities over the season and Critchley rightly concluded like me that as a striker he just wasn`t delivering and so did not deserve to be picked unlike the many myopic football fans on here..

In fact one poster said last September or early October that he would bookmark my forecast and come back to it at the end of the season.

WELL I`M WAITING.
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I bet you're really pleased with yourself. Well done 👍🏻
 
1950`spoolfan said:
I forecast last September that Yates was not good enough to succeed in the championship and that he would not get even half the number of goals (18) that he scored in league one last season much to the astonishment of quite a few on here. I was told I was talking rubbish by quite a few .I continued to express that opinion despite receiving much flak by Jerry`s fan club on here who thought I was mad to think he would score less than half his tally last season.

He has ended up with just 8 goals!!! Yes just 8 and that helped by three penalties and don`t give me the sob story about a lack of playing time .He had many opportunities over the season and Critchley rightly concluded like me that as a striker he just wasn`t delivering and so did not deserve to be picked unlike the many myopic football fans on here..

In fact one poster said last September or early October that he would bookmark my forecast and come back to it at the end of the season.

WELL I`M WAITING.
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Calm down Ian Chisnall.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Calm down Ian Chisnall.
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Jerry has suffered for the lack of regular games. You could tell yesterday that he simply doesn't have the match sharpness that a run of games gives you. He more than others needs that.

If he doesn't then he ends up with poor touches. You can see the intent but that sharpness gained through regular starts simply isn't there.
 
Wizaard said:
Jerry has suffered for the lack of regular games. You could tell yesterday that he simply doesn't have the match sharpness that a run of games gives you. He more than others needs that.

If he doesn't then he ends up with poor touches. You can see the intent but that sharpness gained through regular starts simply isn't there.
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Agree. Don’t think the rotation helps Lavery or Yates & must be frustrating that when they are scoring they then find themselves on the bench.

The main thing with our strikers is, we don’t actually create many chances for them.
 
I just think it's wrong to single out individuals. There's a collective problem that affects all our players in the attacking third. You could argue that nobody has done particularly well in that area of the pitch this season. Strikers and wingers. Bowler had a bit of a spell. Anderson had a spell. Gaz did too. And Lavery started the season well. But nobody sustained it for any length of time. Our strength has been our organisation in stopping opponents from playing. I don't think Yates has been worse than the other strikers particularly. We just haven't been good in that area of the team. He may do better if we set up differently. He's looked very downbeat though, very low in confidence. These things can snowball. We need wide players and midfielders who support the strikers more effectively, but it's not easy to find these people for 500k or less, who can go out and perform consistently against more expensive players. Let's see what summer brings.
 
I don't care what you say, strikers thrive on service and this season the balls delivered into the box have been appalling. Over hit or under hit crosses. This is something that can be worked on on the training pitch for some reason has been neglected.
 
The service was exceptional in November and December - and we couldn't score for toffee. An abundance of chances created. It was 'If we carry on playing like that, we'll win the next one' - so it's a bit too simplistic just blaming the midfield imo
 
We all love Jerry, due to his likeable personality, heroics last year, and the fact that he always gives 100%, but he has struggled this year. There could be several different reasons for this:-

- Last season's heroics were a fluke, a one off where the stars aligned and when he was on one of those runs where everything just goes in. Think Scott Taylor in 03/04. I find this to be the least likely scenario.
- He's one of those players who falls in the gap between being too good for league one, but not quite good enough for the championship. Think Andy Morrell - great for us in league one, but struggled in the champ with both us and Coventry. Potentially this could be the case for Jerry, but let's not forget that Morrell was in his 30s, and Jerry is still only mid-twenties.
- He's one of those players who, for reasons unknown, will take more time to develop to the faster pace and much less space you get in the Championship. It's worth noting that when Jamie Vardy first signed for then-Championship Leicester he was hardly in the team for the first season and a half, seemingly struggling to adapt to the much higher skill levels of that level of football.

For me, that last point is my biggest hope for Jerry - he just needs more time to develop and adjust to the higher level of football. I don't want to see him leave, and I wonder if the best thing for him might be a loan to a league one club at the beginning of next season: let him scores some goals and get some of that confidence back, then he can come home in the new year ready to lead our late season charge to the play offs. I realise that contradicts my last sentence a bit, but I just think that scoring a few more goals might give him a bit more confidence to push on at this level.
 
Agree that it's about the service our strikers get. We are so lacking in centre midfield quality and most goals have been smash and grab affairs because of this. Hoof from the keeper, scabby flick on and we're in. Always playing two wingers leaves us short in the middle too - it's why most opponents 'boss' the midfield. Hope Jerry stays and gets a chance next year. Most of us agree that 5 or 6 need to be replaced.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
I forecast last September that Yates was not good enough to succeed in the championship and that he would not get even half the number of goals (18) that he scored in league one last season much to the astonishment of quite a few on here. I was told I was talking rubbish by quite a few .I continued to express that opinion despite receiving much flak by Jerry`s fan club on here who thought I was mad to think he would score less than half his tally last season.

He has ended up with just 8 goals!!! Yes just 8 and that helped by three penalties and don`t give me the sob story about a lack of playing time .He had many opportunities over the season and Critchley rightly concluded like me that as a striker he just wasn`t delivering and so did not deserve to be picked unlike the many myopic football fans on here..

In fact one poster said last September or early October that he would bookmark my forecast and come back to it at the end of the season.

WELL I`M WAITING.
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Goal and assist stats for minutes on the pitch will be just as bad or worse for Madine and Lavery, I wouldn't single Yates out as not good enough, are any of them?
 
Victorsponge said:
I don't care what you say, strikers thrive on service and this season the balls delivered into the box have been appalling. Over hit or under hit crosses. This is something that can be worked on on the training pitch for some reason has been neglected.
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And the defending is several notches higher.
 
I think all of them are probably good enough to be our 2nd or support striker and would chip in with a few but none of them are good enough to be our main striker.
Take home from that - we need a proven goalscorer and to get one I'd cash in the two most valuable of the 4 if we can and keep the other two whoever that may be as there really isn't much difference in them
 
Bisphamtang said:
Not sure how you can say Beesley is not ghe answer ,how many times we seen him and on those meagre pickings the lad has done well
As for Yates he's still a good player but has struggled in this league
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Beesley had a poor game yesterday. Lost virtually every battle; never held the ball up; and, is off the ball movement was either very poor or Misjudged. Still a lot of work to do on him.
 
Larryknows said:
I think all of them are probably good enough to be our 2nd or support striker and would chip in with a few but none of them are good enough to be our main striker.
Take home from that - we need a proven goalscorer and to get one I'd cash in the two most valuable of the 4 if we can and keep the other two whoever that may be as there really isn't much difference in them
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Of course a proven goalscorer (20 a season) is always great to have, but that needs to be considered against how much they usually cost and the budget we have to work within. The biggest issue that has held back both Yates and Lavery this season is the need to play Gaz Mads consistently because we’re soft in the air if we don’t.

I just hope there’s a clear plan that all parties are fully buying into because my fear is we losing value on a player that was worth 7 figures at the start of the season.
 
For me the constant changing of top two hasn't helped and 4 or so games ago I have been saying give beesley and Yates ago.. leaving it till last game with so many changes doesn't help... nor give us any answers.

Critch needs to decide his best two and play them most games, not tinker depending on opposition. But roll on next season... could be worse could be a Northampton fan
 
Yates is a very good player who hasnt had the best of seasons i also dont think its been that bad in that he has only played the equivalent of (less than 23) games this year, 8 goals and three assists from 23 isnt that bad, same with Lavery. Generally this season we have been goal shy. Fulhams top scorer had more shots on goal than the whole of the pool squad during the season and jerry's conversion rate is significantly higher than Mitrovic's. hes dedinatley still got some improving to do. But Critch has yet to find a combination that properly works attacking wise.

i really hope he stays, but next year might be his make or break season where he really pushes on or . . . . . .
 
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