I will say 2 years 6 months and Proceeds of crime to followI’ll start with a prediction of 8 years.
Followed by 2 years of legal wrangling over Proceeds of Crime.
These days you only get around 8 years for manslaughterI’ll start with a prediction of 8 years.
Followed by 2 years of legal wrangling over Proceeds of Crime.
But what is your prediction?These days you only get around 8 years for manslaughter
I think the maximum is 10 years but there’s multiple counts of fraud and I imagine he’ll be top ranking on culpability and harm.I’ll start with a prediction of 8 years.
Followed by 2 years of legal wrangling over Proceeds of Crime.
So is that 6 or 7 MexI think the maximum is 10 years but there’s multiple counts of fraud and I imagine he’ll be top ranking on culpability and harm.
But 8 does seem quite high. So hedging my bets I’d say somewhere between 5 and 7.
Six!
Edit to add: No! Seven!!
7 years and 4 months.Found guily of ;-
1) two counts of running a business with the intention of defrauding creditors - maximum sentence of 10 years per count.
2) 1 count of fault representations - maximum sentence of 10 years.
3) 1 count of being concerned with the retention of criminal property - not sure what maximum sentence is but appears for a prison sentence is mandatory for offences concerning over £10k. Basically this is a money laundering offence.
Based on this being a complex prosecution (8 months trial) you could expect a pretty lengthy sentence and fine. There will also most likely be a proceeds of crime order.
Possibly because of the money laundering conviction which means a mandatory prison sentence and maybe risk of flight. Not sure if the others were convicted of that.What do you predict for the others found guilty of some offences ? Prison sentences, fines or suspended?
Will any of these others involved have benefited by all the fraud etc ?
They was all bailed until Tuesday
Also why was Pilley remanded into custody when he also could have been bailed until Tuesday. I bet he didn’t expect being remanded for a minute
The case has been adjourned to next Tuesday to fix a date for sentencing.When is this likely to happen?
Yep - their criminal business practices have resulted in many small businesses going under.6 years and he deserves every minute of it.
This is all on him and his cronies that people have lost money and others will lose jobs. BES will close down.
I agree with Newbury2yrs and be out in less than 12 months.
No chance2yrs and be out in less than 12 months.
Could be in deep though....The Sentencing Council has guidelines on sentencing for fraud.
Without knowing the details, it's impossible to say with any confidence, but as a wild guess, I'd say cat 1 lower end culpability B so possibly 3 - 4 years, but really could be anywhere.
The starting points are based on 1 milThe Sentencing Council has guidelines on sentencing for fraud.
Without knowing the details, it's impossible to say with any confidence, but as a wild guess, I'd say cat 1 lower end culpability B so possibly 3 - 4 years, but really could be anywhere.
But then the flip side is who the harm was caused to, what impact it had on them, and how culpable he was for the harm.The starting points are based on 1 mil
If it’s tens of mils will be adjusted upwards accordingly
2 years but suspended.
180 hours of community service is all he will serve and then main punishment will be losing his Ill gotten gains
Cat A implies an organized and deliberate fraud, it's not clear to me that this is the case here, it looks to me more like a disorganized and badly run business that has drifted from legitimate business to fraudulent activity without any intent to do so.If it's a category A offence and by the sounds of it it is so 7 years as a starting point sadly. Anything on top of that will depend on how well he cooperated with the authorities. And I'll just add my usual two points in the probably in vain hope it sinks in with the right wingers on here.
1. Average Sentences have almost doubled in the past decade.
2. All sentences are served in full nobody gets early release. If you think probation is a walk in the park think again. You are liable to recall at any time and recalls are up.
This activity has been going on a long time and the Trading Standards investigation was launched in 2016 I think. Proving the link between the 'independent' brokers and Pilley's businesses was always the difficult thing to prove but obviously they had enough evidence to prove this (recordings/whistleblowers/etc).Cat A implies an organized and deliberate fraud, it's not clear to me that this is the case here, it looks to me more like a disorganized and badly run business that has drifted from legitimate business to fraudulent activity without any intent to do so.
But without the details, everything is guesswork.
Everyone is guessing because we don't know which category it will come under but judges these days err on the high side and leave it to be appealed. Tough on crime innit.Cat A implies an organized and deliberate fraud, it's not clear to me that this is the case here, it looks to me more like a disorganized and badly run business that has drifted from legitimate business to fraudulent activity without any intent to do so.
But without the details, everything is guesswork.
Serves half bill remainder on licenceIf it's a category A offence and by the sounds of it it is so 7 years as a starting point sadly. Anything on top of that will depend on how well he cooperated with the authorities. And I'll just add my usual two points in the probably in vain hope it sinks in with the right wingers on here.
1. Average Sentences have almost doubled in the past decade.
2. All sentences are served in full nobody gets early release. If you think probation is a walk in the park think again. You are liable to recall at any time and recalls are up.
Remoner alertA supporter of Brexit who begged the people of Fleetwood to vote for Bozo and then defrauded honest folk of their hard earned cash in a cost of living crisis.
A full life sentence should just about cover it .
Remoner alertA supporter of Brexit who begged the people of Fleetwood to vote for Bozo and then defrauded honest folk of their hard earned cash in a cost of living crisis.
A full life sentence should just about cover it .