Pilley Sentencing Sweepstake

Anyone know the reputation of the judge - is he a hangem high type or tickle the rest with a don’t do it again?
 
tigger said:
I’ll start with a prediction of 8 years.

Followed by 2 years of legal wrangling over Proceeds of Crime.
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I will say 2 years 6 months and Proceeds of crime to follow
Does anybody know how much fraud has been committed is it thousands or millions ?
 
tigger said:
I’ll start with a prediction of 8 years.

Followed by 2 years of legal wrangling over Proceeds of Crime.
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I think the maximum is 10 years but there’s multiple counts of fraud and I imagine he’ll be top ranking on culpability and harm.

But 8 does seem quite high. So hedging my bets I’d say somewhere between 5 and 7.

Six!

Edit to add: No! Seven!!
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I think the maximum is 10 years but there’s multiple counts of fraud and I imagine he’ll be top ranking on culpability and harm.

But 8 does seem quite high. So hedging my bets I’d say somewhere between 5 and 7.

Six!

Edit to add: No! Seven!!
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So is that 6 or 7 Mex
 
As the sentencing is very lenient these days 2 years and 6 months
Would he be able to appeal the sentence that’s passed after an 8 month lengthy trial
 
Found guily of ;-
1) two counts of running a business with the intention of defrauding creditors - maximum sentence of 10 years per count.
2) 1 count of fault representations - maximum sentence of 10 years.
3) 1 count of being concerned with the retention of criminal property - not sure what maximum sentence is but appears for a prison sentence is mandatory for offences concerning over £10k. Basically this is a money laundering offence.

Based on this being a complex prosecution (8 months trial) you could expect a pretty lengthy sentence and fine. There will also most likely be a proceeds of crime order.
 
What do you predict for the others found guilty of some offences ? Prison sentences, fines or suspended?
Will any of these others involved have benefited by all the fraud etc ?
They was all bailed until Tuesday
Also why was Pilley remanded into custody when he also could have been bailed until Tuesday. I bet he didn’t expect being remanded for a minute
 
He will get 4/5 years with a minimum serve time of 24 months. Proceeds of crime will follow but they will work out a figure based on average per customer they think have been scammed and the first thing they will take is his money from bes gas then personal accounts and personal items if there is not enough they will then take from other businesses. It will leave a right stinging mess for the cods
 
Hard to say given how modest the reporting of the case but lack of guilty plea/remorse and past record tend to be considered aggravating factors

From a FTFC point of view, it’s probably not the sentencing that is key
 
bollieboy said:
Found guily of ;-
1) two counts of running a business with the intention of defrauding creditors - maximum sentence of 10 years per count.
2) 1 count of fault representations - maximum sentence of 10 years.
3) 1 count of being concerned with the retention of criminal property - not sure what maximum sentence is but appears for a prison sentence is mandatory for offences concerning over £10k. Basically this is a money laundering offence.

Based on this being a complex prosecution (8 months trial) you could expect a pretty lengthy sentence and fine. There will also most likely be a proceeds of crime order.
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7 years and 4 months.
 
Love BFC🍊 said:
What do you predict for the others found guilty of some offences ? Prison sentences, fines or suspended?
Will any of these others involved have benefited by all the fraud etc ?
They was all bailed until Tuesday
Also why was Pilley remanded into custody when he also could have been bailed until Tuesday. I bet he didn’t expect being remanded for a minute
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Possibly because of the money laundering conviction which means a mandatory prison sentence and maybe risk of flight. Not sure if the others were convicted of that.
 
Whatever he gets he will only serve half anyway so what is the point of always handing out a higher sentence when it won’t happen ?
He will certainly lose a lot of his assets and quite rightly so.
 
As others have suggested we don’t know the facts

On the basis that’s it’s a fraud involving tens of millions has to be 9-10 after trial I would have thought plus in due course there will be a sentence set in default for non payment of poca

A lot depends on the judges assessment of A Pilleys role and his level of knowledge .

Unless you’ve been sat in the trial accurate assessments are impossible .

If he genuinely thinks a loss making outfit like Fleetwood’s Towns future is secure with him out of the picture I would suggest he’s doing a Comical Ali

This is not an “everything’s fine” scenario.
 
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I reckon 3 years of this.

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The Sentencing Council has guidelines on sentencing for fraud.

Without knowing the details, it's impossible to say with any confidence, but as a wild guess, I'd say cat 1 lower end culpability B so possibly 3 - 4 years, but really could be anywhere.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The Sentencing Council has guidelines on sentencing for fraud.

Without knowing the details, it's impossible to say with any confidence, but as a wild guess, I'd say cat 1 lower end culpability B so possibly 3 - 4 years, but really could be anywhere.
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The starting points are based on 1 mil

If it’s tens of mils will be adjusted upwards accordingly
 
2 years but suspended.

180 hours of community service is all he will serve and then main punishment will be losing his Ill gotten gains
 
If it's a category A offence and by the sounds of it it is so 7 years as a starting point sadly. Anything on top of that will depend on how well he cooperated with the authorities. And I'll just add my usual two points in the probably in vain hope it sinks in with the right wingers on here.

1. Average Sentences have almost doubled in the past decade.
2. All sentences are served in full nobody gets early release. If you think probation is a walk in the park think again. You are liable to recall at any time and recalls are up.
 
bill40 said:
If it's a category A offence and by the sounds of it it is so 7 years as a starting point sadly. Anything on top of that will depend on how well he cooperated with the authorities. And I'll just add my usual two points in the probably in vain hope it sinks in with the right wingers on here.

1. Average Sentences have almost doubled in the past decade.
2. All sentences are served in full nobody gets early release. If you think probation is a walk in the park think again. You are liable to recall at any time and recalls are up.
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Cat A implies an organized and deliberate fraud, it's not clear to me that this is the case here, it looks to me more like a disorganized and badly run business that has drifted from legitimate business to fraudulent activity without any intent to do so.

But without the details, everything is guesswork.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Cat A implies an organized and deliberate fraud, it's not clear to me that this is the case here, it looks to me more like a disorganized and badly run business that has drifted from legitimate business to fraudulent activity without any intent to do so.

But without the details, everything is guesswork.
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This activity has been going on a long time and the Trading Standards investigation was launched in 2016 I think. Proving the link between the 'independent' brokers and Pilley's businesses was always the difficult thing to prove but obviously they had enough evidence to prove this (recordings/whistleblowers/etc).

This wasn't poor business practices but a fundamental part of Pilley building his business.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Cat A implies an organized and deliberate fraud, it's not clear to me that this is the case here, it looks to me more like a disorganized and badly run business that has drifted from legitimate business to fraudulent activity without any intent to do so.

But without the details, everything is guesswork.
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Everyone is guessing because we don't know which category it will come under but judges these days err on the high side and leave it to be appealed. Tough on crime innit.
 
bill40 said:
If it's a category A offence and by the sounds of it it is so 7 years as a starting point sadly. Anything on top of that will depend on how well he cooperated with the authorities. And I'll just add my usual two points in the probably in vain hope it sinks in with the right wingers on here.

1. Average Sentences have almost doubled in the past decade.
2. All sentences are served in full nobody gets early release. If you think probation is a walk in the park think again. You are liable to recall at any time and recalls are up.
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Serves half bill remainder on licence
 
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