The sneering BBC

Since the pandemic began there must of been hundreds of home interviews covering many important events, BLM, Trump, LBGT etc etc. Early on I noticed carefully placed background objects, books etc showing the interviewees support for certain causes....government ministers have been slow to catch on( no surprise there) before all displaying the Union Flag. Would be interesting to know if Charlie and Naga have a history of such sneering...?
 
Newholland said:
Since the pandemic began there must of been hundreds of home interviews covering many important events, BLM, Trump, LBGT etc etc. Early on I noticed carefully placed background objects, books etc showing the interviewees support for certain causes....government ministers have been slow to catch on( no surprise there) before all displaying the Union Flag. Would be interesting to know if Charlie and Naga have a history of such sneering...?
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The best one was the interview with John Barnes where the shelves behind him were full of porn DVDs.
 
Scaramanga said:
I’m not offended in the slightest, Just pointing out a fact that the BBC seem to be constantly sneering. It’s time they were binned off and left for the Liberal elites to fawn over each other.
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Luckily you'll be able to get your fill of Piers Morgan wrapped in a Union Jack with Andrew Neil any day now.

Did anyone actually see the interview or have they just leapt on the twitter bandwagon, or should that be panzer?

Anyway, it's good to know that you consider the liberal side of politics to be elite. That's something. Know your place.
 
It's all part of the culture war also dubbed the 'war on woke' that the government seems determined to wage. Whilst these rather futile gestures will please some (for instance on this thread), they will also alienate many others. As stated above, our national characteristics are tolerance and understatement, we have never been a nation of flag wavers and as a nation usually instinctively dislike overt nationalism. The government should exercise caution when trying to appeal this version of patriotism - it can get nasty very quickly. Causing unnecessary division and conflict is not what good government is about IMO, government should be trying to unify our country.
 
Matt Hancock had the picture of his mates pub on display behind him in early interviews - the same mate who benefitted from a £30 million PPE contract. This picture has since been removed from Matt's background for some reason.
 
Wizaard said:
Luckily you'll be able to get your fill of Piers Morgan wrapped in a Union Jack with Andrew Neil any day now.

Did anyone actually see the interview or have they just leapt on the twitter bandwagon, or should that be panzer?

Anyway, it's good to know that you consider the liberal side of politics to be elite. That's something. Know your place.
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Perhaps it better wrapping yourself in the Union flag than the Isis one which recidivist posted eh? Perhaps that was clearly acceptable to some on here.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
It's all part of the culture war also dubbed the 'war on woke' that the government seems determined to wage. Whilst these rather futile gestures will please some (for instance on this thread), they will also alienate many others. As stated above, our national characteristics are tolerance and understatement, we have never been a nation of flag wavers and as a nation usually instinctively dislike overt nationalism. The government should exercise caution when trying to appeal this version of patriotism - it can get nasty very quickly. Causing unnecessary division and conflict is not what good government is about IMO, government should be trying to unify our country.
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Utter tosh. We've always been a nation of flag wavers when the occasion arises. Once again another woke takes any opportunity to knock down our flag and our country.
 
20togo said:
Utter tosh. We've always been a nation of flag wavers when the occasion arises. Once again another woke takes any opportunity to knock down our flag and our country.
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Please can you point out to me where I have knocked our country (or flag)?
And also can you point out why I am 'another woke' whatever that means?
I can hold an opinion that is different to yours and still be proud of my country.
The thing is, I wouldn't question your patriotism because I am tolerant which is another of our great values.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Please can you point out to me where I have knocked our country (or flag)?
And also can you point out why I am 'another woke' whatever that means?
I can hold an opinion that is different to yours and still be proud of my country.
The thing is, I wouldn't question your patriotism because I am tolerant which is another of our great values.
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There are none so blind..... etc.

I am enjoying the irony of a man who routinely posts derogatory posts about "Sleepy Joe" bleating about the "sneering" of the BBC. Obviously it's OK when it is him who is doing it.....
 
20togo said:
Perhaps it better wrapping yourself in the Union flag than the Isis one which recidivist posted eh? Perhaps that was clearly acceptable to some on here.
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Very tetchy this morning. Thought you'd be pleased your team was out of Europe.

And name one person who supports ISIS. That's complete nonsense.
 
I saw this incident live, I believe she laughed because she was embarrassed about Charlie's clumsy Joke

I find them both annoying, nothing to do with their political views. I think sometimes they are fed questions from the production team and just ask them without thinking, even when they are a bit stupid. I believe other presenters use a bit of common sense and initiative.

I much prefer the Dan and Louise combination.
 
basilrobbie said:
There are none so blind..... etc.

I am enjoying the irony of a man who routinely posts derogatory posts about "Sleepy Joe" bleating about the "sneering" of the BBC. Obviously it's OK when it is him who is doing it.....
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You're the master of sneering Robbie. You've been doing it on here for years. You love to look down on people with your condescending patronising remarks.,
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Please can you point out to me where I have knocked our country (or flag)?
And also can you point out why I am 'another woke' whatever that means?
I can hold an opinion that is different to yours and still be proud of my country.
The thing is, I wouldn't question your patriotism because I am tolerant which is another of our great values.
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You stated that in your opinion that we weren't a nation of flag wavers. I replied stating that I think we are.I believe waving a flag is showing pride in your country, Clearly you don't. You state we don't like nationalism. Why do you say that? Is it because that's your view, so if you don't like it, it suggests to me you have no pride. But hey, you want to be negative about our country and I want to be positive.
 
Wiz criticising our national flag waving and pride in our country when no doubt he has some responsibility for the Yorkshire seasiders flag and his pride in that and all other things tangerine. You really couldn't make up your double standards and hypocrisy when it suits.
 
20togo said:
You stated that in your opinion that we weren't a nation of flag wavers. I replied stating that I think we are.I believe waving a flag is showing pride in your country, Clearly you don't. You state we don't like nationalism. Why do you say that? Is it because that's your view, so if you don't like it, it suggests to me you have no pride. But hey, you want to be negative about our country and I want to be positive.
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Yes but I am proud of my country and I also think that waving a flag is a futile, child-like gesture that is likely to antagonise other people. These two views are not incompatible. You seem to think that if you are not a nationalist you cannot be proud of your country and this is clearly not true. I dislike nationalism of all types whether it be Mussolini, Hitler, Sturgeon, Trump, Erdogan or Johnson. It is always a bad thing in my opinion because the 'pride' of your own country quickly morphs into a dislike and sometimes hatred of other countries and cultures. One of the great things about the UK that I am proud of is that we have never gone in for this sort of extremism, until now that is.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Yes but I am proud of my country and I also think that waving a flag is a futile, child-like gesture that is likely to antagonise other people. These two views are not incompatible. You seem to think that if you are not a nationalist you cannot be proud of your country and this is clearly not true. I dislike nationalism of all types whether it be Mussolini, Hitler, Sturgeon, Trump, Erdogan or Johnson. It is always a bad thing in my opinion because the 'pride' of your own country quickly morphs into a dislike and sometimes hatred of other countries and cultures. One of the great things about the UK that I am proud of is that we have never gone in for this sort of extremism, until now that is.
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You call displaying or waving a flag extremism?
 
It isn’t the BBC sneering. It’s the attitudes of individuals within the bbc that they aren’t prepared to put aside to go about their jobs properly. They just can’t resist having an opinion and signalling it in that knowing we’re all lefties here kind of way. And the few who are right leaning tend to take it too far to try to demonstrate balance.

The BBC (if it is to remain a public service) needs to somehow rid itself of personality journalists and presenters and hire balanced and measured journalists who keep to scripts without knowing asides on air and personal likes on social media.

after having been against all arguments that the BBC should be defunded, I think it has simply become so big it needs to be dismantled and those that want to pay for its content whichever way it leans can then do so.
 
clappers said:
It isn’t the BBC sneering. It’s the attitudes of individuals within the bbc that they aren’t prepared to put aside to go about their jobs properly. They just can’t resist having an opinion and signalling it in that knowing we’re all lefties here kind of way. And the few who are right leaning tend to take it too far to try to demonstrate balance.

The BBC (if it is to remain a public service) needs to somehow rid itself of personality journalists and presenters and hire balanced and measured journalists who keep to scripts without knowing asides on air and personal likes on social media.

after having been against all arguments that the BBC should be defunded, I think it has simply become so big it needs to be dismantled and those that want to pay for its content whichever way it leans can then do so.
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How about some rural shots of the Cotswolds while the computer voice from Fitter Happier reads out only good news?
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
I just think patriotism is a lot different to nationalism. For instance, I class waving a flag, for example for the England football team as patriotism, not necessarily nationalism. Nationalism can be dangerous as I think you've previously said.
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I think it was John Le Carre who made the point that the difference is Nationalism needs an enemy. Patriotism doesn’t.
 
clappers said:
Or maybe just privatising it and then the BBC can do whatever they want?
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It might be an idea if only to get right and left wingers from constantly bloody whinging about it's perceived bias.

Take this thread for example, a completely innocuous joke snowballs in to the lunacy of paranoid and ironically biased theories about the organisation after people believe what they want to believe on Twitter. It's already been explained that the clip is out of context but the pile on continues, 'la la la la la, didn't hear the context, it was on Twitter like innit'.

The BBC can never win because a proportion of the population are ** obtuse idiots.
 
That's the problem these days, people get all worked up and precious (possibly red faced, veins bulging, I won't say all gammony as it upsets a few) over a photo or short clip that hasn't got any context barring the sentence by the person who's posted it, heavily laced with their agenda.
 
I've said it many times, but the fact that the BBC gets it in the neck from both ends of the political spectrum tells me that it is broadly where I would like it to be. We only tend to hear from the frothy right wingers on here when the subject comes up ; but Twitter is awash with people from the other wing of politics who think Laura Kuessenberg is a Tory sleeper and the Beeb an apologist for Tory misrule. I'd say both are full of shit, personally.

It's a bit like the patriotism v nationalism debate, isn't it? You can be critical of the BBC, and acknowledge the failings that it has (and it has a number), but at the same time acknowledge that it stands for something quite extraordinary. I'm very proud of the fact that there are huge swathes of the world who appreciate it as being a beacon of truth and objectivity that they feel they can rely upon. It makes the lack of appreciation for it at home all the more shameful, really. But we aren't very self-aware these days - are we?
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
I just think patriotism is a lot different to nationalism. For instance, I class waving a flag, for example for the England football team as patriotism, not necessarily nationalism. Nationalism can be dangerous as I think you've previously said.
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Children waving Union Flags when Royals pass by don't do it in the same spirit as grown men at EDL marches.
 
Totally blown out of all proportion! Just a light hearted bit of banter from Charlie. A lot of people simply can't take a joke anymore.
Wouldn't be surprised if that snivelling little git, Jenrick, had'nt formally complained to the BBC.
 
Wizaard said:
Luckily you'll be able to get your fill of Piers Morgan wrapped in a Union Jack with Andrew Neil any day now.

Did anyone actually see the interview or have they just leapt on the twitter bandwagon, or should that be panzer?

Anyway, it's good to know that you consider the liberal side of politics to be elite. That's something. Know your place.
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Haha I’m wondering how you feel when your found to be on the wrong side of the argument permanently these days. Brexit, election night, Corbyn, the list of loses just keeps piling up.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
A little strange that you see it all as winning and losing.
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Not at all, life’s a competition isn’t it. Brexit was a vote, the highest vote won, the lowest lost, Election night, one party won, the other lost, corbyn, well we will just leave that one there. I find it strange that you don’t see it as winning and losing, what would you call it ?
 
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