£20 additional charge for a physical card..

TimperleyTangerine said:
I used my phone last year and on one occasion my card. Both took the same amount of time.

Perhaps I’m missing something, but the technology already installed isn’t going to be replaced. On that basis there is nothing to be retained. We will always need the dual entry options that already exist, because of paper tickets. This is not about embracing new technology, because it’s already installed and has been in use. I believe it’s more to do with stopping fans sharing cards.
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Nice 100X3 TT mostly thanks to Last Word Mary (formerly known as BFCx3) 🧐🤗
 
Most of us oldies will look at the prices, get our card for £20, shrug our shoulders and say, "Ah-well, we're ending-up paying the same price for Third Division football, but I guess that's inflation for you."
🧡UTMP🧡
 
Curryman said:
The Boomer generation, yes we were very fortunate to be brought up with rationing of food and clothing following WW2. We were lucky enough to understand the concepts, long forgotten, about keeping rubbish in our pockets to take home, recycling bottles and giving up our seats to ladies etc. Seeing an 8 inch television in Black and White for the first time in the early fifties, suffering from cold in the winters due to there being no central heating, Ice on the windows in the morning, coal fires only in one room. One pair of shoes and darned socks, sewn up tears in trousers and jackets, walking and running to school, no we didn't have a car until much later, Iron lungs for the unfortunate sufferers of Polio, smallpox still about, scarlet fever and various other long forgotten complaints, starting Infants school and being rapped on the knuckles with a ruler if misbehaving, hearing your Dad wanting to earn £15 per week. Yes houses were cheap in those days, but relative to the wages being paid. No phones, only the posh people had them. Going to Junior school and having a head master with a cane, which was used. Gym wear for girls was their skirts tucked into their knickers, lads had short pants until their teens. school parades every morning to ensure kids were tidy. So the Grammar School all teachers had canes which were used regularly, Peaked hats had to be worn with the uniform at all times outside the school. So to work, £3-10/00d (£3.50) starting wage for a 48 hour a week job. 6 days at work 1 day at college in our own time and the rest of the day to ourselves. I could carry on in my case to working 7 days a week as a manager up to 16 hours a day in the early 1970's for a magnificent wage of £40.00 per week, no pension fund, and yes we did have a Mortgage at a high interest rate from memory, but were helped by our parents as we do for our kids.

We have been lucky to date that there have been no major wars, but life was hard at times whatever the younger generation think we didn't do. So when decrying our generation BFCx3 and all the other know alls' think how you would cope without your internet, your smart TV, your car or multi cars in some cases, your mobile phone your smart watch, your central heating, your double glazing, your take aways etc etc.

As I do not live on this board , as some seem to do, particularly when supposedly working, please do not expect an immediate response from me if you disagree with anything I have said. Oh! and I wouldn't have changed my up bringing for the world, Two wonderful parents and an excellent learning curve.

Carpe Diem.
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Blimey curryman. You had it easy 😂😂
 
Curryman said:
The Boomer generation, yes we were very fortunate to be brought up with rationing of food and clothing following WW2. We were lucky enough to understand the concepts, long forgotten, about keeping rubbish in our pockets to take home, recycling bottles and giving up our seats to ladies etc. Seeing an 8 inch television in Black and White for the first time in the early fifties, suffering from cold in the winters due to there being no central heating, Ice on the windows in the morning, coal fires only in one room. One pair of shoes and darned socks, sewn up tears in trousers and jackets, walking and running to school, no we didn't have a car until much later, Iron lungs for the unfortunate sufferers of Polio, smallpox still about, scarlet fever and various other long forgotten complaints, starting Infants school and being rapped on the knuckles with a ruler if misbehaving, hearing your Dad wanting to earn £15 per week. Yes houses were cheap in those days, but relative to the wages being paid. No phones, only the posh people had them. Going to Junior school and having a head master with a cane, which was used. Gym wear for girls was their skirts tucked into their knickers, lads had short pants until their teens. school parades every morning to ensure kids were tidy. So the Grammar School all teachers had canes which were used regularly, Peaked hats had to be worn with the uniform at all times outside the school. So to work, £3-10/00d (£3.50) starting wage for a 48 hour a week job. 6 days at work 1 day at college in our own time and the rest of the day to ourselves. I could carry on in my case to working 7 days a week as a manager up to 16 hours a day in the early 1970's for a magnificent wage of £40.00 per week, no pension fund, and yes we did have a Mortgage at a high interest rate from memory, but were helped by our parents as we do for our kids.

We have been lucky to date that there have been no major wars, but life was hard at times whatever the younger generation think we didn't do. So when decrying our generation BFCx3 and all the other know alls' think how you would cope without your internet, your smart TV, your car or multi cars in some cases, your mobile phone your smart watch, your central heating, your double glazing, your take aways etc etc.

As I do not live on this board , as some seem to do, particularly when supposedly working, please do not expect an immediate response from me if you disagree with anything I have said. Oh! and I wouldn't have changed my up bringing for the world, Two wonderful parents and an excellent learning curve.

Carpe Diem.
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Yes mate, hell that brings back memories, spot on with every sentence.
 
So...can anyone confirm yet, if last year's plastic season ticket card will work next year if renewing for the season? Same seat etc...
 
Apparently not I renewed last Friday and was told they are not mailing the cards out, which makes it even more difficult for those that don't live in the Fylde. They have to be collected!
 
I went in on Monday renewed, they issued a receipt and an email saying my new digital card will be emailed at some point in the future?..
 
Seasider1 said:
I went in on Monday renewed, they issued a receipt and an email saying my new digital card will be emailed at some point in the future?..
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Then when you get the email out put in your Wallet on your phone.
If you don't have the tech/ know how you use it or want to pass your ST to family and friends it's back to the club at some point pay £20 and get a new plastic card.
 
In the vast majority of cases, not being 'tech savvy' is a choice. I agree that there should be an alternative for those that are disabled and physically unable to use technology, but in most cases if you're not familiar with how to use modern technology it's because you're too stubborn to learn which is no one else's fault but your own.

It's frustrating because if those people just took the small amount of time needed to learn they would find life a lot easier and more convenient. The world isn't going to stop modernising just because you refuse to learn so just suck it up.
 
South shore lad said:
In the vast majority of cases, not being 'tech savvy' is a choice. I agree that there should be an alternative for those that are disabled and physically unable to use technology, but in most cases if you're not familiar with how to use modern technology it's because you're too stubborn to learn which is no one else's fault but your own.

It's frustrating because if those people just took the small amount of time needed to learn they would find life a lot easier and more convenient. The world isn't going to stop modernising just because you refuse to learn so just suck it up.
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Well put, totally reasonable and not condescending at all.
 
I think the bit that's obviously to stop you passing on your season ticket is sad. The seats been paid for and in most cases its because a person can't go. Why then is it more beneficial to have the seat empty rather than someone sat in it supporting the team? I got to my first game in 1971 as a kid against Man Utd , last game of the season because my dad's mate couldn't go and so I used his season ticket. Just passing that ticket on to one more person might encourage them to go in the future sometime .
I'm loathe to criticise Simon Sadler but it just seems with this , the membership scheme last season and higher end ticket prices that he's lost sight of a few things. Remember that story he told about getting up early and walking the prom and seeing hotel workers starting shifts and what a hard working class town it was? I know there's balance to running the club and I respect that but it's the little things and those can be big things to some people.
 
So how about people who can't afford a smartphone or simply don't want or need one?
Most likely people who have to forgo luxuries like that just to be able to buy a season ticket.

Older people who don't do tech are another group

I am old and tech-savvy but I don't have a lot of spare cash and if I didn't have a smartphone then having to buy one for this or that £20 would be a lot of money.

South shore lad said:
but in most cases if you're not familiar with how to use modern technology it's because you're too stubborn to learn which is no one else's fault but your own.
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What is the cost going to be for the club for those who won't or cannot use new technology and so won't buy a season ticket? That will be £369 for every ticket not bought which could amount to a large figure and empty seats. Going down a division was hard enough and quite a few around me debating if they would renew their tickets and to add a £20 onto it might make a difference. Personally being an OAP I would just prefer to flash my ticket but it will cost me an extra £20 to do it. I will just probably use my phone.
 
My main issue with this is that I don’t have much confidence in the club getting the whole system working properly . Last season I set up the card on my android phone as directed for the south stand , and each week it promptly expired . Gave up and started using my physical card again .
 
Seasidestevo71 said:
Not read the thread, will our old cards work ?
Renewing next week.
What if your phone dies before the game?
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Existing cards won't work. They're upgrading the readers, so they'll look the same but have better more reliable more secure technology behind them.
New cards aren't available yet, and I suspect there's some activity behind the scenes about pricing/availability/exemptions etc.
 
PNENIL said:
I think the bit that's obviously to stop you passing on your season ticket is sad. The seats been paid for and in most cases its because a person can't go. Why then is it more beneficial to have the seat empty rather than someone sat in it supporting the team? I got to my first game in 1971 as a kid against Man Utd , last game of the season because my dad's mate couldn't go and so I used his season ticket. Just passing that ticket on to one more person might encourage them to go in the future sometime .
I'm loathe to criticise Simon Sadler but it just seems with this , the membership scheme last season and higher end ticket prices that he's lost sight of a few things. Remember that story he told about getting up early and walking the prom and seeing hotel workers starting shifts and what a hard working class town it was? I know there's balance to running the club and I respect that but it's the little things and those can be big things to some people.
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Agree with this - I pass on when I, or one of my lads can't go.

Filling that seat, them buying a pie / pint, and then maybe getting the bug to come back is a win / win surely.

Even taking it to the nth degree, presumably those sharing tickets, does it really matter, we're not exactly a full stadium.

Very short sighted.
 
The other thing is it might put people off getting a season ticket altogether. If say for instance you can't make night games or have to work one Saturday a month but know there's someone else who will take the ST and pay you something towards it then its a deal breaker and makes your season ticket a bit cheaper and worth it.
 
I take it the new digital season ticket will be a qr code. If I can't attend a fixture will I not be able to take a screenshot and send it to a mate or family member for them to use it?..
 
Seasider1 said:
I take it the new digital season ticket will be a qr code. If I can't attend a fixture will I not be able to take a screenshot and send it to a mate or family member for them to use it?..
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No it works in your wallet like a credit card which you 💯 can't send a screenshot to a friend.
Just pay the £20 for a card and you'll be able to use both.
 
Did BST (or anyone else) discuss this with the club on behalf of the fans ? If so does anyone know what was said please?
 
Hooleys said:
Did BST (or anyone else) discuss this with the club on behalf of the fans ? If so does anyone know what was said please?
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Which fans would you want them to discuss it on behalf of?

Those who are pro the new system (and the £20 charge for those still using plastic cards) or those who oppose it?
 
The clubs moving with the times BUT they’re still making allowances for those that can’t. Yes they’re charging for those allowances but it’s an added service so it’s probably justified.

I appreciate people don’t like change and feel hard done by but this really depends on how you want to frame the argument.

Personally don’t see a problem with it. Even though I 100% am going to have to set this up on my dads phone, teach him how to use it and remind him at pretty much every game.

In a few years this will be completely normal and cards will look as daft to future supporters as paper books look to kids now.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Which fans would you want them to discuss it on behalf of?

Those who are pro the new system (and the £20 charge for those still using plastic cards) or those who oppose it?
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It was just a simple question that’s all.

From what I’ve read and who I’ve spoken to so far you’re the only one or one of the minority who agree with it 😜

In answer to your question, the fan base as a whole.
There’s nothing wrong with questioning a decision if you don’t agree with it, sometimes you can accept that you’ve made an unpopular decision and reverse it.
Sometimes we just have to suck it up, which is what I’ll probably have to do before the end of the month.

It seems to me that we’ve been relegated and most would think you get to pay a reduced price season ticket, but now it’s with a catch.

You agree with it, I don’t (like many others), it’s just an opinion.

My phone occasionally runs out on a match day so I will now have to take a battery pack (probably confiscated if searched) with me or buy a card.
 
I'm not a ST holder and haven't been for a long time. The cost of attending sufficient games to warrant one is beyond what i can afford when factoring in train tickets etc. The cost of a match is much more than the match ticket cost. So i select games, approx one a month, and watch the rest on TTV. I always pay the tenner. TTV has been a godsend cos i can now see every game, live or 24 hours later. I sometimes use a VPN to watch TTV games live.

I think the £20 card thing is not really worth so much debate. In the grand scheme of things it's bugger all. A tiny fraction. And i assume it allows you to let a mate use your seat if you cant go.

Football is expensive. So is everything else. My lads think £26 for a match ticket is fine. They don't have my memory of paying 2s 6d on the turnstile. They use Uber Eats and other things that horrify the living fuck out of me. Old heads don't keep up with the relentless rise of prices. My doesn't at least.

I was out for a pint with my eldest son and a couple of his mates last week and those mates were going to Wembley and Istanbul with a gang of lads that grew up.together, to watch City's treble attempt, as ST holders. They were ridiculously excited. I told my son i felt guilty for denying him all that with his pals and he told me to "shut up dad, I wouldn't want it any other way. But no offence dad, i just wish i had a group of Blackpool mates to go to games and share it with, I'd go more often." Which i totally understood! And i realised i love him more than my other son who mainly follows his local team, United, now! Choices have consequences....
 
I may have missed this earlier in the post, apologies if so.

Last season I had a physical card, and so as a shift worker this meant I could pass it to my brother or one of the lads I go with so it wasn’t wasted.

How will this work with a digital card? Am I able to send somebody an email so they can download my card for that game? Or is it a case of, if you don’t attend, it’s lost?

Pay for the card would be the only way if so, but counter productive surely!
 
Pay the £20 and every time you give the card to someone else to use ask them for a fiver.
 
Hooleys said:
It was just a simple question that’s all.

From what I’ve read and who I’ve spoken to so far you’re the only one or one of the minority who agree with it 😜

In answer to your question, the fan base as a whole.
There’s nothing wrong with questioning a decision if you don’t agree with it, sometimes you can accept that you’ve made an unpopular decision and reverse it.
Sometimes we just have to suck it up, which is what I’ll probably have to do before the end of the month.

It seems to me that we’ve been relegated and most would think you get to pay a reduced price season ticket, but now it’s with a catch.

You agree with it, I don’t (like many others), it’s just an opinion.

My phone occasionally runs out on a match day so I will now have to take a battery pack (probably confiscated if searched) with me or buy a card.
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The fact is that most people aren't remotely arsed about it... There's just a small minority of fans who like to just moan and grumble about anything and everything (most of them post on here). People who agree with stuff or aren't bothered by it, generally aren't particularly motivated to get involved in this typical kind of AVFTT 'moan-fest' and just let the Victor Meldrews of the World crack on with it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The fact is that most people aren't remotely arsed about it... There's just a small minority of fans who like to just moan and grumble about anything and everything (most of them post on here). People who agree with stuff or aren't bothered by it, generally aren't particularly motivated to get involved in this typical kind of AVFTT 'moan-fest' and just let the Victor Meldrews of the World crack on with it.
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Every person I’ve spoken to about it doesn’t agree with it, just because they haven’t stated it on here, doesn’t mean they are on your side they’ve just accepted it.
I only wanted to know if it had been discussed not an argument or debate 😜
 
Parky1953 said:
I may have missed this earlier in the post, apologies if so.

Last season I had a physical card, and so as a shift worker this meant I could pass it to my brother or one of the lads I go with so it wasn’t wasted.

How will this work with a digital card? Am I able to send somebody an email so they can download my card for that game? Or is it a case of, if you don’t attend, it’s lost?

Pay for the card would be the only way if so, but counter productive surely!
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No- there lies the biggest problem with the digital card it works like a debit/credit card in your wallet and you can't pass it on or even print it out as back up like you can for a concert/flight ticket etc.

So £20 it is.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Which fans would you want them to discuss it on behalf of?

Those who are pro the new system (and the £20 charge for those still using plastic cards) or those who oppose it?
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BST don't need to have a position on it as such. They just need to say to the club that a number of their members have raised the point. Which is what they should be doing.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The fact is that most people aren't remotely arsed about it... There's just a small minority of fans who like to just moan and grumble about anything and everything (most of them post on here). People who agree with stuff or aren't bothered by it, generally aren't particularly motivated to get involved in this typical kind of AVFTT 'moan-fest' and just let the Victor Meldrews of the World crack on with it.
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How do you know most people aren't remotely arsed about it contrary Mary?
 
Hooleys said:
Every person I’ve spoken to about it doesn’t agree with it, just because they haven’t stated it on here, doesn’t mean they are on your side they’ve just accepted it.
I only wanted to know if it had been discussed not an argument or debate 😜
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They’re most likely just going along with you to keep the peace. People tend to do that with moaners… I generally agree with people with extreme political views in the pub, just to shit them up for half an hour.👍

Maybe try not to think of these things as ‘sides’… Doing that tends to encourage a sense of ‘competition’… next thing the ego takes over and you start thinking you need to win. From my experience, you need to invest way too much time trying to win and it rarely happens (and even when it does, the loser will probably pretend that it hasn’t)

I know what you are saying you wanted… Though, had you ‘really’ wanted that, then a private email to the BST secretary could have achieved that aim 😂👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
They’re most likely just going along with you to keep the peace. People tend to do that with moaners… I generally agree with people with extreme political views in the pub, just to shit them up for half an hour.👍

Maybe try not to think of these things as ‘sides’… Doing that tends to encourage a sense of ‘competition’… next thing the ego takes over and you start thinking you need to win. From my experience, you need to invest way too much time trying to win and it rarely happens (and even when it does, the loser will probably pretend that it hasn’t)

I know what you are saying you wanted… Though, had you ‘really’ wanted that, then a private email to the BST secretary could have achieved that aim 😂👍
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Contrary Mary tying himself in knots again. A previous post #340 clearly refers to asking which side BST should be taking. The answer is clearly none, they should just be raising the issue on behalf of some of it's members who have raised concerns.
 
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