Abu Dhabi GP

Bend it like Suddick said:
Really, why?

Hamilton was deservedly in the lead, and under 'normal' circumstances how on earth would Verstappen had been able to make up 11 seconds in one lap.

Were not talking one race, were talking about the culmination of a season of races and a World Champion decider. The rules should have been adhered to as per letter, not on the whim of a relatively inexperienced individual who by general consensus fecked up.
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Plus Red Bull benefitted from previous inconsistencies over park ferme, where Hamilton was penalised much more severely than Verstappen.
 
Fargo99 said:
Irrespective of what went on it was a brilliant overtaking manoeuvre Verstappen pulled off to pass Hamilton on that final lap though he seems to be getting little credit for it because he shouldn't have been there.
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Bollux he had new soft tyres and Hamiltons tyres were shot. Any racing driver could easily have overtaken under those circumstances
 
I think F1 has lost it's tenuous right to be called a sport. if there are no rules, it is entertainment.

Maybe F1 should worry about Mercedes walking away
 
Fargo99 said:
Irrespective of what went on it was a brilliant overtaking manoeuvre Verstappen pulled off to pass Hamilton on that final lap though he seems to be getting little credit for it because he shouldn't have been there.
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Clearly don't watch F1 much or understand the tyres used. It's the equivalent of me saying I brilliantly beat Usain Bolt in my news trainers over 100 metres, whilst he wore ones made from blocks of ice which were undercoated with grease.
All about the grip.
 
SeaSeaSeasiders said:
After 15 years of following the sport, I don't think I'll bother next year.
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I've been watching it far longer than that and yesterday felt like the day F1 died as a sport and essentially became 'entertainment' with a manufactured ending for Netflix.

As entertainment goes, it's not great, so the idea of watching FP's1,2 & 3 then Quali/Sprint and the Race has gone.

Assuming an appeal is unsuccessful, I hope LH and Mercedes win it next year; but I just don't think I'll be following in the same way I always have.

And that's a shame.
 
Fargo99 said:
Irrespective of what went on it was a brilliant overtaking manoeuvre Verstappen pulled off to pass Hamilton on that final lap though he seems to be getting little credit for it because he shouldn't have been there.
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Max had brand new soft compound tyres. Lewis had hard compound tyres that were 34 laps old. Total no contest mate. Lewis had no chance.
 
SeasideKurt said:
And then he would have overtaken Max on the last lap and none of this crying would be taking place. He had tyres that were 45 laps old. He even said it was stupid they didn't bring him in. New softs >>>>>>>>>>>extremely old Hards.
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Man u really have no idea Kurt. Why post if you have so little understanding of what unfolded.
 
LA-KINGS said:
Man u really have no idea Kurt. Why post if you have so little understanding of what unfolded.
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I have every idea, which looks like almost every single F1 driver is agreement with me. Majority of pundits.

Casual fans/Hamilton fans are the only ones complaining.

Perfectly legit race ending.
 
LA-KINGS said:
Man u really have no idea Kurt. Why post if you have so little understanding of what unfolded.
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Also, Lewis Hamilton must have no idea because he was telling his team on the radio he should have come into the pits.

So it's me and Lewis Hamilton that have no idea :)
 
SeasideKurt said:
I have every idea, which looks like almost every single F1 driver is agreement with me. Majority of pundits.

Casual fans/Hamilton fans are the only ones complaining.

Perfectly legit race ending.
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Aye ok, you've not read what each driver has said or indeed pundits if you think they all agree and if you think that was 'perfectly legit' racing, you've clearly no idea on F1, the rules, or what is fair racing. You could be the next race director with those qualifications. 👍
 
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Keep saying it, this isn't about the drivers, it's about the stewards, Masi's contravention of the rules and protocol and the FIA.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I have every idea, which looks like almost every single F1 driver is agreement with me. Majority of pundits.

Casual fans/Hamilton fans are the only ones complaining.

Perfectly legit race ending.
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Still not engaging with any of the points raised. Only coming in to say that you're better than others 😴 No point engaging with your points, if anything is longer than a sentence you'll cry it's too long.
 
BWseasider said:
Still not engaging with any of the points raised. Only coming in to say that you're better than others 😴 No point engaging with these points, if anything is longer than a sentance you'll cry it's too long.
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It's not only points he doesn't want to address, they are cast iron facts as well.
 
Fargo99 said:
Irrespective of what went on it was a brilliant overtaking manoeuvre Verstappen pulled off to pass Hamilton on that final lap though he seems to be getting little credit for it because he shouldn't have been there.
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I won’t give Verstappen any credit for the overtake. Bit like a car overtaking an electric scooter. Pretty inevitable given the state of Hamilton’s worn tyres.
I’ve seen plenty of comments in media saying the “right man won.”
Horseshoîte.
It was a borderline ‘fix’ and tbh stinks out the F1 world reputation.
There will be numerous changes as a consequence of this race I’m sure, so this kind of result manipulation won’t be seen again. No pits under safety car. Yellow flag / red flag rules revised. Etc
 
tangerine_neil said:
I won’t give Verstappen any credit for the overtake. Bit like a car overtaking an electric scooter. Pretty inevitable given the state of Hamilton’s worn tyres.
I’ve seen plenty of comments in media saying the “right man won.”
Horseshoîte.
It was a borderline ‘fix’ and tbh stinks out the F1 world reputation.
There will be numerous changes as a consequence of this race I’m sure, so this kind of result manipulation won’t be seen again. No pits under safety car. Yellow flag / red flag rules revised. Etc
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any changes made will in effect be a hindsight acknowledgement of how they fucked up. A guy with an 11 second lead with four laps to go was basically stripped of his title by the shambolic decisions made by the director of racing acting on behalf of the FIA.
 
20togo said:
any changes made will in effect be an acknowledgement of how they fucked up. A guy with an 11 second lead with four laps to go was basically stripped of his title by the shambolic decisions made by the director of racing acting on behalf of the FIA.
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Yep, and as I said earlier, in a sport of fine margins where tenths of seconds time gains are worked hard for each lap, it is a farce that that can be wiped out, regardless of the last race, it's something that's needed changing for a while.
 
Regardless, it's done now, Red Bull and Verstappen know it's tainted (through no fault of their own really) and Hamilton's dignity and sportsmanship after the event has seen his reputation increase massively with those who doubted him before.
 
For the people who believe it's all a fix, are you saying the crash which which resulted in the safety car being deployed was manipulated? Without the crash there would not have been any situation for the race director to decide upon.
 
Blackpool-rocks said:
For the people who believe it's all a fix, are you saying the crash which which resulted in the safety car being deployed was manipulated? Without the crash there would not have been any situation for the race director to decide upon.
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A fix is probably going a bit far, a rushed and botched disregarding of the rules to try and create an artificial end to a race by someone who doesn't appear to know what they're doing and certainly lacks the authority to handle the team principals is probably nearer.

(Although Latifi was battling Mick Schumacher when he crashed who's Dad's record of WCs would have been beaten by Hamilton, the mystery deepens!)
 
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It was fixed by Lord Lucan who was astride Shergar behind a grassy knoll.Henri Paul was driving the car that caused the crash as contrary to reports he did not perish in the tunnel in Paris in 1997.
 
The crying on here because Lewis flipping Hamilton didn't win is hilarious.

"F1 is dead" - err no it's not
"I've watched F1 for 75 years. I'll never watch F1 again" - yes you will

IF it had been the other way round this thread would have been "well done Lewis" and "best driver won" blah blah blah. And I guarantee the decision would not have been criticised. It would be "well max is a dirty driver so he got what he deserved".

Some people saying it's a hollow victory for Max. Well if you are painted as the pantomime villain by Lewis Hamilton fans then it's the absolute BEST way to win. Mwah ha ha ha suckers! (evil laugh)

Lewis lost. Time to get over it.
 
Macseasider said:
The crying on here because Lewis flipping Hamilton didn't win is hilarious.

"F1 is dead" - err no it's not
"I've watched F1 for 75 years. I'll never watch F1 again" - yes you will

IF it had been the other way round this thread would have been "well done Lewis" and "best driver won" blah blah blah. And I guarantee the decision would not have been criticised. It would be "well max is a dirty driver so he got what he deserved".

Some people saying it's a hollow victory for Max. Well if you are painted as the pantomime villain by Lewis Hamilton fans then it's the absolute BEST way to win. Mwah ha ha ha suckers! (evil laugh)

Lewis lost. Time to get over it.
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That's it Mac, completely disregard why people are annoyed and the reasoned arguments for it, not to mention the farcical FIA and race director, regardless of who won. 👍
 
Macseasider said:
The crying on here because Lewis flipping Hamilton didn't win is hilarious.

"F1 is dead" - err no it's not
"I've watched F1 for 75 years. I'll never watch F1 again" - yes you will

IF it had been the other way round this thread would have been "well done Lewis" and "best driver won" blah blah blah. And I guarantee the decision would not have been criticised. It would be "well max is a dirty driver so he got what he deserved".

Some people saying it's a hollow victory for Max. Well if you are painted as the pantomime villain by Lewis Hamilton fans then it's the absolute BEST way to win. Mwah ha ha ha suckers! (evil laugh)

Lewis lost. Time to get over it.
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yep, not the first and won't be the last time you talk a load of bollox.
Once again, you offer nothing factually to dispute any of the factually evidence provided.
Have many people actually said it's all about Hamilton? Not really. Has anyone criticised Verstappen for what happened in the final lap? No not really.
All the criticism is aimed at the director of racing and the stewards for failing to follow the protocol and rules which have been used in the circumstances where a safety car is deployed.
You don't address those criticisms because you have nothing to put up against it.
 
Blackpool-rocks said:
For the people who believe it's all a fix, are you saying the crash which which resulted in the safety car being deployed was manipulated? Without the crash there would not have been any situation for the race director to decide upon.
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It wasn't a fix, I don't even think that they favour one driver or team over the other particularly. They've been dying to see a winner takes all race in Abu Dhabi for years, they finally got it only to reach a point where it was all over with several laps to go. The crash gave them an opportunity to manufacture a spectacle on the last lap but only if they disregarded the rules. They chose to, and gained entertainment at the expense of integrity. People can laugh it up as LH fans whinging etc. but it's just not what I want to see. Integrity gives you the rightful winner, whoever that is.

Take football. We complain about VAR but IFAB decided to bring it in because to them, getting decisions right according to the laws is paramount. And they've brought it in at the expense of the spectacle in some ways. It slows the game down, and the execution hasn't been good, but the aim is admirable.

The bottom line is I want to watch sports that strive to apply the rules fairly to find who's truly the best, rather than to decide when to apply them depending on whether it's good entertainment.
 
Macseasider said:
The crying on here because Lewis flipping Hamilton didn't win is hilarious.

"F1 is dead" - err no it's not
"I've watched F1 for 75 years. I'll never watch F1 again" - yes you will

IF it had been the other way round this thread would have been "well done Lewis" and "best driver won" blah blah blah. And I guarantee the decision would not have been criticised. It would be "well max is a dirty driver so he got what he deserved".

Some people saying it's a hollow victory for Max. Well if you are painted as the pantomime villain by Lewis Hamilton fans then it's the absolute BEST way to win. Mwah ha ha ha suckers! (evil laugh)

Lewis lost. Time to get over it.
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Best tell the other F1 drivers as well then Mac who massively disagree with it, what a shit post.
 
Macseasider said:
The crying on here because Lewis flipping Hamilton didn't win is hilarious.

"F1 is dead" - err no it's not
"I've watched F1 for 75 years. I'll never watch F1 again" - yes you will

IF it had been the other way round this thread would have been "well done Lewis" and "best driver won" blah blah blah. And I guarantee the decision would not have been criticised. It would be "well max is a dirty driver so he got what he deserved".

Some people saying it's a hollow victory for Max. Well if you are painted as the pantomime villain by Lewis Hamilton fans then it's the absolute BEST way to win. Mwah ha ha ha suckers! (evil laugh)

Lewis lost. Time to get over it.
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What a Whopper of a post…..
 
I’m out of touch with F1 but did watch on Sunday. I can’t understand why when the safety car is out that the laps aren’t suspended and everybody slows down to 40 or so and no overtaking etc. As soon as safety car leaves the cars are allowed 1 slowish lap and then as soon as reaching the start line race continues as before until the end. That way would seem fairer.
 
BFC_53 said:
It wasn't a fix, I don't even think that they favour one driver or team over the other particularly. They've been dying to see a winner takes all race in Abu Dhabi for years, they finally got it only to reach a point where it was all over with several laps to go. The crash gave them an opportunity to manufacture a spectacle on the last lap but only if they disregarded the rules. They chose to, and gained entertainment at the expense of integrity. People can laugh it up as LH fans whinging etc. but it's just not what I want to see. Integrity gives you the rightful winner, whoever that is.

Take football. We complain about VAR but IFAB decided to bring it in because to them, getting decisions right according to the laws is paramount. And they've brought it in at the expense of the spectacle in some ways. It slows the game down, and the execution hasn't been good, but the aim is admirable.

The bottom line is I want to watch sports that strive to apply the rules fairly to find who's truly the best, rather than to decide when to apply them depending on whether it's good entertainment.
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premierdream2010 said:
I’m out of touch with F1 but did watch on Sunday. I can’t understand why when the safety car is out that the laps aren’t suspended and everybody slows down to 40 or so and no overtaking etc. As soon as safety car leaves the cars are allowed 1 slowish lap and then as soon as reaching the start line race continues as before until the end. That way would seem fairer.
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That will be because of fuel they have on board. They've barely enough to get thru the no of laps involved and since cars were bursting into flames at re-fuelling during the race it's rightly no longer allowed.
 
Let’s be honest it’s prob the most exciting F1 has seemed since Murray walker retired..MW enthusiasm always made it seem more exciting than it ever was in reality…fact😎🎣
 
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