Blackpool v Charlton Official Matchnight Thread 20.10.20

20togo said:
Is he missing an experienced no 2 who will speak his mind rather than a nodding dog? It seems to me we need some-one on the sideline who is capable of seeing what's going on, what changes the opposition are making and getting a re-action to those changes. We play pretty much the same way for ninety minutes.
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I think we need a manager who is in charge with Critchley as the coach, like Thommo was.
 
Kip said:
So the only positive from that is that Ballard is an obvious starter and Husband can never play in the centre again. I thought Mitchell got his confidence back second half after a torrid first.
Williams back to pre-Crewe I'm afraid and we're losing the confidence to keep the ball which, at the moment, is our only real strength. We never looked like scoring and looked completely shot at the end.
I would like to see Critchley maybe change the shape on Saturday. Mitchell needs help and if that means a four in midfield then so be it.
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4-4-2 Orthodox - we need points fast!
 
I saw little to enthuse about tonight except for Ballard. Someone mentioned Turton played well. Take a look at their goal and Turton is half asleep ball watching rather than taking up a proper defensive position. I see no cohesion, I see no understanding. I see no pattern of play but I do see - predictability. This is the first time I have passed comment after a game but tonight was shocking.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Has SS been blindsided by those around him? Grayson was an obvious choice for all the right reasons had it been 5 years ago but he was broken. He then goes all modern and goes for the new fangled head coach rather than manager, a PL thing, has he forgotten that we are a league 1 side who was in a pit of despair off the pitch and not much better on it. Is he trying to be too clever when it comes to managers or too naieve or a bit of both? He is a true supporter and has taken the club and transformed it from the bottom up and he will continue to do so. However he has absolutely no experience of owning a club or how to get a decent manager and players. We would all love to be in his position and we would all have done it better. If I was him I would have got Ollie back instead of Grayson and I would have got Evatt instead of Critchley. That's just me, It could have been a disaster we will never know and all of you would have done it differently if you were in the same position.

I truly hope tat NC will turn this round in the weeks to come but if he doesn't Sadler will have funded a completely new team that a new manager would have to take on and that manager may not want a majority of them, then where do we go? It's still very early days and I still believe it will come good but you can't help but worry if it doesn't.
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Clearly, under Critchley it won't come good. If he stays we will be relegated.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I think we need a manager who is in charge with Critchley as the coach, like Thommo was....
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mmmm,,,get what you say but that ain't gonna happen and nor should it at the moment. That's why I say an experienced no 2. He needs to find answers to the many problems that's for sure.
 
We've got problems for sure & I can't see where goals are coming from, the crossing is awful Lubala & Yates don't seem able to get a sniff. Madine is so slow I wondered if he was wearing wellies. Perhaps play the young Gabriel as a right winger & Hamilton in the middle with another. Positives for me tonight were Williams who did enough to break things up & win 50 50s & pass to our players, Ballard looks an improvement, Turton who I thought was a weak link last season looks at least a solid pro, now whether that's an improvement or just the standard of some who have been brought in I'm not sure. It's bad enough watching on ifollow but this is getting tedious. I'll try reverse psychology in my prediction for Saturday 0-1 to Mk Dons 🙄
 
20togo said:
mmmm,,,get what you say but that ain't gonna happen and nor should it at the moment. That's why I say an experienced no 2. He needs to find answers to the many problems that's for sure.
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I didn't think it before tonight, but 2 or 3 more results like that and I think Puma might be right. I don't agree with it, but I can see it happening. It's all been a complete mess on the football side of things since SS took over, or just as bad as it had been. I don't think any of us expected that particularly SS himself.
 
There`s none so blind as them that cannot see and it`s been clear on here for some time that those wearing their tangerine specs can see bugger all. It`s not about optimism or pessimism it`s about facing up to reality rather than deluding yourselves about what you want to be happening rather than what is actually happening on the pitch.

It`s a really good example of some football fans inability to make balanced judgements especially when their own team is involved.
 
everything thrown out after 58 seconds and thought the team coped really well in the first against 11. Charlton did really little. Working the ball out to CJ after the first booking was a very good tactical move, but saying that it has been our main outlet so far. second half Charlton were the better team but it could have gone either way.

the goal was well worked by them but the defence had been pulled out of position-
Ballard looks good, and epki is getting better.

Is that husbands fourth red card for pool? Mitchell is not a left back, and he seems to have lost whatever spark he had going forward.
Front line doesnt look as though we are going to score, we cant get balls into the box and threaten the keeper, we just dont get enough bodies in the box.

CJ as much as he is our major threat playing on the right the full backs if they have any nous push him to the touchline, but playing on the left doesnt have a cross in him.

For the players we have the formation looks all wrong. we had a bit ore balance against crew but today when it was 10 v 10 our passing and pace should have been a big advantage.

Ballard looks a good un. epki looks a lot more comfortable than previously, with the viking you have the basis of a very good back three. Pace strength and power. The viking looks as though he can pick a pass from the videos of him.

Im still not convinced by Williams, for a defensive midfielder he shirks away from a awful lot of challenges. Madine at the moment is palying like a poor mans Gnandulet, I was never a big fan of Gnands but i cant see how Madine makes the links between the midfield and getting onto the box, he spends way too much time on the edge of the box drawn very narrow to the ball.
set pieces are atrocious, not once this season have we put a defence under pressure from a set-piece.

its all very worrying,
despite being thrashed by ipswich i didnt think they were a better side just better in front of goal, if we had a single player taking chances i think there might be a very different picture now.
trying to stay positive. time for another martini
 
Every week we collectively hope that the opposition don't score. Simply because we can't seem to get anything goalbound ourselves.
Yates is a League 2 striker.
Lubala isn't even that.
Does Sarkic exist?
Kaikai is on continual sick leave
Madine can't do this alone
and Critchley hasn't got a plan b, c, .....z.
 
What we’ve got now is pretty much it for the season. I think that’s what will do for NC and his time at Blackpool, because he’s been supported more than any manager I can remember. The end of last season, well the games he had, were pretty poor. He’s changed almost the entire squad and we are no better.

We all want him to turn this around, but even the most optimistic of us are losing hope. If we don’t beat MK will he be gone?
 
Need to stop playing in the U-23's stylee and adapt very quickly to the rough and tumble of League One.
Young Ballard will have a few bumps and bruises from his encounters with Charlton's front line. Thought he did well, one of the minority trying to gee the players up. Still not enough leadership on the pitch though.
 
20togo said:
Is he missing an experienced no 2 who will speak his mind rather than a nodding dog? It seems to me we need some-one on the sideline who is capable of seeing what's going on, what changes the opposition are making and getting a re-action to those changes. We play pretty much the same way for ninety minutes.
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Needed that back in summer. So XXXXXX obvious.

As Carole King might have penned: It's too late.....

Don't think a good No 2 can pull this around now. Sadly.
 
Should you wish to relive the match or read what I though Kenny Dougall would look like when I first heard his name, you can do so here:

Not as good as Scrafton's report but less pop up ads and more swearing. So it's all a balance. Unlike our formation with 10 men.

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Pegs, holes and 2 man midfields: the Mighty vs the Addicks

Charlton feel odd to me in so much that no matter where they are in the league, I feel like they should be somewhere else. They seem far too...
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NC needs to select his strongest squad now. No trying to be clever, saying things like “he isn’t used to playing on grass.” We’ve got the making of a decent defence now - IF he picks them from the start! Time for a change of keeper. Try that ex United lad. Can’t do any worse, even with an injury, hopping on one foot.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
Ballard looks a good un. epki looks a lot more comfortable than previously, with the viking you have the basis of a very good back three. Pace strength and power. The viking looks as though he can pick a pass from the videos of him
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Exactly what I have been saying since we signed them...he needs to get that 3 in place for the next game to hide our defensive frailties and allow the full backs some leeway to bomb forward. Please dont tell me they need breaking in slowly as we now just dont have the time. We have to get a settled back 3 and stabilise things NOW
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Exactly what I have been saying since we signed them...he needs to get that 3 in place for the next game to hide our defensive frailties and allow the full backs some leeway to bomb forward. Please dont tell me they need breaking in slowly as we now just dont have the time. We have to get a settled back 3 and stabilise things NOW
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If he breaks them in too slowly he could be out of a job by Bonfire Night. Hope & dreams up in smoke, etc
 
td53 said:
Cheers boss.

I don't think it's the players individually. It's the blend and the rigidity of it all. Again, we didn't rotate the forwards. They just locked Hamilton down second half and we just let them do it.
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That's the unfuriating bit. We can see that the opposition have re-acted to Hamiltons pace and they are not the first team to do it. Yet we change nothing. That's why he needs some-one with experience alongside him.
 
20togo said:
That's the unfuriating bit. We can see that the opposition have re-acted to Hamiltons pace and they are not the first team to do it. Yet we change nothing. That's why he needs some-one with experience alongside him.
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I can see it! I'll do it. That's what's frustrating, I can see it, you can see it. Does it need spelling out? Surely he can see how Bowyer tweaked things, like Coleman, Lambert, Appleton and Lowe have all done?

The commentary said he was screaming at them to 'try harder' - I dunno, I'd feel like telling him to 'try something' if I was playing.

He's obviously not thick. He's either stubborn or he's just so wedded to coaching a particular style he genuinely can't see the point in any other.
 
tangerine_neil said:
NC needs to select his strongest squad now. No trying to be clever, saying things like “he isn’t used to playing on grass.” We’ve got the making of a decent defence now - IF he picks them from the start! Time for a change of keeper. Try that ex United lad. Can’t do any worse, even with an injury, hopping on one foot.
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Pick them too quickly and they go down with cramp on 60 minutes or pull a muscle taking a throw in...
 
HetzkeBlaster said:
Interesting view from you tonight BP, as when you commented on my thread last week after the Ipswich game about NC not being up to other L1 managers nouse/tactics you said, and I quote you, “absolute drivel” 😉, so what’s changed your mind?
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Yeah remember that post his changed his tune lols🤔😂
I thought you were right and I haven't changed my mind 😊
 
HetzkeBlaster said:
Interesting view from you tonight BP, as when you commented on my thread last week after the Ipswich game about NC not being up to other L1 managers nouse/tactics you said, and I quote you, “absolute drivel” 😉, so what’s changed your mind?
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He also said I was “pompous” for pointing out exactly the same as he’s just posted this past weekend.

bless him he can’t keep up.
 
20togo said:
mmmm,,,get what you say but that ain't gonna happen and nor should it at the moment. That's why I say an experienced no 2. He needs to find answers to the many problems that's for sure.
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Phil pointed out on the podcast tonight, correctly I think, that this will never happen. When the CEO calls you to say you need experienced help it's game over. NC's pride would never allow for that I would guess.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
There`s none so blind as them that cannot see and it`s been clear on here for some time that those wearing their tangerine specs can see bugger all. It`s not about optimism or pessimism it`s about facing up to reality rather than deluding yourselves about what you want to be happening rather than what is actually happening on the pitch.

It`s a really good example of some football fans inability to make balanced judgements especially when their own team is involved.
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Post of the night.

It's impossible to have a debate when all you hear is "long term project", "time to bed in", "fans have no patience", "I hate our supporters".

It's been Groundhog Day since the start. And it's actually gone backwards.

There isn't a single spark from goalkeeper through the middle to centre forward that would give any sensible minded person any reason to think other than this is an U23's project that has failed both on and off the pitch. And that's no criticism to the players . They are just way out of their depth without full on leadership.

Sadler needs to fold his cards (if NC doesn't want to do the hourable thing), get a grizzled old head in to work with these talented young men, get rid of a few in January, get a few grizzled old pros in in January and just try to stay in the league we are in.

I think we have some real talent in the squad. There is just no edge or plan. And that comes from weak leadership.

Patience is a virtue indeed. But he who hesitates is lost.
 
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Macseasider said:
Post of the night.

It's impossible to have a debate when all you hear is "long term project", "time to bed in", "fans have no patience", "I hate our supporters".

It's been Groundhog Day since the start. And it's actually gone backwards.

There isn't a single spark from goalkeeper through the middle to centre forward that would give any sensible minded person any reason to think other than this is an U23's project that has failed both on and off the pitch. And that's no criticism to the players . They are just way out of their depth without full on leadership.

Sadler needs to fold his cards (if NC doesn't want to do the hourable thing), get a grizzled old head in to work with these talented young men, get rid of a few in January, get a few grizzled old pros in in January and just try to stay in the league we are in.

I think we have some real talent in the squad. There is just no edge or plan. And that comes from weak leadership.

Patience is a virtue indeed. But he who hesitates is lost.
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As much as I hate to say it, it's becoming more and more difficult to disagree when there is no visible improvement.
 
The team looks weak and insipid, no aggression or pace, everything looks stilted and ponderous going forward, shaky and vulnerable at the back.

I can't see a game plan and the set pieces are terrible.

Grayson was lazy and uninterested, Critchley looks out of his depth, assuming the current manager can't turn it around i hope it's 3rd time lucky for Mansford and Simon Sadler.
 
It’s a shame for Sadler because he’s in this for a lot of his own money and clearly loves the club etc but NC just happens to have been a bad appt. I shouldn’t think he will leave it too much longer without acting.
 
gjr69 said:
I can't see a game plan and the set pieces are terrible.
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I think that's where I'm at presently.
BTW - looks like new AVFTT is flying - nearly 700 posts on this thread and 30k views - can't remember the old site matchday threads racking up that number (although most would have been at the game!).
 
"If Critchley decides to stubbornly stick with a blind belief that this group of players can play to the standard required for this perfect tactical ideal, then he will be out of the door before xmas"

Sean Mcginlay dissects last night's defeat in our latest blog.

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I tend to think he will end up having to go, but there are still players to come in that could possibly salvage the situation.
To lose a player at the start of last night’s game makes it hard to judge him on last night, which was obviously a pivotal game for him (unless you judge him on playing Husband at CB of course). Several games have been undermined for him in the first few minutes already.
Charlton only had to play half the time with ten that we did, and we obviously tired.
All that said I think we are all most worried that he is not learning, and not trying different things and responding to what is happening on the pitch, and to our quality of strikers and the low number of shots and chances.
I think David Dunn would have been a cheaper and less stressful option for all of us.
 
I did post on here when Yates first signed for us that his record at League One or above was 47 appearances with 2 goals. All of those appearances were at Rotherham.We can now add 7 appearances at Blackpool with zero goals so overall at league one or above 54 appearances with 2 goals .

It may not be surprising that there are questions being asked about his striking capabilities and the wisdom of spending the money on him following the ill advised money spent on Nuttall.

Is SS beginning to wonder how good is the advice he is being given to him by his professional advisers on the way his money is being spent and also perhaps how good is his choice of advisers? I wonder if Rotherham think cashing in was a very shrewd decision?
 
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